First encounter – Program or Be Programmed, book links to amazon:
Find him many places – perhaps start here:
book links to amazon
present shock notes..
so many resonating thoughts/ideas…
The fractal is less threatening when its shapes are coming from the inside out.
Jerry seemed content to attend for attendance’ sake.
For Michalski, the “self” is defined by connections. TheBrain isn’t about him, but about everyone else he has met
As of today, Jerry has over 173,000 thoughts in his brain file, and 315,000 links between them, all created manually.23
It’s amazing what creative people can come up with when there’s nobody there telling them what to do.”
The fractal is the beautiful, reassuring face of this otherwise terrifying beast of instantaneous feedback. It allows us to see the patterns underlying the seeming chaos, the cycles within the screechy collapsed feedback of our everything-all-at-once world
Fractals are really just a way of making sense of that screech. Deep inside that screech is the equivalent of one of those cyclical, seemingly repetitive Philip Glass orchestral compositions. We just don’t have the faculties to hear i
after talking about nipping things in the bud.. [again – the starfish]:
there is no bud. Just pollen. Everywhere.
In a networked ideascape, the ownership of an idea becomes as quaint and indefensible a notion as copyright or patents. Since ideas are built on the logic of others, there is no way to trace their independent origins. It’s all just access to the shared consciousness. Everything is everything.
Nothing’s personal—except maybe the devices through which we connect with the network. New ideas seem to emerge from a dozen places at once, a mysterious zeitgeist synchronicity until we realize that they are all aspects of the same idea, emerging from a single network of minds
Steven Johnson would remind us, ideas don’t generally emerge from individuals, but from groups, or what he calls “liquid networks.”1 The coffeehouses of eighteenth-century London
There is no time for an artist or scene to develop unless those involved take extreme measures to isolate themselves and avoid being noticed
the beauty of a flow-based economy is that it favors those who actively create value
Yes and no,” I replied, breaking the binary conventions of digital choice making
Digital time ignores nearly every feature of kairos, but in doing so may offer us the opportunity to recognize kairos by its very absence
Chronos can be represented by a number; kairos must be experienced and interpreted by a human.
Kairos is perfect timing relative to what’s going on, where chronos is the numerical description of what happens to be on the clock right then.
while digital technology can serve to disconnect us from the cycles that have traditionally orchestrated our activities, they can also serve to bring us back into sync
Seeing this previously hidden information gives us new access to natural rhythms and the ability to either adjust them or adjust ourselves and our lives to their warning signals.
Or better than simply following along, technologies can sync to us and generate greater coherence for all of us in the process
Everything is recorded, yet almost none of it feels truly accessible.
The time it took to open a file drawer was recorded down to the hundredth of a second, in order to determine the standard time required to complete any job. Once that was known, the efficiency of any particular worker could be measured against it
In a scheduled world, you are told you have half an hour to peruse an exhibit at the museum; in a programmed world, you are strapped into the ride at Disneyland and conveyed through the experience at a predetermined pace.
Facebook is not the Internet. It’s just one website, and it comes with a price.
agreed.. but the same is true about everywhere no? the same happens on twitter, no?
Likewise, elementary school boards adopt “laptop” curriculums less because they believe that they’ll teach better than because they fear their students will miss out on something if they don’t. We feel proud that we’re willing to do or spend whatever it takes to use this stuff—with little regard to how it actually impacts our lives. Who has time to think about it, anyway?
Rushkoff, Douglas; Leland Purvis (2010-11-01). Program or Be Programmed (Kindle Locations 158-161). OR Books. Kindle Edition.
We do not know how to program our computers, nor do we care. We spend much more time and energy trying to figure out how to use them to program one another instead. And this is potentially a grave mistake.
Rushkoff, Douglas; Leland Purvis (2010-11-01). Program or Be Programmed (Kindle Locations 193-195). OR Books. Kindle Edition.
Most of the smart folks who could help us are too busy consulting to corporations—teaching them how to maintain their faltering monopolies. Who has time to consider much else, and who is going to pay for it?
Rushkoff, Douglas; Leland Purvis (2010-11-01). Program or Be Programmed (Kindle Locations 217-218). OR Books. Kindle Edition.
program or be programmed
great review of douglas rushkoff’s book
my fav quotes from Venessa:
- If we agree to categorize ourselves based on the choices available, we become more predictable, our potential for exposure to novelty narrows, and we conveniently transform into statistics for consumer research and targeted advertising.
- In some instances, all this tagging and categorization based on preferences is valued for the personalization it gives us and assistance in decision making. But, we should be aware that there is a point where a trade-off is being made, and we begin to voluntarily limit our perspectives and ability for growth.
[reminds me of Kevin Kelly’s what tech wants.. minimize what we do, but keep the options limitless]
- No amount of reading or theorizing can replace prototyping, testing, and experiential learning and knowledge building.
- In fact, it seems the closer you are to the actual creation of value, the further you get from the money.
- In essence, we’re all marketing to each other instead of just doing the thing we’re advocating.
- by approaching the digital experience with the understanding that nothing is really off the record, we can shape our online identities by being willing to own the words we say.
- As Rushkoff put it, “The history of the Internet can probably best be understood as a social medium repeatedly shaking off attempts to turn it into something else.”
- Like Buckminster Fuller said: You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.
also from danah boyd
the 2011 horizons report
wondering in the critical challenges if we flipped – went bottom up for importance. specifically, organizing, tagging/coding video documentation, esp conversation. (humanity 4.0 – all about convo)
Michael Wesch‘s 2011 rethinking ed:
1 min – Douglas Rushkoff et al- that’s not just – we’re getting another renaissance
4 min – if you’ve got enough links… you don’t need the hierarchy anymore..
the invention of the corporation..
our commitment to debt based system..
it’s good for when aliens attack..
not good when we want to inhabit reality..
we need to use our heads.
occupy – not just riling up against the now.. fighting an unlevel playing field that has been building up for years..
don’t let anything too particular define it
maintain cohesion without centrality..
now occupy your town.
Douglas is evangelist for codeacademy:
Douglas Rushkoff, PhD. (Digital Literacy Advocate), is a new media theorist and activist dedicated to promoting digital fluency around the world. His books include Program or Be Programmed, Present Shock, Life Inc, and Media Virus, and his PBS documentaries include Merchants of Cool, The Persuaders and Digital Nation. He also played keyboards for PsychicTV.
Ed Snowden is a hero because he realized that our very humanity was being compromised by the blind implementation of machines in the name of making us safe. Unlike those around him, who were too absorbed in their task to reflect on their actions and pause in their pursuit of digital omniscience, Snowden allowed himself to be “disturbed” by what he was doing. More in the midst of technology than most of us will ever be, Snowden disengaged for long enough to be human, and to consider the impact of what he was helping to build. He pressed pause.
17 min – maybe there’s not health care, but there’s healthier people…
26 min – let’s not re-ify the system
32 – how do we scaffold so that this can grow in a sustainable way.. because the shouting doesn’t work
1:07 – exactly nicco – create one that makes the original go away.. one that doesn’t even talking about voting.. congressmen..
1:16 – max interaction w/min coercion –
how about no coercion.. ?
1:19 – diversity… (nicco)
city as ecosystem
1:20 – security..
does security matter if transparency occurs as thunderclap
1:25 – tools.. (anna)
what if it’s our personal fabrication.. that makes it possible/useful any/every second
1:27 – collaboration to be easier (ben)
again – if the conversations are part of your being.. talking as data, app & collab space
1:31 – peer to peer
in the city
meet your neighbors..
big does go to small.. govt becomes neighborhood gatherings.. conversations/doing/being becomes your vote.
generation like (2014 53:04):
are we all asking the wrong questions..
the social currency of this generation – likes.. instant gratification
for kids today – you are what you like
6 min – hunger games – teens forced by adults to battle each other as a form of public entertainment – being a fan isn’t so different. on their website.. kids can compete on twitter to be best fan
it’s really cool – them noticing you.. because other kids notice.. and then they like you too – empowerment
7 min – there’s no one there (online) saying – you can’t say that
9 min – getting people to be all about something is big business.. biggest transformation in communicating with consumers..
11 min – now a huge corp push to collect as much data as possible… who interacts with who.. who likes what.. where the currency of likes.. turns into actual money
12 min – instagram: 1 bill; twitter: 30 billion; facebook: 140 billion; prices based on volume of likes they can generate
to get kids involved: do it – by giving kids a chance to be a part of the game… ie: photos part of promotions
16 min – there’s no point in not wanting all of us to rise together..
17 min – new type of company – the audience – run social media in behalf of musicians/actors/etc – to build/leverage a social network
19 min – merging the fan bases – then funded by major brands – everybody seems to be getting what they want…
21 min – soon – all those little likes turn into youtube gold – a walking billboard for sponsors
24 min – views rise as videos gets racier (even though his passion is skateboarding)
26 min – ways to get seen more? do crazy stuff.
seth – money isn’t the only currency.. suddenly your arm doesn’t hurt -because you know you’re famous
how much fame is enough…
28 min – oliver’s company is running the show (not so much the talent of the person) – the audience – in the end.. selling the audience.. and the audience is you
obvious and transparent.. or simply invisible…
customer as marketer… get the audience to sell the product for them… embeds trust, ie: adding captions.. comments.. shares.. contests
34 min – may be catching fire… but dowsed with gasoline beforehand.. barnes – nytimes – yeah – nothing is left to chance.. totally timed out.. the goal is to create a brush fire... every bit of it is being manipulated… studios worry that once you realize there’s a man behind the screen – it’ll be over
38 min – base shows (music video) in afternoon – on convos on twitter…
kids come up with content… then help to promote it back to themselves… and selling stuff for companies all along…
companies hoping for brand loyalty
41 min – my plan for the future is world domination.. but by my own rules
selling out isn’t selling out anymore if you get the gold ring
42 min – not sure young people even know what selling out means
so not so good if we keep focusing on consumerism.. money as success..
has tyler won the game of likes..? is this it? can kids really win when they don’t make the rules
teens are creating this.. and there’s this giant underclass that like like like
44 min – founder of kiip – turn every moment into your life into a gaming opportunity – rewards from corps.. no mention of ads… we say – rewards… serendipity by design… becoming mast manipulators of games themselves
46 min – to get sponsors – you have to get people to like you..
but ultimately kids are out there alone
49 min – the whole world can watch as your numbers rise or fall
mom saying of her daughter – if i have a full body picture.. she gets more likes…
bad – selling out authenticity to gain a like/attachment.. empty success ness.. whether with money or not..
but it’s cool the way it’s helping people to become expert at something they love.. 53:47 ness
can kids really win when they don’t make the rules – douglas
getting likes does feel good – at least in the moment – douglas
post on Douglas’s site:
This is media studies for Occupiers.
via thought maybe site – digital nation – (2010, 1:21:34):
3 min – Sherry Turkle – been teaching at mit for 30 yrs – pressure on teaching – coming up with things that will distract them (kids) from the web
4 min – not that they’re dumb.. they’re just not paying attention.. they’re drinking the kool aid..
or – perhaps – they can now see beyond the classroom
6 min – Clifford Nass at stanford – mri’s studying multi tasking… in general the brain can’t do 2 things at once.. so experimented with youth that seemed to be doing 5-6 things at once… testing how fast they can switch between tasks w/o losing focus… found that even though they think they are good – they are slower, disorganized
wrong question.. no?
9 min – Turkle – the point is to be our best creative selves… not to distract ourselves… at the end of the day – after multi tasking – i feel i haven’t thought deeply about anything
10 min – Douglas – maybe we’re changing what it means to be a human being – when using all this stuff
how a young person chooses to use their time.. will have an effect on their brain
11 min – brain on google – Gary Small
12 min – bigger is not necessarily better.. looking at brain scans.. this was a call for reach research – Douglas
13 min – research can’t keep up with it, ie: getting grants/permission to do research..
14 min – on addiction
s korea – legendary internet cafes – kids sometimes stay overnight to play games… better than doing homework… a few people have actually died in these cafes…
again – an addiction
but because we’re realizing how empty, ie: compulsory school is, no? it’s not the net.. it’s the absence of that first 7 hrs of the day.. filled with supposed to‘s – so this is escapism..
18 min – mom wishing games didn’t exist… i think if i can’t control my son right now.. i’m losing him..
so what are the kids thinking… what do they wish didn’t exist…
so kid sent to a camp – internet addiction
20 min – treatment seemed like it was meant to capture a childhood lost to the computer
oh my. how about childhood lost to school. computer was just an escape.. can’t we listen to that…?
21 min – Douglas talking his book cyberia – when he was convinced web could help us change in good ways… i felt like i was in on a secret… over the past 20 years… the net has changed from what it does.. to being on it all the time
korean govt -taking a stand – elementary – taught to use computer right away – but also how to use them in a healthy way
24 min – watching my kids.. how did they figure this out..?
26 min – Steven Maher – teacher using tech – helped me see my kids might need a diff ed than me
Jason Levy – principal – took over school in 2004 – vision – have all kids with laptops.. tech is like oxygen… violence down, attendance up… scores up
something is working here… but is there a catch to this..
30 min – oppenheimer – author – the flickering mind – my concern is their short attention spans
sometimes.. teacher bores us – so we go online – monitor kids on laptop
wait – no question about that..? turning into different humans? oh my.
32 min – but what about kids at mit and experiments at stanford… is there a pt of diminishing return
student: if there were 47 hrs in a day i’d read hamlet – but there’s not
33 min – book – the dumbest generation – mark bauerline – we want them to grow up and blow us away – with literacies, reading/writing skills, knowledge about history/art, their civic activity.. but we just don’t see it..
he claims writing skills are suffering too..
while our skills of surveillance are getting better. ha.
Nass – changes of way kids write… less of a notion of big idea carried through..
unless they’re approaching the limit of life.. that most of us don’t get. 24/7 ness. and we can’t keep them in our box.. so we’re calling them dumb…. calling it bad… dangerous. (while yes.. it’s dangerous that we have this tech/net but still forced to live in boxes – science of people in schools ness)
35 min – so of course kids are agreeing.. they know they have to … still in the box
36 min – Marc Prensky – confusing best/old ways to do things once with best ways doing things forever… it’s not that they shouldn’t express (verbs) the nouns they use (essay, ) that’s what changes … i don’t know that the book is the best way in the 21st cent
37 min – when print came into being – one thing we lost was memory – is it a loss? sure. but that’s the price of gain.. Jim Gee
38 min – Henry Jenkins… when asked – do you struggle with distraction – i don’t know anyone on the planet who doesn’t struggle with distraction – but this is not a new issue… we are seeing a period of evolution.. and we’re better as a society if we’re open to this as an exploration
39 min – stories gathering on frontline digital nation site
40 min – great story… 83 yr old lady and grandson have hit cooking show – i have to say that the internet added years to bubby’s life
42 min – there’s something missing that they have to pour their heart out to me..
43 min – world of warcraft… getting you into the screen
44 min – Katie Salen – elements of games… this immersive world.. have a hard problem to work on – and other people to work on it with
46 min – game conferences – have desire to connect.. meet face to face..
48 min – avg amount of time people play wofw – 10 hrs a week.. but many play more than that
49 min – tech (games) not isolating – but giving people a new way to be intimate
Philip Rosedale – creator of second life – to Philip – not a game – but a new reality
53 min – solving alienation tech has helped to create – with more technology
mechanism as placebo… has to be created that way.. can’t be dependent on it.. if freedom is our mission
55 min – ibm using it – to save money on travel meetings..
57 min – yeah – i still don’t get that
59 min – studying effects on brain with virtual vs real
1:01 – making Doug 10 inches taller – made his success of a deal better… then carried over into face to face (even though not 10 in taller)
swimming with whales experiment – the virtually swim with whales then later believe they really did
1:02 – working on stress in fighters, overtime – they are able to tone down their own levels of anxiety and stress
tech is rapped up in the story of war – military has been a driver for tech – also creates new dilemmas
ie: wage a war when one side is in real life and the other isn’t, ie: drones – war flight suits to remind themselves they’re fighting a real war
drones – precise – with no cost to american lives – pentagon is clamoring for more
1:05 – Noah Shachtman – wired editor – different attitude… when you’re dealing out risk but not accepting it – they do take a lot of care of civilian casualties.. but there’s no way of knowing..
1:10 – disconnect of being at war and at home…
1:11 – close recruiting centers – and opened army experience center
we have what young americans want and what they like.. recruiters know if they don’t (oblige) they’re not going to have the army men they’ll need for the next century.
1:13 – i came – played – and decided i had to do something more than the came – so i signed up and left w/in a couple weeks.
1:14 – i think most kids are smart enough to understand – diff between reality and game – in regard to war
but – earlier – kids are dumb..
1:15 – Katie – kids have the ability to move between digital and real – quest2learn – using gaming for entire curriculum. games get us an incredibly engaging learning experience…. if you can’t engage that kid in wanting to learn… you’ve got a real problem on your hand
1:17 – schools are one of the places in our society where you can have a convo without being distracted by machines.. we have to protect that – Oppenheimer – the flickering mind
? – has he been in school?
1:17 – maybe there’s something these kids are getting that we haven’t learned how to value yet
and that we won’t ever if we don’t free them… from the escapism et al aspect..
1:18 – Turkle – tech challenges us to figure out our values.. that’s hard to do.. it’d going to take time
1:19 – Doug – tech to find other people, to remake the world in their own terms…
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wished i would have seen this before contactcon.. maybe..
mar 2015 with Jason Silva:
Jason Silva and Douglas Rushkoff | Creative Session
4 min – adjacent possible no longer connected to the real… but rather.. let’s build this platform – the eyes of the prize is kind of counter balanced – when it’s not explored in the present – D
rather than app to transform the world – app to raise stocks – J
or even build second life instead of this life – D
6 min – i say humans matter because i’m on team human – D
7 min – problem with constructivism is that it’s great to plan.. but hard to remember that we have to keep testing it with reality – … as long as that dream/trip is brought back into reality – rather than a way to get out of reality.. – D
drug induced high or tech high – our desire to chase these states… to hack perception – don’t you think that’s an amazing opportunity to play.. J
sure.. but … while we’re chasing our highs… we’re supporting a tech structure that we’re not in control of.. – D
12 min – for me the best part of the trip is coming down.. waking up in the morning.. ie: now what.. (from all that) – D
after the trip – a reset of the self – J
groundhog day ness
the beauty of the coming down is you see the structures at face value.. – and can question that – D
when i came down – oh… we can do it this way – rather than build on structures that we had before. there are plenty of people to get you high as long as you don’t come down to question (paraphrase) – D
systemic ness – fractal ness
16 min – lower entry – but less who have made it than before – because they’re not selling the music – selling attention rather than music – D
18 min – awe – antidote to intellectual dispair – all these takeaways after blowing your own mind – more alturistic/compassionate/etc – J
20 min – i think D is talking placebo ness here
22 min – i’ve always envied people (like my mother) who find awe in everything.. then there’s those of us who have to induce it.. – J
23 min – awe videos as self-medication – J
24 min – the trick is to help people understand this isn’t reality but metaphorical ways of understanding reality.. we are like computers… memes are like genes… they’re just prone to the sort of m meade, g bateson abstracted understanding of reality as this kind of participatory mediated spectacle..
how can we upgrade our operating systems.. -J
the digital thing is so key.. the opposite of global/google.. for me digital is always the digits – local means of production… the whole local.. burning man, occupy, .. occupying reality… – D
27 min – you don’t have mental references for what you’re seeing.. so experience changes – subjectivity is transformed – on burning man – J
28 min – a p to p bizarre appeared – after the breaking of the piñata – with 8 yr old girls – D
how do you define creativity… what happens to brain.. J
29 min – when humans do what only humans can do.. the expression of the paradox.. the weirdness.. the ambiguity.. – D
liminality – the inbetweeness – J
33 min – can’t write a book that never ends..?
34 min – i think there’s something going on here that we don’t yet know about (not just complexity) – D – what if they’re wrong (big bang et al) – if we don’t understand the very basic building blocks of reality – i’m concerned about ditching reality for another one…
disneyland is like if the nazi’s had won and they weren’t evil.. but that’s not real – D
37 mi – it won’t matter if they’re real when you’re done – because when it’s over it will be real – J
i like it – i just don’t like it more than what i got. – D – you got to ask – what’s the purpose
38 min – the purpose is catharsis – J – spaces where we sort shit out
the world of the self can be a lonely place.. the reason we do inner work is so we can go out and engage with people. the practical concerns are so real – D
the practical concerns are being addressed… – J
40 min – i just want to make sure we don’t use these medicines.. the same way we use prosac – D
41 min – right now – my frame of mind is just my disappointment in bitcoin
43 mi n- q&a
44 min – maybe we’ll find out we’re not that unpredictable – J
45 min – i’m going to behave as if this is real (that perception matters and we have free will) – and as if they are the ones who haven’t figured things out – D
50 min – q: how can we afford the opportunity
a: i was lucky… i made 8-10000 yr and i was fine with that.. coming out as a slacker.. my idea was to not have to work.. that’s why i hear obama and think..jobs? jobs are artifacts of renaissance.. lentils and rice.. you can live a long time on that.. you can survive.. i did that for a good long time. i tutored kids on sat’s in beverly hills mansions.. i was lucky. i’m a child of privilege – i had a long way to go down.. even though my friends saw me as the poor kid. and then – not getting off the bus.. i’ve not worked for others. – D
55 min – for me i like steven johnson’s the world has a lot of clues and you can read your way through it. my parent’s encouraged me to find my bliss. george carlin – psycho cybernetics.. brain a goal seeking mechanism.. you can teach your brain what to look for. 1. notice what moves you. 2. write it down. 3. look at notes later. primes your brain to see serendipitous connections.. hacking your brain to pay attention. that’s kind of like what i’ve done. you have those patterns marked in your head. – J
1:00 having a kid – the slow of evolution have been staring me in the face all the time – oh my gosh those aboriginal people who we didn’t think knew much actually have what we need. – D
1:03 – you get your seat the table and you then are propaganda ist rather than journalist – so now what – D
a nother way. that.
1:06 – 95% of communication is non verbal – so what happens when you just text – D
i see – but – that is in a way biased to the communication style we are comfortable with.. maybe we’ll transcend words – J
face to face time should be face to face time.. -D
1:12 – q: wants there take on a systemic change in ed.. but then uses siloed success markers.. like graduating
a: education is due for a massive upgrade.. how we teach how we learn.. intro’ing crazy psycho tropes into the classroom – J – i was in montessori – big fan of sir ken – my mom also taught in the broncs.. so throw away what’s not working .. et al
so dang – why in the classroom? have you not experienced that in one of your trips..? what good is the high then. dang.
a: after my decade of awe – i said i’m going to the darkest places.. and test my awe – so i went to s africa.. et al .. to challenge and earn my awe by going dark. the only good trip is a bad trip. get as lost as i can and then come back. ed is one of those places. use digital tech to make them better in this (consumer) system. or we can say – use tech to ask – what’s education for.. right now.. what it’s for.. to create workers for factories.. now what is it for… depends on what we think the future of the economy is. if we think people only need to work 10% of the time… so then – ed is to embue people with critical thinking.. maybe ed is to develop people who will create the next ed system. – D
again – dang – why school? – why not just live the 10% time now.. or whatever. why aren’t we questioning school..
psfk may 2015
our app is playing us, ie: ted camera in the room more important than people in the room
we can not scale… this is us..
not about marrying your ideas to the existing market place… it’s challenging the market place itself..
nov 2015 – platform coop
if he spoke i missed it…
here it is:
trevor – now what – 1\ create a foundation that would bring together open source programmers to work on a kernel for labour platforms.. one project applied to apis with various purposes.. 2\ continue to work with civic hall and nurture this movement
nathan – 1\ federation linking disparate efforts.. starting on wed trying to think of how to create a platform coop ecosystem there.. in boulder..
3 min – doug starts
if i can just articulate for you.. to take back for arguments.. next book: throwing rocks at google bus.. coming out soon………. but i know the people on the bus.. ie: hg’s daughter… i was trying to figure out who we were supposed to be mad at.. each one of these people didn’t mean to be doing harm… who is the enemy.. but it was rather humanity itself against an operating system that’s gone out of control.. against an economy that’s optimized for growth and then put on a digital platform…
10 min – internet became poster child for long bomb…
evan williams .. 4.3 billion – represented the failure… name on 50 bill of debt.. no longer kid who provided us with tool to connect… but kid rewarded for bringing freakishly large thing to the faire.. now twitter is an abject failure by wallstreet..
that’s a problem.. not of the application.. but the requirement of the economy to grow..
.. this is a bankrupt model.. it doesn’t work…
14 min – it’s amplifying the features of this economic model – disaster exponentiated…
15 min – 1st main value of industrial age: remove humans from the equation
after crusades we had a beginning of a p2p econ… local currencies.. began to trade local.. days work went down.. great for everyone except aristocracy… so they sought growth for self..
16 min – mechanisms: corporatism and central currency designed to stamp out the p2 econ.. to slow transactions between people and get them paying up..
small business made illegal – ish… problem … independent shoemaker had to go get a job… instead of me creating shoes and selling them.. i had to go sell my time..
18 min – do i want to hire expensive highly skilled craftsman to make shoes.. or cheap/unskilled labor… industrial process mass production alienated worker from what they were creating
19 min – i wasn’t buying from friends anymore (from mass production) .. so had to invent mass marketing… then had to invent mass media…
20 min – problem w/currency.. nobody was making money on it. it was just a utility.. so operating system where have to pay back more than you got.. so …. had to have an economy that grows…
2 main biases… corp/currency – remove humans… digital.. brings them back
21 min – but what was dominate form…? continue de humanization of the market place..
22 min – person creating value replace by corporatism… winner takes all stakes of self-re enforcing leader boards.. an econ that really values tech for it’s ability to extract from econ.. rather than ability to relate w/each other…
23 min – on google hiring ray kurzweil.. who believes humans are only important for bringing on singularity…
humans.. we are now the content.. the data.. the medium… as you use the smart phone it gets smarter… that’s what’s being extracted… our money not worth as much as our data
24 min – everything comes down to advertising and marketing… if everything is supposed to be an ad…. who is left to advertise.. a snake that eats its tail… it worked in some sense right up until ww2… when eisenhower said.. we’re going to need another way to make this work.. tech.. tech will increase the surface area on human beings….and create a new territory.. human attention
25 min – walmart – a conqueror of territory… modern equiv of walmart – amazon and uber.. in order for them to work have to achieve absolute monopoly (now use platform/tech to enforce monopoly.. rather than law) … in order to hop over to another vertical.. ie: from books to whatever…
27 min – these guys say.. i’d love to switch but my shareholders are demanding growth…. same w/kids.. they leave college at soph’s and replace great leftist teachers with rightest vc’s as new mentors… they learn to pivot.. leaving thing you were going to help people and turning into a disposable company that gets an ipo and an exit.. not creative destruction.. destructive destruction.. go and destroy a marketplace..
28 min – these same techs could be use to disrupt those bad guys.. for their own good
central currency is the embedded operating system
30 min – corps are converting land and labor into capital… digital co’s are really just software created to do that…
what’s the alternative… instead of optimizing econ for growth…. optimize the economy for humans..
jobs jobs jobs…
who really wants a job…
food, shelter, sense of meaning…
a job is an artifact of a renaissance era scheme to prevent us from creating and exchanging value among ourselves..
we don’t want that..
we have to create a completely unnecessary industry… in order for you to have a job….
if there’s enough food to go around.. why not let people eat it.. if enough shelter to go around.. why not let people live in it..
stop looking at jobs.. stuff is way more important than jobs..
jon stewart mill – econ reached carrying capacity.. so then steady state econ… and start looking at circulation… ie: people don’t grow forever… ecosystem… these are not ecosystems because they destroy…
35 min – move from growth to flow… optimize velocity of currency
36 min – bitcoin – no longer requiring a central authority/bank… bank wasn’t there to authenticate but to extract… but have to ask when look at bitcoin.. what are they programming for… i keep hearing.. bitcoin substitutes for trust
38 min – in the end.. what we really have to reprogram is our social expectations of each other.. everyone wants to lend but not receive… we don’t like community obligation ness…
39 min – i want you all to pitch up some experiments … hybrid solutions… p2p…. what a bank could do to participate like-giving ness .. what walmart could do.. giving up one shelf..
? – why not as irrelevant.. ?
41 min – or bounded investing.. invest retirement money in projects that would hire steal workers.. and then actually live in them… teaching companies how to earn the same dollar five times..
teach start ups to take less money.. the less money you take.. less you have to take back
and of course.. moving from platform monopolies to platform coops… those on it own it.. so that facilitating exchange rather than extracting exchange
43 min – what if we are living in a full on renaissance… i believe we are..
what are our equiv’s: perspective vs hologram/fractal; circumnavigating globe vs took a pic and got climate; printing press vs computer/net; closing commons vs retrieving commons…
re birth old forms in a new context.. retrieves values that repressed last time out: p2p, community, land… for what? for empire..
we rebirth p2p culture… ie: burning man; etsy; as if retrieving medieval culture..
people that talk most coherently about this… catholics… distributism… distribute means of production to the people… subsidiarism.. businesses only grow as big as need to…. these values couldn’t be realized until we had a digital distributive econ
the sustainable creative capacity of digital distributism… the factors of production have always been land, labour, capital.. now … we reward capital.. but not land and labour.. our opportunity is to retrieve land and labour… money is not the only factor of production…
48 min – the beauty of coming together .. in the real world.. human beings have the home field advantage.. we don’t have that online…
opportunity as humans.. is to reboot econ itself for distributed prosperity.. one can do that one business.. one person at a time..
49 min – astra – notes on her page
then q&a back notes back on platform coop page
my strategy has been to expose the underlying operating system…. the underlying assumptions have to be opened up… this is there by design not by nature…
io dance ness
radical econ et al
douglas: people need to experience the benefit of mutual aid… it’s got to be built into the micromoments/decisions you make everyday
rev of everyday life ness
to 2016 edge question:
To be sure, science has brought some of this on itself, by refusing to admit the possibility of any essence to existence, and by too often aligning with corporate efforts to profit off discoveries with little concern for their long-term impact on human well-being.[..]We have evolved into the closest things to gods this world has ever known, yet a majority of us have yet to acknowledge the actual processes that got us to this point.[..]..if these abilities are seized upon as something other than the fruits of science, and if they are applied with utter disregard to the scientific context through which they were developed, I fear we will lack the humility required to employ them responsibly.
Although it may still sound like heresy today, Wiener realized that if we didn’t change the underlying operating system of our economy—the very nature and structure of employment and compensation—our technologies may not serve our economic prosperity as positively as we might hope.[..]
But as the peasants got wealthy exchanging goods and services, the aristocracy got relatively poorer. So they re-established control over the economy by outlawing market moneys and chartering monopolies with dominion over particular industries. So now, instead of making shoes himself, the local cobbler had to get a job at the officially chartered monopoly company. Thus what we think of as “employment” was born—less an opportunity than a restriction on creating value.
Instead of selling his shoes, the cobbler sold his hours—a form of indenture previously known only to slaves. Worse, his skills were not valued.
But today, growth has become an end in itself—the engine of the economy—and humans have come to be understood as impediments to its functioning. If only people and our idiosyncratic demands could be eliminated, business would be free to reduce costs, increase consumption, extract more value, and grow.
We must remember that employment may really just be an artifact of an old system—the reactionary move of a bunch of nobles who were afraid for people to create value for themselves.
Once we’re no longer conflating the idea of “work” with that of “employment,” we are free to create value in ways unrecognized by the current growth-based market economy.
Oh look @rushkoff is being awesome again. https://t.co/OXFeeRCfTN
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/Annemcx/status/698240098639466501
In the Throes of Change: An Interview With Douglas Rushkoff blog.p2pfoundation.net/throes-change-…
it’s the same old economy on digital steroids.
So the problem is that everyone is keen on creating new operating systems for one thing or another, but no one is questioning the bigger operating system on which all of this is occurring: capitalism.
My whole point is that the new renaissance is not a period of growth. We transcend the whole idea of growth (grow what? the economy? at whose expense? the planet’s?). And instead, we learn how to prosper in a more circulatory, “steady state” economy.
A renaissance means old, repressed ideas being reborn (re-naissance) in a new context. ……….. Today’s renaissance would retrieve the medieval values (not the lifestyle!) that were stamped out by the renaissance: crafts, peer-to-peer trading at the market, local value creation…even craft beers! Really, it’s no coincidence that the cultural expressions of the digital age – like Burning Man and etsy – share so many medieval qualities.
rocks at google bus interview.. feb 2016 – vision for a new, better world
In his new work he argues that, appearances to the contrary, today’s online colossi—think Facebook, Google, Apple, and the like—haven’t truly revolutionized our economy. Instead, they’ve reproduced the Industrial Age corporation at a global scale, with all the benefits of digital innovation. At heart, though, they’re still designed to extract value and to pursue growth above all else.
Digital technology was supposed to distribute this wealth to more people, not impoverish the many for the wealth of a few.
requirement for companies to grow really traces all the way back to the institution of interest-bearing currency, which requires that the economy grow in order for that interest to be paid back.
Today, the equivalent of those bankers are shareholders. They expect not just interest, but tremendous returns on their initial investments.
The CEOs of these companies read my articles about getting out of the growth trap, and they call me begging for the way out.
I do believe that networking technologies could enable much more distributed prosperity. The digital economy, so far, is just corporate industrialism on steroids: extract value from people and places. Digital companies are like software programmed to take currency out of circulation, and deliver it up to shareholders. They could just as easily—more easily, in fact—be optimized to promote the circulation of currency. Most simply stated, less like Amazon, more like eBay. It’s as simple as letting Uber drivers have shares in the company, proportionate to the amount of work they’ve done. And that would be pretty easy to calculate and authenticate with something like a blockchain. Networking technologies are biased toward more distributed solutions. That’s what they were originally built for.
? so operating system is still based on money..? still based on calculating/measuring transactions..?
Every town whose economy has been trashed by a corporation is another community about to learn that the only things you need for a thriving economy are people with skills and people with needs.
The moment we stop optimizing the digital economy for the growth of capital, and optimize it for the circulation of value between people, everything will start to get better really fast.
let’s do this first: free art-ists.
mar 2016 – why to rethink purpose of our econ
Media theorist Douglas Rushkoff’s new book offers insight into ‘digital industrialism,’ how humans have become invisible, and why the US needs to re-evaluate the goals of its current economic model.
“We have lost track of the purpose of our economy,” Rushkoff wrote.
According to Rushkoff, our never-ending appetite for economic “growth” has become unsustainable—and, a misguided end goal. Rushkoff sees us living in a period of “digital industrialism,” marked by a “disproportionate relationship between capital and value.” Web-based companies are creating platforms, but not necessarily value—at least, a value that can keep up with the venture capital backing they’ve received.
As a result, businesses are increasingly trying to monetize “likes” and big data, making people the end product, rather than creating value that consumers can use. The payoff comes not through a sustainable income, but when the platform is sold to a big spender—when Huffington Post was sold to AOL, for instance—creating artificial bubbles.
Rushkoff traces the current values of digital industrialism to an age where monarchs began shutting down bazaars, which had originated as places for townspeople to trade goods and crafts in a peer-to-peer networking fashion. Fearing that the lower classes would gain power, the aristocracy regained control. All along, the working class has been stripped of its power to create, which extended to the industrial age where workers became shuffled into factories, performing low-skill labor.
“This income disparity is not a fact of nature or an accident of capitalism,” he wrote, “but part of its central code,” he wrote.
“Joblessness may be a feature, not bug, of new economy,” he wrote.
Ironically, Rushkoff sees web-based peer-to-peer sharing platforms like Uber and Airbnb has eventually eliminating the human element. ….”Peer-to-peer is not a means of including people, but a prelude to getting rid of them,” Rushkoff wrote.
What he would like to see happen? “I think, rather than a simple revolution, we get a renaissance. A genuine rebirth of repressed ideas and mechanisms,” Rushkoff said.
“It’s different than a second machine age. It’s people getting their hands back into things and starting to value the human contribution over the mechanical contributions to things.”
Three experimental systems for making money about trust, not wealth theatlantic.com/business/archi…
Bitcoin was conceived as a modern solution to an ages-old problem: How can two parties agree on and verify an exchange of value?….But in important ways, Bitcoin transposes some of the shortcomings of traditional currency onto the digital realm. It ignores a whole host of questions about the potential to reimagine what money can be designed to emphasize: ……..how can money be less an extractor of value and more a utility for its exchange?
1\local currencies, .. Massachusetts BerkShare…The 5-percent local discount may seem like a huge disadvantage to take on—but only if businesses think of themselves as competing individuals. In the long term, the discount is more than compensated for by the fact that BerkShares can circulate only locally.
2\cooperative community currencies don’t need to be pegged to the dollar at all. …They are not purchased into existence but are worked into circulation. They are best thought of less like money than like exchanges,.. simplest form of cooperative currency is a favor bank, such as those founded in Greece and other parts of southern Europe during the Euro crisis..had no cash with which to trade. So they built simple, secure trading websites—mini-eBays—where people offered their goods and services to others in return for the goods and services they needed…“time dollars,” a currency system that keeps track of how many hours people contribute to one another. (larger communities) Again, a simple exchange is set up on a website, where people list what they need and what they can contribute. The bigger and more anonymous a community, the more security and verification is required… e Japanese recession gave rise to one of the most successful time exchanges yet, called Fureai Kippu, or “Caring Relationship Tickets.” People no longer had enough cash to pay for their parents’ or grandparents’ health-care services—but because they had moved far away from home to find jobs, they couldn’t take care of their relatives themselves either. The Fureai Kippu exchange gave people the ability to bank hours of eldercare by taking care of old people in their communities, which they could then spend to get care for their own relatives far away.
3\traditional bank becomes a community partner, helping a local region invest in itself. …. bank transforms itself from an agent of debt to a catalyst for distribution and circulation. Like money in a digital age, it becomes less a thing of value in itself than a way of fostering the value creation and exchange of others.
back to tweet – can money (measurement of transaction).. be about trust..? seems too calculated for what i think trust wants to be..
How Growth Became The Enemy of Prosperity. (video) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fwlnCzG3aU
digital age doesn’t just push us into some crazy future.. but retrieves some really old/lost/precious values from the past.. not just little cultural whims.. but hints of society unfolding before us.. dig society actually looks like something very local/real/hands on
on surrendering disruptions..
5 min – govt can change nature of regulations.. – right now it favors the largest…
11 min – huge focus on companies..
20 min – human scaled economies are local..
21 min – activity supports each other in community
22 min – the attention getting media.. we currently employ.. are not best for telling (local) stories
23 min – i’m actually becoming ok with global media being disconnected freak show.. if i a have a real life of actual connections w/other people
24 min – big picture – we’re reasserting the human agenda.. get people to join team human…
29 min – if you have people with needs and people with skills.. that’s all you need for an economy
31 min – not an app to fix this.. (interviewer – ie: loomio not that complicated.. it’s about the people coming together and working on the rules..et al)
the way in which we make decisions is going to be more algorithmic..
? – redefine decision making…
not a matter of better encryption .. but of better listening…
32 min – on getting people together… and how to fund twitter.. could go private..
or… get rid of money
find the others.. meet up – get people connecting in real places off line
find tribe ness
34 min – tech should get us together and get out of the way..
io dance ness
36 min – make more choices on a local scale…. some things industrial good at – power plants.. but not so much farming.. get back to permaculture
perhaps.. – same with power plant ness..
38 min – winco – a walmart coop
44 min – if it has a growth imperative.. then hasn’t found right size/model yet
46 min – say what you want about net neutrality.. it’s already gone… you’ve got to talk to the humans.. your community… i wouldn’t call it an affinity group.. it’s got to be so targeted/tagged/specific… address a need not being met.. then people will come
49 min – global space.. more idea based than commerce based.. easier to disseminate an idea/plans to a lot of diff places…
51 min – by getting govt off (web)… opened up for corp.. and they took over.. now when we say global.. so many think we mean global markets… that was just imperialism by another name… internet still a global network and has potential to disseminate ideas..
53 min – that’s the one thing we humans have.. a home field advantage on planet earth…
Douglas Rushkoff in conversation with Institute for the Future’s Marina Gorbis https://t.co/UP3eLyLqZk
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/rushkoff/status/714541854709182464
interview with Marina Gorbis:
3 min – the people building digital tools/companies.. didn’t recognize they were working on top of another os – corp capitalism
8 min – on pivot ness.. ie: amazon not interested in people reading.. but using that as a place you can pivot from…
11 min – on forcing twitter to pivot…. to become like ie: facebook…
so not allowed to distribute wealth.. not allowed… in old corp system..
15 min – money is just another medium… an os
22 min – digital tech is burning out corporatism..
23 min – blockchain and bitcoin.. original fb brothers.. go other way…
bitcoin – what are they solving for… they weren’t solving for right problem.. it’s not engendering trust between people.. it’s substituting for trust in a new way.. the part that gets interesting is the blockchain – let’s people authenticate w/o central authority.. we use a public ledger
? – isn’t that substituting for trust in another way? – but not trusting..
bitcoin by just being able to do that .. puts traditional authenticators and gate keepers on notice.. that we can do it w/o them
don’t have to use a blockchain to make sure platform is going to extract too much… but the fact that we can do it restores faith in what we can do….. on saying – there’s all these things we can do that aren’t being counted…
– i’m more interested in getting things off the books than on…
B ness (computer too slow to add lines… just now… another reason for chip doing it)
everything is so verified.. we lose the ambiguity to get on… we can no longer create slack.. that wiggle room that makes for a community and makes for fun.. we mistake those metrics for what’s actually happening...
29 min – jobs: making stuff that nobody even wants…. purpose of having a job – not in order to get stuff done that we need.. it’s so we can justify letting you partake of spoils of industrial capitalism
30 min – the market place isn’t something you gamify.. it’s already gamified.. it’s a game .. and we can change the rules…
31 min – platform coops give me hope.. like uber getting to own the platform
32 min – on having to do the meta thing.. don’t scale.. scale is the obligation of growth based.. instead .. you want to sustain
34 min – what gives me hope – people doing small things.. set sights on something different.. gotten off the fame wagon… invest the homefield advantage of planet earth
42 min – no one size fits all solution.. you come up for the particular solution for your space…
44 min – locally doesn’t happen at scale… it works because you are part of the living community together…
45 min – do i understand that my phone is using 2 refrigerator’s worth of electricity.. on all the servers and things i’m pulling on… yet designed to look super clean…. land, labor, and capital.. and now os that’s only focus on capital… we have to re incorporate land and labor..
46 min – college has the same role as art.. to help you step out of the cultural narrative.. and see it as a social construction rather than as a condition of nature… ie: race, gender, ethnicity, econ, …
47 min – you don’t train kids for jobs… you train them to invent.. who wants a job anyway…
48 min – we should figure out a way to get through this world w/o needing a job..
indeed: a nother way
49 min – everyone of our social platforms is currently configured to reduce human spontaneity… they make more money the more predictable we are..
but more predictable.. the less human ambiguity we need to think our way out of this drone/lemming like march off the cliff..
idio jargon ness
51 min – if giving 90% of money back.. means took too much to being with
54 min – i only want to use platforms that i understand.. otherwise probably being used.. ie: that i understand who the customer is
55 min – i have no time for this.. i have to earn money to live on
57 min – digital is to talk to people far away.. then get back in the world… if you’re hiding online… use that time to make the world a better place.. so don’t need that..
58 min – trump has exposed market driven journalism…
1:02 – thinking is no longer singular.. really no point in lying because they know it subconsciously.. if everybody knows … how would you act differently.. there’s nothing to hide.. no shame… what if move toward.. non personal.. non owned… we are all neurons in a big global brain.. what if we thought that was true.... for me it’s a relief….
1:04 – what corporatism thrives on is the illusion of your individuality.. your separate ness..
interconnectedness – ni – rewire – small world network – et al
which was invented in the renaissance.. the gentlemen sitting alone in his room… if we begin to unwind that and say…
if everybody knows where we’re at.. what can we do next… well what we don’t know.. is what we can do together….
in all my years of striving what i’ve learned is.. to stop striving..
the last thing i want to do is actualize myself… (maslow) – get self out of way and start looking at human potential as a team sport…
fav one yet… grazie
on big think
on history: bazaar.. small businesses… then make laws 1\ can’t be a small business.. have to work for king 2\ can’t transact direct.. have to borrow money – so… need for growth… to pay back interest…
internet currency .. was our attention..
pivot is not to do something better, all a pivot means is you’re going to abandon what your original business was in order to come up with something that’s sellable to the next round of investors, the next round of suckers really.
IFTF: Douglas Rushkoff joins IFTF as Research Fellow https://t.co/tD8vupL1Nw via @sharethis
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/rushkoff/status/736009273961000960
oh. please be bold enough to go crazy enough.
personal democracy 2016
we all mean well – i’m not critical of intentions.. – @rushkoff #PDF16
os beneath the os of tech’s we’re all using is corp capitalism – to externalize costs to other people. our money system is extractive
if capital is only one that gets to talk .. what happens to land.. labor.. we just digitized corp program.. and now we’re saying.. let’s get govt on their too..
what does it mean if all those guys in suits are clapping for you.. a forced pivot is coming
problem w this arrangement.. it forces companies to extract value rather than circulate..
don’t think people really see tech as hero.. people are literally throwing rocks.. because can’t live in towns anymore
we have a tax policy that is optimized for extractive value not the distributive value
we want to retrieve p2p culture… common culture.. w/o human intervention and focus on solidarity.. we let the tools run the world for us.
platforms are optimized for attention.. sensationalism.. filter bubbles.. the externalization of those i don’t want to see.
whole point of democracy is not externalizing anything … but opposite embedded in tools we’re using..
john barlow – declaration of independence of cyber space.. anti govt.. get off our internet.. i understand why he did that.. what happens when you get govt off platform.. we got corporatism.. so we lost the net..
i understand.. we went from open web to kind of closed fb.. and skewed search results.. but do we really want to fight about that… the web was supposed to make the world more open.. now we’re fighting to make web more open..
blockchain doesn’t engender trust.. it perpetuates mistrust baked into system run by cap
solidarity happens in the real world.. the way we get there is how we get there
rev of everyday life
here in real world is only place we humans have home field advantage.. to accommodate to digital
democracy is a verb.. what we do..
we shouldn’t end.. period is going out of style.. the good: this ending is not the period.. unlike tech we humans are alive
when we combine these two biases—boundaries and memories—we get Brexiters justifying isolation as a confirmation of distinctly British values and the return to a nationalist era, when foreigners and other non-whites knew their place. Trump’s followers, likewise, recall a clearly redlined past when being white and American meant enjoying a safe neighborhood, a sense of superiority, and guaranteed place in the middle class. Immigrants were fellow Irish and Italians—not foreigners, refugees, or terrorists leaking illegally across permeable national boundaries.
two things that could make us… but as pointed our here.. can also break us..
host life bits to live alive.. not to binary-ize
In some sense, those of us who want to preserve the one-world vision of the TV media environment are the ones who must stop looking back. If we’re going to promote connection, tolerance, and progressive internationalism, we’ll have to do it in a way that’s more consonant with the digital media environment in which we are actually living.
rev of everyday life ness
It’s time we forge the solidarity we need to press for the human agenda – without shame or embarrassment.
Céline (@krustelkram) tweeted at 5:49 AM – 27 Sep 2016 :
Great interview. @rushkoff about zombies, occupy and the problem with UBI https://t.co/cF11LtxCaV(http://twitter.com/krustelkram/status/780736037630971905?s=17)
And I’m still working on this problem, since I believe that food, housing, and medical care are basic human rights for which you shouldn’t need a job, but I don’t like how guaranteed minimum income becomes an excuse for more exploitation of those at the bottom, and a new two-tiered society.
yes.. bi could jump start us.. but we have to plan for it to disappear.. plan for money.. any measuring of transactions to disappear.. like you say.. we can’t have money as os..
The other thing I’ve been thinking, almost musing on, is that originally the net was where we counterculture people went find a safe haven. And now that the net is utterly infected by corporate interests, we find refuge out here in the real world. The losers are running around online for fear of missing out, and all their getting is the honor of being data-raped. Those of us in the real world are having flesh experiences as well as high bandwidth intellectual encounters that make anything online pale by comparison. That’s part of why I’m conducting most of my interviews for Team Human in real life.
and too. we have to plan for f to f ness.. ie: use mech (placebo ish.. temporary.. like bi) that encourages us to get back together.
I wanted to do something completely devoid of market considerations—….That means adopting a more natural rhythm, producing episodes as we want to rather than to meet some official schedule, and just not worrying about how this fits into some business plan.
Really, I’ve learned that the market as it’s currently configured, and human life, are at odds. Without intervention, the market will kill humanity.
9 min – the object of the game is not to have an object of the game.. not to win but to develop a sustainable model..
the minute you put on t shirt .. no longer real
cohesion w/o centrality.. w/o succumbing to that desperate need to belong
occupations are little models for us.. ie: occupy town means figuring out how your town can create value
a net style movement.. p2p.. ability to tolerate not having an ending.. but a series of connections.. beginnings..