unconditional basic income
An unconditional basic income (also called basic income, basic income guarantee, universal basic income, universal demogrant, or citizen’s income) is a form of social security system in which all citizens or residents of a country regularly receive an unconditional sum of money, either from a government or some other public institution, in addition to any income received from elsewhere.
A basic income of any amount less than the social minimum is sometimes referred to as a “partial basic income”.
Similar proposals for “capital grants provided at the age of majority” date to Thomas Paine’s Agrarian Justice of 1795, there paired with asset-based egalitarianism. The phrase “social dividend” was commonly used as a synonym for basic income in the English-speaking world before 1986, after which the phrase “basic income” gained widespread currency. Prominent advocates of the concept include Philippe Van Parijs, Ailsa McKay, André Gorz, and Guy Standing.
intro’d to eci here on the global voices hangout linked (and embedded) below about..
unconditional basic income:
hosted by Sahar Habib Ghazir, deputy editor for global voices..
alternative to work.. basic income exists.. – Martin
agree with comments on laziness.. big concern, except when talking about self.. so.. this is very controversial and so going to be a very long debate.- Carlos
laziness – people worried about it – until you ask about them personally – and they say – no i wouldn’t want to just be lazy – .. the system works so bad – we can’t even imagine it differently – Stan
we took signatures for 1.5 years.. and will take another 2 years to vote – Anne
the point isn’t so much how much – but that it’s unconditional and universal.. – Stan
everyone deserves a means to live and do the things that are most important to them.. – Barb
can we hasten this?
The Basic Income proposal is being presented by citizens from 15 EU member states(Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, United Kingdom).
This Friday on GV Face I speak to activists gathering signatures and raising awareness about the need for Basic Income.
Stanislas Jourdan | Main coordinator for European Citizens’ Initiative for Unconditional Basic Income in France
Martin Jordö | Main coordinator forEuropean Citizens’ Initiative for Unconditional Basic Income in Sweden
Carlos Arias| Global Voices Contributor in Spain
Anne-Béatrice Duparc | Switzerland
Barb Jacobson | UK
article in the us…
A universal basic income, combined with a job guarantee and other social programs, could make participation in the labor force truly voluntary, thereby enabling people to get a life.
A universal basic income would address this epidemic at the root and provide everyone, in the words of Duke professor Kathi Weeks, “time to cultivate new needs for pleasures, activities, senses, passions, affects, and socialities that exceed the options of working and saving, producing and accumulating.”
1. Guaranteed Work for Everybody
2. Social Security for All
3. Take Back The Land
4. Make Everything Owned by Everybody
5. A Public Bank in Every State
resonating with 2, 3, and 4.. and 1 only if work is per choice.. not sure why we need banks…
for the people, a job merely serves as a conduit for income, and consequently, the crisis is not an “employment crisis” but an “income crisis.”
“Unemployment is not a disease that needs to be cured by creating more employment. Unemployment is the cure. So we devised a better system.”
The solution to all of this is simple, really:
Pay people to create shared infrastructure.
india basic income pilot (2013) findings:
- During the course of the pilots, cash grant households reported a lower incidence of common illnesses.
- Cash grants benefited those with disabilities even more than others, by enabling them to have more access to food and to medical assistance.
- Contrary to a common criticism of cash transfers, cash grants were associated with an increase in labour and work.
Why the Tech Elite Is Getting Behind Universal Basic Income
Like pretty much all the shortcut solutions Silicon Valley offers, basic income would have its perks, but it isn’t enough to solve our real problems on its own.
A basic income designed by venture capitalists in Silicon Valley is more likely to reinforce their power than to strengthen the poor. But a basic income arrived at through the vision and the struggle of those who need it most would help ensure that it meets their needs first. If we’re looking for a way through the robot apocalypse, we can do better than turn to the people who are causing it.
We’ll be discussing the possible concerns and solutions regarding the funding of a basic income http://t.co/sSGVWtlTay live in 30 min
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/LivingIncome/status/556881418077622272
The Universal Basic Income movement is increasingly gaining support on both the right and left side of the political spectrum. The biggest hurdle on the road between concept and implementation seems to remain the affordability of the project. We’ll be discussing the possible concerns and solutions’ regarding the funding of a basic income, as well as the role taxation takes within its funding. You’re welcome to post any questions and comments throughout our Live discussion with Maite Zamora Moreno from Living Income Guaranteed Movement.
suggested basic income for those not working.. for whatever reason.. and people working get double that. – not sure who’s talking (Maite is talking mostly – other is asking/posing-questions/summary)
funding of income – how is it different than universal basic income – Maite – using companies related to human rights or natural resources.. then to use the profits of those companies toward funding of living income – we’re not suggesting nationalizing companies..
from living income google plus feed – this video on ie’s in india:
via article from Guy Standing
Basic income paid to the poor can transform lives
people given unconditional money in india – worked more, et al..
The only condition was that every adult had to open a bank or co-operative account within three months, into which the basic income was paid. Despite scepticism from our advisory board, a 98% bank account rate was achieved in that period; the rest followed.
feb 2015 – basic income – belgium – via Michel
minimum basic income
from Jill Leovy’s ghettoside (the epilogue):
the federal second chance act in 2005 inspired new efforts to provide ssi (supplemental security income, a payment available to people with disabilities) to prisoners upon reentry; many prisoners qualify, since a third of the state’s inmates have been diagnosed with mental illness. as we have seen, autonomy counters homicide. cold cash paid out to individuals is a powerful thing; this author has watched ssi transform many aspects of life in south central los angeles over about a decade, but the change for indigent black men has been especially dramatic.
money translates to autonomy, economic autonomy is like legal autonomy. it helps break apart homicidal enclaves by reducing interdependence and lowering the stakes of conflicts. the many indigent black men who now report themselves to be “on disability” – many of them with mental disabilities, such as add and bipolar disorder – signal an unprecedented income stream for a population that once suffered near-absolute economic marginalization. an eight-hundred-dollar-a-month check for an unemployed black ex-felon makes a big difference in his life.
the risks and benefits of various hustles surely appear different to him. he can move, ditch his homeys, commit fewer crimes, walk away from more fights. doubtless many people will criticize this trend and decry the expense of ssi. bu this author can’t condemn a program that appears to have saved so many from being murdered or maimed.
Imagine the social progress and technological advances that would be possible if we could only free people to do the things that they love doing.
posted june 2015 – not sure when it was written – utrecht experimenting with basic income for the summer
july 2015 – 30 dutch communities to experiment with versions of bi
– – –
more on utrecht’s yr long experiment starting fall 2015..
Welfare recipients in Utrecht lose their benefits if they can’t find a job, signaling that mistrust, Hartogs tells Business Insider.
“In our scientific experiment,” she says, “we will approach people with less or no rules, to see whether they still make an effort.”
Researchers from the city council and University of Utrecht will separate at least 250 welfare recipients into five groups: a control group operating under the current laws, three groups with fewer rules, and an unconditional income group that receives money no matter what.
If the system pans out favorably, it could be the first concrete example that basic income works.
Finland plans to scrap existing benefits schemes, and give every citizen a basic income of 800 euros a month.https://t.co/MNiUTohvef
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/exiledsurfer/status/673243972849041408
This Monday in Oxford Marcus Brancaglione will talk about the ReCivitas project in Brazil…. fb.me/OnMPPqgQ
Updated for 2016: An introduction to Basic Income. No work – how would you spend your day? steveworsley.com/on/basic-income
from 2016 –
There are at least discussions about conducting experiments by some governments. At the moment it’s about convincing people to invest in research.
? more research.. seems we have enough.. (just been ignored or mal practiced).. perhaps what we need is to just do it..
a nother way
ie: 1 yr to try commons via short bp ness be\cause short ness
plans for experiments
There are a few cities who would like to run Basic Income experiments in the Netherlands and the Dutch Ministry of Social Affairs wants them to team up together to run one experiment across the different cities.
It was also reported (Guardian, BBC, Quartz) that the Finnish government commissioned a national social insurance provider to calculate the costs and run an experiment on Basic Income. However KELA are still working out how to run the experiment. If it does get approved it will be run in 2017.
In America Y-Combinator, a start-up incubator, have put out a Request for Research and want to fund a researcher to work full-time for 5 years.
In the UK Caroline Lucas from the Green party has put a motion in place to discuss the possibility of commissioning research.
on y combinators.. via Sam
We’re going to try something new—our first Request For Research.We’d like to fund a study on basic income—i.e., giving people enough money to live on with no strings attached. I’ve been intrigued by the idea for a while, and although there’s been a lot of discussion, there’s fairly little data about how it would work.It’s true that we have systems in place to give people resources, but the bureaucracy and qualification requirements make it a very imperfect approximation of what most people mean when talking about a basic income. We have some examples of something close to a basic income in other countries, but we’d like to see how it would work in the US.[..]Our idea is to give a basic income to a group of people in the US for a 5 year period, though we’re flexible on that and all aspects of the project—we are far from experts on this kind of research. We’d be especially interested in a combination of selecting people at random, and selecting people who are driven and talented but come from poor backgrounds. We’re open to doing this in either one geographic area, or nationally distributed.
here’s hoping they’re looking for a change rather than just a report..
a nother way via short bp .. for (blank)’s sake…
ie: 1 yr to try commons ness… basic income ness.. radical econ ness..
What can we do in the meantime while governments consider researching Basic Income? Crowdfund our own, of course! Scott Santens and Sjir Hoeijmakers have set up their own crowdfunding pages to try and garner enough support to provide a Basic Income allowing them the time to research and report back on what it’s like to live on one.
post ended w/ a film of last job on earth – to that.. graeber jobless law
Canada plans to experiment with giving people unconditional free money read.bi/1LYUpQo pic.twitter.com/GLONVqHYLi
The premise: Send people monthly checks to cover living expenses such as food, transportation, clothing, and utilities — no questions asked.
It’s a radical idea, and one that has been around since the 1960s. It’s called “basic income.” In the decades since it was first proposed, various researchers and government officials have given basic income experiments a try, with mixed results.
mixed results perhaps because we tend to ignore and/or corrupt no strings part
Guaranteed Basic Income. Would it improve quality of life, reduce some of the govt’s social expenses?
What Would Happen If We Just Gave People Money? fivethirtyeight.com/features/unive… #basicincome by @andrewflowers
We limit ourselves too much,” Straub said. “I’m interested in consciousness, expanding consciousness. And basic income is a wonderful tool for that — it challenges a lot of assumptions we have.”
it’s a great jumpstart/placebo.. but begs to be temporary.. or we’ll end up back where we are. if we seek capabilities of humanity.. we’ve got to disengage from measuring transactions… otherwise just a kinder compromise..limit of consciousness.. et al.
Those with a more utopian bent, such as the organizers of the Swiss referendum, want to open up more options, to let people create art and free the world of what Straub calls “bullshit jobs.”
actually graeber.. as article notes
Both lovers and haters of basic income often miss an important point: We don’t have great data on how it would work or what would happen if it did. Similar policies were tested in both Canada and the U.S. in the 1960s and ’70s, but studies of their effects were either flawed or abandoned. “To be honest, a full long-term universal basic income has never been tried, let alone rigorously evaluated,” said Michael Faye, the co-founder and executive chairman of Give Directly, a nonprofit that has pioneered direct cash transfers to the extreme poor, primarily in Kenya and Uganda.
we have enough data.. spot on about flawed or abandoned..
key isn’t to evaluate.. key is to let go. we know enough (data wise and in our hearts) that nothing else is working and that when people are set free.. they seek good.
It’s harder, amid government austerity, to argue for more generous benefits, though many supporters of basic income would like to see spending increase.
just one.. of a myriad of reasons.. it should just be temporary/placebo.. or not at all.. we’re too caught up in thinking money/consumerism is an essential to being human
Controversy erupted when data from the Seattle and Denver studies seemed to show an increase in the divorce rate among participants (those findings were later discovered to be the result of a statistical error).
even if divorce rate increased… doesn’t mean – not thinking about money/debt – isn’t the answer.. we have deeper issues.. how we do marriage is one of them
Plans are still in early development but the study will “most likely be a randomized control trial,” said Krisiloff. That means giving cash to randomly selected Americans, hopefully over a long period. “To really do this well, you’d have to do it on a large swath of the nation,” Krisiloff acknowledged. The ultimate goal, he hinted, will be to inspire some local or state government to launch a basic income pilot of its own.
i don’t think it can happen random/dispersed like this.. everyone in local community has to be a part.. modeling a fractal world.
Wenger wants less time spent on tasks that could be automated and more time spent on issues he thinks are insufficiently addressed: fighting climate change, exploring space, preventing the next global pandemic.
i think we’d be blown away.. ie: wouldn’t need to be fighting anything..
Like the backers of basic income in Switzerland, he thinks providing for basic needs will allow innovation to flourish. With a basic income, he said, “you’re put in charge of your time. You’ll have 100 percent of your time available to you.”
spot on with 100% ness.. 100% time.. but also has to be 100% people.. all of us.. or it won’t work..
ie: www ness
Others have crowdfunded their own basic income. About two years ago, Scott Santens, a New Orleans-based writer, discovered Patreon, a Kickstarter-like crowdfunding site with a focus on creative types.
closer.. but still a compromise.. time spent on this..ie: watching palmer (patreon) and heap (ethereum)..
[io dance/hosting life bits (blockchain/stack ness: replace server farms – chip energy efficient –dna\ness)
rat park ness – luxury of something else to do
givedirectly – planning long term bi in kenya (2016)
on min wage not being enough:
There is no state in the country in which a minimum-wage worker can afford a two-bedroom apartment.
While stagnant wages for lower-income workers are contributing to rental affordability challenges, the findings suggest a dearth of low-cost supply is also a culprit.
Of 370,000 multifamily rental units completed from 2012 to 2014 in 54 U.S. metropolitan areas, 82% were in the luxury category, well out of reach for low-income earners, according to CoStar Group Inc., a real-estate research firm.
@hardlynormalThere is no relief in sight for renters who make the minimum wage blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016… via@just_shelter
netherlands 2017 – 250 residents in utrecht
The Netherlands money 4 nothing experiment #UBI @TheAtlantic @peerby @gorenflo @AntoLeonard @lesamitchell @BobLitan https://t.co/Yxx9BziN60
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/instigating/status/746395618449330178
Well worth reading. Anyone enamored of #basicincome should read and take into account. #nexteconomy
Great piece from @dylanmatt: the premise #basicincome solves a political economy problem doesn’t have much evidence vox.com/2016/7/16/1194…
crazy number crunching.. imagine if we disengaged from money/measuring transactions… imagine the energy save.. the equity gleaned..
I like the concept of UBI, and I like the proposals that were in that Wisconsin plan, but I had somewhat of the same reaction to the Wisconsin plan. To me, it doesn’t help get us to where we have to go. It’s so big and expensive that I don’t see it being taken seriously within the political system. The problem with all those plans is how to pay for it and where the money would come from.
why it begs to simply be a temp/placebo – time for people to not think about money .. so we can disengage from money
I very much agree with the guaranteed income goal. The question is how do you get there, and, given the math and US political culture and budget politics, make sure that one is making progress toward that rather than going in the wrong direction?
perhaps we need a disengage from the math..
I would view UBI proposals like Charles Murray’s, or even other proposals that don’t eliminate Social Security or Medicare but do eliminate all or most means-tested programs, as clearly steps backward when you do the math.
Having said that, I do think that while it’s hard for me, because of the attitudes you’ve mentioned, to see universal children’s allowances for the foreseeable future, I do think there’s a clear path toward making however much progress you can make toward that. We have the child tax credit. I
The Independent (@Independent) tweeted at 2:48 AM – 24 Nov 2016 :
Scotland could trial giving each citizen a universal basic income https://t.co/exRjN2mzfj (http://twitter.com/Independent/status/801724157897637889?s=17)
nice… but not enough.. go deeper..
The Basic Income 101 article I wrote for the World Economic Forum is available on Medium too. If you recommend it… https://t.co/zZPJ2ExOyZ
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/scottsantens/status/822191252561154050
Pat Kane (@theplayethic) tweeted at 4:50 AM – 4 Mar 2017 :From @alteruk21, ad guru @pteer does a full “action manifesto” on Universal Basic Income–to persuade the world: https://t.co/iAT8XLEQgC (http://twitter.com/theplayethic/status/837993653444444161?s=17) Phil Teer: Universal Basic Income – an Insurrection of the Imagination from Pat Kane [..] To change people’s minds would take a bold, broad and far-reaching communication strategy. It would need to reach deep into culture, utilise the popularising power of advertising and harness support from all corners. It would be the kind of strategy that a political group or an art group would write up as a manifesto
[..] UBI needs artists as much as artists need a basic income. And we all need artists because artists create markets. Artistic renaissance in a city creates demand across the whole economy.
[..] If you want to change the way people think, you need to change the way they feel. Universal Basic Income is for everyone. It’s not a perk nor an attack, it’s an *opportunity to revolutionise how we live our everyday lives. Everyone deserves it, everyone’s BI.
We have nothing to lose but the insecurity that keeps us docile. We are a popular front of the powerful and our most powerful weapon is art.
Kevin Carson Ⓐ (@KevinCarson1) tweeted at 5:20 PM on Tue, Mar 07, 2017:
Basic income isn’t just a nice idea. It’s a birthright | P2P Foundation https://t.co/HZoEv7enQk
The earth’s natural bounty belongs to all, as Paine pointed out. If the commons know no borders, why should a commons-linked income
If implemented more broadly, it might help eliminate “bullshit jobs”
Basic Income UK (@basicincome_uk) tweeted at 7:10 AM – 10 Mar 2017 :Brilliant convo re tech, politics & #basicincome btw @dark_shark & @evgenymorozov https://t.co/2MrbIBcxT1 UBI starts around 44′ (http://twitter.com/basicincome_uk/status/840203255795896320?s=17) 46 min – Brian: all relatives brilliant in diff ways.. but all in traps.. because poor.. no freedom to experiment.. to move away from the postman job they had.. 48 min – Brian: i had a real stroke of luck.. ie: after free art school.. govt paid for me.. essentially bi.. to be on dole for a year.. could try being an artist.. i knew if i had a job i wouldn’t become an artist.. because i’d be paying rent et al.. then i joined a band and everything worked out fine 49 min – Brian: the more i realize it though.. the luck i had then.. is not available to people now 51 min – Brian: noticed in last 20 yrs.. isn’t how world is anymore
Brian: most important thing about bi.. it stops life being completely precarious for people..
52 min – Brian: on ideas forming because relatives happen to give money.. to really level playing field.. to make it possible for all to have chance to make an experiment.. have to have a safety net of some kind.. 53 min – Brian: growing up seeing so much creativity wasted.. and now.. living in world where we need as much creativity as we can get.. we really need everybody to be contributing.. bi seems to be the most obvious and simple solution...
57 min – Brian: on rich expecting to get something back from bi.. has to start w ed system.. tragedy w ed.. not talking about things happening now.. understanding how big systems working.. ways of engaging children in new way.. my theory.. start with their lives.. use that as basis of ed..
Scott Santens (@scottsantens) tweeted at 0:00 PM on Wed, Mar 22, 2017:
Curious about the long history of the idea of providing everyone a #basicincome? Here’s a great timeline summary. https://t.co/ddFdO9NIDy
Céline (@krustelkram) tweeted at 5:47 AM – 4 Apr 2017 :Capitalism needs unemployment/cheap labor. It needs losers. UBI won’t solve it. But hope something else could grow out of it. https://t.co/op6AykarmV (http://twitter.com/krustelkram/status/849226838970953730?s=17) ‘UBI citizen little more than allegiance to system of rationing..must not be end goal’- GG on @RealMediaGB
‘what amount of luxury we actually need’
telling you value comes from paperwork rather than what anyone does
thing (those on top) fear most.. people that have basic securities and time have this notion value comes from labor.. but also.. value comes from production.. where.. most labor is not productive.. it’s not about making things .. it’s about keeping things the same.. ie: caregiving.. work is valuable in itself.. valuable even if don’t get anything out of it
what makes work valuable.. it’s a form of care for other people.. and nobody can decide how that happens other than the people doing it
something like bi can help us re evaluate what we value about what we do
bi as temp placebo..
michel share via anna blume – ubi coin
It provides a technological solution to the *Double Coincidence of Wants problem in currencies and any value **exchange.
maybe.. but not for humanity.. (maté basic needs and 10 day cares et al)
perhaps exchange ness is the problem
“Poverty isn’t a lack of character, it’s a lack of cash!”
depends on how you define poverty.. and if you realize cash is made up et al
Inspired by the Bancor Protocol, the UBIcoin presents a tool for issuing and distributing smart tokens with the view to empower people and their communities. Local currencies are not new. Many existing local currencies have been creating real value for their users, but often their trade volume is too small to achieve liquidity. Bancor Protocol makes it possible to achieve liquidity regardless of the size of token. So creating a basic income that is tradable becomes possible. It will definitely empower people and their communities.
empower people..? or get/keep people to focus on power/math over people/love
when the power of love over comes the love of power.. peace..
What good will this system do? Well, the UBIcoin will *motivate people to become active not only as consumers but also as producers within their community. They will get a much broader perspective on what already has **value in a community and they can trade their own talents, goods and services with people in their own or other communities.
*wrong motivation.. killing us.. energy is what we need/crave
**value.. who decides..
They can also achieve bigger things, such as *building a school together, producing food or taking care of their vulnerable family members by donating smart tokens to them.
*? – how are schools helping us now..? perpetuating this broken loop.. yeah that
Fabiana Cecin (@fabianacecin) tweeted at 5:31 PM on Tue, Jun 20, 2017:
UBI is a system that is aware of people that exist. ONLY an identification system can support an UBI-by-construction monetary system.
perhaps why ubi can’t be our answer – id ness.. is a measurement that compromises us
The Alternative UK (@AlterUK21) tweeted at 1:36 AM on Wed, Jun 21, 2017:
UBI advances, by experiment and legislation, in Finland and Hawaii: https://t.co/vDiXYMOKKShttps://t.co/xllymANsw9
Stuart Mark UBI NOW (@UBIsticker) tweeted at 5:00 PM on Wed, Oct 04, 2017:
#BasicIncome Pilot Programs around the world
Basic Income Images (@BasicIncomeIMG) tweeted at 10:21 AM – 8 Oct 2017 :
As long as we’re focused only on survival, we can’t care about much more than that. Survival anxiety must go. With #basicincome, it’s gone. https://t.co/h6k1LJ62Rp (http://twitter.com/BasicIncomeIMG/status/917062280512188416?s=17)
what’s basic.. who decides..will it remain basic..?
a nother way sans money/measuring transactions.. otherwise.. anxiety’s not gone
lisagansky (@instigating) tweeted at 4:54 PM on Wed, Dec 20, 2017:
Defining the #commons newly: … And happy to see alignment begin here for Universl Basic Income — solid base from which to spread #ideawhosetimeisnow #ubi @nataliefoster @ladyniasan @bengansky @Neighborly @meedabyte @mbauwens @tomasdelara @rowemw https://t.co/mPYkrc8Byr
However, the closest thing to the principle of a universal basic income that exists can be found in Alaska. The Permanent Development Fund has been running since 1982, when the government decided to put the proceeds from a portion of their oil and gas resources into a fund. Since then, every year they have split the dividends from that pot equally between every resident of Alaska. The amount is not enough to live off – it has ranged from $300 to over $2,000 – but it may have had an effect: inequality in Alaska decreased during the 1990s and 2000s—the only US state where this was the case.
None of these examples provide conclusive evidence for a basic income. But they do support two ideas: a basic income does not destroy the motivation to work, and people can be trusted to spend it responsibly
perhaps motivation to ‘work’ and spending money is not what it means to be human gotta go deeper
World Economic Forum (@wef) tweeted at 5:22 AM – 29 Jan 2018 :
This US city is launching a basic income experiment https://t.co/tZBTPy3xCV #finance https://t.co/e41qJmC5bI (http://twitter.com/wef/status/957951969301327873?s=17)
The plan is to select a yet undisclosed number of recipients from among Stockton’s 315,000 citizens to receive a fixed $500 monthly income — or $6,000 a year — for the duration of SEED, which Tubbs hope will last three years.
Stockton is an exurb located some 80 kilometers (50 miles) from Berkeley. It became the first U.S. city to file for bankruptcy back in 2012, and five years later, the city is still in the throes of poverty, with an unemployment rate of 7.3 percent — almost twice that of the national average of 4.3 percent. The typical Stockton household’s income is only at $44,797, well below the median household income in California, which is $61,818.
gotta go deeper..
Michel Bauwens (@mbauwens) tweeted at 5:22 AM – 29 Jan 2018 :
RT @basicincome_uk: “If there are 30 mill Google users in Italy, it is fair to tax Google based on the profits they made from these users’ activities. In this way, one could fund a basic income, arising from the digital labour that each of us carries out ” (http://twitter.com/mbauwens/status/957951984908283906?s=17)
even if the answer is money.. (which i don’t believe it is) .. we have the means
It’s Basic Income (@itsbasicincome) tweeted at 6:15 AM – 21 Feb 2018 :
“Basic income is a radical notion. It seems to question the ‘natural order’ of things. But the natural order is just what we’ve become used to..’ as written by #BrianEno in our book ‘It’s Basic Income’ that publishes in 2 weeks! Buy yours now: https://t.co/y5yBRSAmXK #basicincome (http://twitter.com/itsbasicincome/status/966300405897547778?s=17)
“The scale of unpaid work carried out within UK households was valued at £1 trill in 2014. That was around 56% of GDP which highlights the immense scale of the productive activity which households perform for themselves rather than contract out to market.” https://t.co/gJl6Ighk3E (http://twitter.com/basicincome_uk/status/980073183268261889?s=17)
Basic Income UK (@basicincome_uk) tweeted at 7:28 AM – 31 Mar 2018 :
Time for #basicincome to support this work – society can’t function without it! https://t.co/Y2SIqkFvhA (http://twitter.com/basicincome_uk/status/980074369606184961?s=17)
or.. time for disengaging from money
ie: if all that is going on outside of market.. why do we need it/money..?
Simon J Duffy (@simonjduffy) tweeted at 4:54 AM – 4 Apr 2018 :
Isn’t Universal Basic Services just another way the London-based meritocracy can keep control over the lives of ordinary people?
Do we really need more Fabian-paternalism?
@UBILabSheffield @CforWR #basicincome instead please https://t.co/SaOzXyKzP6 (http://twitter.com/simonjduffy/status/981485265943498752?s=17)
same w ubi.. just subtler
begs ubi as temp placebo
Dr. Nadia Alam (@DocSchmadia) tweeted at 9:50 AM – 4 Aug 2018 :
Ontario’s Basic Income project was a carefully designed experiment to see if #basicincome could change a person’s health, #mentalhealth, income, work effort, housing etc.
Stopping it means we lose the answers to all those questions.
#ONpoli https://t.co/J0qzxWuuvf (http://twitter.com/DocSchmadia/status/1025770867672854528?s=17)
we already had answers to bi
need to go deeper
Old Whig (@aClassicLiberal) tweeted at 2:29 PM – 8 Sep 2018 :
Iran started a Universal Basic Income in 2010, 28% of average income paid monthly for everybody. It had no negative effect on work and increased work for women and self-employed men.
https://t.co/rpAJE09JD9 https://t.co/NaLnPQgBHE (http://twitter.com/aClassicLiberal/status/1038524695392464896?s=17)
In 2011, Iran started monthly deposits of cash into individual accounts covering more than 70 million people and amounting to 28% of the median per capita household income. The payments were compensation for the sudden removal of hefty energy subsidies.
marina‘s uba (asset rather than income – ubi).. – asset – ness
douglas on (against) ubi and for asset – ness
douglas rushkoff (@rushkoff) tweeted at 9:05 AM on Wed, Oct 10, 2018:
I used to be a fan of Universal Basic Income. Then, I gave a talk at Uber.
Shouldn’t we applaud the developers at Uber — as well as other prominent Silicon Valley titans like Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes, bond investor Bill Gross, and Y Combinator’s Sam Altman — for coming to their senses and proposing we provide money for the masses to spend? Maybe not. Because to them, UBI is really just a way for them to keep doing business as usual.
When people eventually become too poor to continue working as drivers or paying for rides, UBI supplies the required cash infusion for the business to keep operating.
exactly.. 1\ it feeds the system 2\ it (the measuring ness of it) compromises the human spirit
To the rescue comes UBI. The policy was once thought of as a way of taking extreme poverty off the table. In this new incarnation, however, it merely serves as a way to keep the wealthiest people (and their loyal vassals, the software developers) entrenched at the very top of the economic operating system. Because of course, the cash doled out to citizens by the government will inevitably flow to them.
Meanwhile, UBI also obviates the need for people to consider true alternatives to living lives as passive consumers. *Solutions like platform cooperatives, alternative currencies, favor banks, or employee-owned businesses, which actually threaten the status quo under which extractive monopolies have thrived, will seem unnecessary. Why bother signing up for the revolution if our bellies are full? Or just full enough?
i would say.. those aren’t *solutions.. not deep enough.. they too perpetuate the status quo.. of us measuring each other.. measuring transactions.. that’s poison to the soul
No, income is nothing but a booby prize. If we’re going to get a handout, we should demand not an allowance but assets. That’s right: *an ownership stake.
no no no.. *ownership is poison to the soul as well
The wealth gap in the United States has less to do with the difference between people’s salaries than their assets.
doesn’t matter.. both are unhealthy
No amount of short-term entitlements substitute for real assets because *once the money is spent, it’s gone — straight to the very people who already enjoy an excessive asset advantage.
what we want to go after is eudaimoniative surplus.. refilling our missing pieces/holes
*assets can be gone just as easy – we need to go after something that doesn’t burn out..but rather something that makes us come alive.. and keeps us alive.. ie: cure ios city.. because what the world needs most to get there.. is the energy of 7bn alive people
Likewise, if Silicon Valley’s UBI fans really wanted to repair the economic operating system, they should be looking not to universal basic income but universal basic assets, first proposed by Institute for the Future’s Marina Gorbis. As she points out, in Denmark — where people have public access to a great portion of the nation’s resources — a person born into a poor family is just as likely to end up as wealthy as peers born into a wealthier household.
i’d go for universal basic access.. not assets.. the ownership piece is killer.. huge diff
(ubi) It’s hush money.
Whether its proponents are cynical or simply naive, UBI is not the patch we need. A weekly handout doesn’t promote economic equality — much less empowerment. The only meaningful change we can make to the economic operating system is to *distribute ownership, control, and governance of the real world to the people who live in it.
rather.. just *distribute haves/needs.. (no measuring.. just listening).. which will be greatly reduced once all 7bn+ people are doing the thing they can’t not do.. holes filled..
ubi as temp placebo.. but just so that people don’t think about money/measuring for long enough for it to become irrelevant
graeber on bi as thought experiment
36 min – bi provides a good thought experiment.. a way of resetting our brains.. to realize money is this thing we can make appear and disappear.. reset the way we look at livelihood..t
bi as temp placebo.. graeber bi law
Johann Hari (@johannhari101) tweeted at 3:30 PM – 14 Feb 2019 :
When Canada tried a universal basic income in the 1970s in a town called Dauphin, mental illnesses so severe people had to be shut away in hospitals fell by 9% in just 3 years. Financial insecurity is a cause of mental illness; and reducing that insecurity reduces mental illness. (http://twitter.com/johannhari101/status/1096174756976566273?s=17)
Project Greshm (@projectgreshm) tweeted at 4:30 PM – 20 May 2019 :
“Basic income doesn’t cost us anything. Poverty is what’s expensive.” https://t.co/SI0ou0SLco(http://twitter.com/projectgreshm/status/1130601595387961351?s=17)
quote from Alex Howlett @AlexHowlettUBI Basic income enthusiast. Founder at
@projectgreshm. Organizer of the Boston Basic Income discussion group (http://bit.ly/bbiyoutube ). cambridge yang 2020
Sally Hughes (@SallyHughes_) tweeted at 3:57 AM – 7 Jun 2019 :
What if we all had a #basicincome and we could make art and work in our communities #basicincomewales https://t.co/Nk356kpGQM(http://twitter.com/SallyHughes_/status/1136935217116143618?s=17)
gershenfeld something else law
via next system tweet on yang and ubi (and planned obsolescence)
Here’s how @AndrewYang could turn a questionable idea like #UniversalBasicIncome into a way to fundamentally change the economy. #neweconomy https://t.co/hOtsFcHNiG
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/TheNextSystem/status/1168884542926741504
Community currencies tend to be somewhat small in scale and therefore their impact tends to be limited..t
and money (any form of measuring/accounting) that in\tends to keep up the assumption of money ness tends to be limited.. because it’s leaving-in/perpetuating the cancer
we need to try ubi as temp placebo.. for once let’s try/code money (any form of measuring/accounting) as the planned obsolescence
It’s the UBI that provides the rocket fuel for the program. ..up for grabs only for businesses that meet publicly set priorities.. t
we need to focus on curiosity over public priorities/decision-making.. public consensus always oppresses someone
Through a participatory and democratic process, a universally distributed alternative currency would empower communities to build their own economic transitions.
nah.. the cancer is still there.. so only pre scribed transitions would/could ever happen (feedback loop still broken)
The UBI News Hub (@TheUBINewsHub) tweeted at 10:01 AM – 20 Dec 2019 :
Paid To Be Alive: Can Universal Basic Income Change Lives In Sri Lanka?
Imagine a world in which the government grants every individual enough money to cover their basic needs: food, water and shelter. #BasicIncome #SriLanka #FightPoverty
Link: https://t.co/IGuhEG1BCJhttps://t.co/j6QGsVxgKi (http://twitter.com/TheUBINewsHub/status/1208070046922268672?s=17)
Imagine a world in which the government grants every individual enough money to cover their basic needs: food, water and shelter. There are no conditions upon which this money is given and recipients are not even strictly made to use the money on basic needs—they could even use it for non-necessities— if they so choose to.
imagine a world in which we make money obsolete so we can focus on deeper/basic needs: attachment & authenticity – maté basic needs – so that we all have all we need of ie: food, water, shelter
let’s try/code money (any form of measuring/accounting) as the planned obsolescence
ie: ubi as temp placebo..
feb 2020 article by Karl Widerquist @KarlWiderquist
Scott Santens🧢 (@scottsantens) tweeted at 5:32 AM – 10 Feb 2020 :
Some #basicincome news via @basicincomeorg: The Fall and Rise of the Basic Income Movement: My personal reflections after following it for 40 years https://t.co/BRQl10ZY4c (http://twitter.com/scottsantens/status/1226846332750614533?s=17)
today is my 55th birthday and 40th anniversary as a UBI supporter. – first intro at 15 milton friedman show on bi.. This personal account is about how it felt to watch the movement fall and rise.
Almost all benefits in the USA, the UK, and many other countries, have been based on the model of separating the “truly needy” from the “undeserving poor”
Pam said, “then we have to write a paper on it.”
When Michael and I had a draft of a paper (that would take ten years to publish), we looked through academic journals in our fields (economics and sociology) to find people who’d written recently on the issue, and asked them for feedback.
enclosure.. blinding us
Philippe van Parijs; Erik Olin Wright; Guy Standing; Barb Jacobson; Andrew Yang; Scott Santens; ..
I don’t know how long it will take, but I think UBI will win eventually. The conditional welfare state, extreme capitalism, and extreme socialism have consistently failed to solve the underlying problems of inequality, poverty, and privilege. The have failed because even if the know that propertyless is power, they have failed to realize that propertylessness is powerlessness and that making powerlessness the default position of everyone but the 1% is the ultimate class privilege.
? – let’s try/code money (any form of measuring/accounting/propertyness) as the planned obsolescence
ie: ubi as temp placebo..
Could a #BasicIncome be used to fix/mend/save #Capitalism? The folks at the @INSEAD Business School make a compelling case for it, arguing (with some testing needed) that ‘#UBI is the most feasible way to restore mass credibility to capitalism’.
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/BasicIncomeOrg/status/1293458862507347968
and a major reason why we need to code money (any form of measuring/accounting) as the planned obsolescence
ie: ubi as temp placebo.. needs met w/o money..people forget about measuring/accounting..till people forget about measuring transactions
The #BasicIncome experiments around the world. #ASRIfutureleaders
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/SPII1/status/1313768684633174023
the idea of ubi has already been piloted in many places in the world
not ubi .. just bi.. and part\ial ness is keeping us in tragedy of the non common mode.. not really showing us anything.. just spinning our wheels
For people looking for a trial of #basicincome in an industrialised country, check out this one in South Korea: https://t.co/v94cdKsM9a
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/cityeyrie/status/1314871614673166336
6 min video
they receive $220 every 3 months.. no questions asked.. increased to 13 million people.. during corona.. but had to be spent locally
now want to give $430 every month
another ie: $240 every quarter.. to 24 yr olds.. has to be spent locally.. trickle down effect on businesses.. after corona.. went to 13 million.. in order to lift local econ.. so tracking people to see if it does.. then uni prof talks on security issues because of this..governer is using this pitch in next election.. and he’s currently ahead in polls
gotta go deeper.. otherwise just spinning wheels.. and ongoingly de humanizing us all