undisturbed ecosystem


same on issuu:


meadows undisturbed law:

‘in undisturbed ecosystems ..the average individual, species, or population, left to its own devices, behaves in ways that serve and stabilize the whole..’


Thinking in Systems, Dana Meadows ..great insight on systems.. esp loved meadows undisturbed law.. but didn’t seem to follow into other areas.. ie: tragedy of commons wasn’t an undisturbed system (which i think an authentic commons/commoning would be).. i see money/measure as disturbances.. and Dana didn’t seem to..?


‘Even commons communities think about themselves first, and not the totality of the ecosystem.’ @mbauwens commonstransition.org/18186-2/

perhaps then.. not truly commons.. not truly undisturbed ecosystem

@monk51295 could be, but I tend to think of commons as an advance, but not necessarily perfect; they can be improved though, see f.e. “Three more Commons Governance Principles that are necessary to insure inclusion” https://t.co/gXoyKGxxtQ

Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/mbauwens/status/989157613614059520

link goes to ostrom’s 8 on p2p site.. then this:

Three more Commons Governance Principles that are necessary to insure inclusion..Translated by Pascale Garbaye:

“A social aspiration to an equitable development of capabilities motivates collective action

The aim is real access to the resource based on *equity and attention to the most helpless and vulnerable. Access is reflected in practice by the allocated **rights regulating access to the resource

*equity (everyone getting a go everyday) and **rights

if we try listening to all the voices.. everyday.. have/need ness.. will result in less waste and more upcycle of resources

a local and deliberative mode of governance involving the persons who are committed (*procedural freedom) and founded on democratic solidarity based on the recognition of the other as different but equal in dignity.

i’m thinking it has to be *total freedom – (big reason why we haven’t yet gotten to global equity.. can’t seem to let go enough) .. otherwise it’s more like escape from freedom.. and/or voluntary compliance ..and/or manufacturing consent.. undisturbed ecosystem begs we have true freedom

the resource under a common capability (“social resource”) contributes to capabilities and is the subject of a shared judgment about utility, desirability and a vow of fair staffing *constructed through deliberation

perhaps more resourceful if *constructed thru daily curiosity.. ie: cure ios city via 2 convos

Public authorities promoting the *procedural freedom of the players and adopting a posture of co-construction, in addition to the meta-institutional recognition of the rules of the common (Ostrom, 1990)”

let’s go for total freedom..  not part\ial.. for (blank)’s sake…]..  a nother way

Proposed by Geneviève Fontaine (french) in: http://www.bibliobsession.net/2017/11/08/communs-de-capabilites-chainon-manquant/

@monk51295 and I would also argue that there is something like a common field in which the commons operate, and which needs its own institutions and care, i.e. common good institutions beyond contracts of individuals and collectives

Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/mbauwens/status/989157903331397632

thinking Dana Meadowsundisturbed law in her thinking in systems p 109

‘in undisturbed ecosystems ..the average individual, species, or population, left to its own devices, behaves in ways that serve and stabilize the whole..’


via charles

Charles Eisenstein (@ceisenstein) tweeted at 6:00 AM – 25 May 2018 :

Cut off from nature and community, financially insecure, alienated from our bodies, immersed in scarcity, trapped in a tiny, separate self that hungers constantly for its lost beingness, we can do no other than to perpetuate the behavior and systems that cause climate change. (http://twitter.com/ceisenstein/status/999983457991262208?s=17)


from Paul J Rosch page:

“Since intercellular communication plays an important role in maintaining an orderly society, it must be disturbed in the process of carcinogenesis”.

and so too.. in process of civilizing.. begs 2 convers..  to get back to undisturbed ecosystem

“Evidence suggests that blockage of intercellular communication is important in the promotion process of carcinogenesis”.

thurman interconnectedness law



self org

organism as fractal

eudaimoniative surplus

bateson simple/complex law


hari rat park law

moten abolition law



assume good

cast first stone



we have to go meta for this

ginorm/small entropically free meta