johann hari
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adaptation from Johann’s book – chasing the scream – 5 min video:
Everything We Think We Know About Addiction Is Wrong
rat park ness
2 needs – deep enough.. for all of us..
hari rat park law
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intro’d to Johann here:
democracy now interview
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jan/02/johann-hari-interview-drugs-book-independent
fascinating quotes..
The other big change, he says, is that “I lost my taste for rendering judgment on people. I think now I’m more interested in understanding why people are the way they are.”
danger of a single story ness. i know you ness
What Alexander had found is that we’ve fundamentally misunderstood what addiction is. It isn’t a moral failing. It isn’t a disease. Addiction is an adaptation to your environment. It’s not you; it’s the cage you live in.”
“What I learned is that the opposite of addiction is not sobriety,” Hari says. “The opposite of addiction is human connection. And I think that has massive implications for the war on drugs. The treatment of drug addicts almost everywhere in the world is much closer to Tent City than it is to anything in Portugal. Our laws are built around the belief that drug addicts need to be punished to stop them. But if pain and trauma and isolation cause addiction, then inflicting more pain and trauma and isolation is not going to solve that addiction. It’s actually going to deepen it.”
when I ask how his susceptibility relates to his childhood, he falls silent. “Look,” he says eventually, “I can talk to you about why what happened in my life happened. But I just think that’s a way of trying to invite sympathy, and that would be weaselly. If you tell a detailed personal story about yourself, you’re inherently asking people to sympathise with you, and actually I don’t think people should be sympathetic to me. I’m ashamed of what I did. I did some things that were really nasty and cruel.”
The humiliation must have been toe-curling, but when I ask how he dealt with it, he says, “I just think that would be asking people to see it from my point of view.” Sympathy should be for the people he smeared online, for the Independent and its readers: “Not for me.”
The mystery is why someone so clever could have behaved so stupidly. I ask Hari to explain what he’d been thinking, and he literally winces.
“I’m very reluctant to go into a personal narrative and give the why. Most people restrain their self-aggrandising and cruel impulses, and I failed to. I failed badly. I think when you do that, when you harm people, you should shut up, go away and reflect on what happened. Going on about myself would just be arrogant and actually repeating being nasty, and that’s what I’m trying not to be. When you fuck up, you should privately reckon with the harm you have caused and you should pay a big price.”
Most of his friends stood by him through the scandal, and a new one has been Russell Brand, for whom Hari has worked off and on since helping him prepare his 2013 standup tour, Messiah Complex. “We have long political conversations, and sometimes that sparks something useful for him, and then I send him links or books about what we’ve discussed.” He helps produce Brand’s podcast, the Trews, but when I ask about the rumours that he ghost-wrote Revolution, he laughs. “No. I didn’t write a word of it. As I suspect anyone who reads it can tell, those are all Russell’s words.”
when I ask if he thinks the register of public debate is becoming dangerous, he smiles. “Funnily enough, one of the good things about not being a columnist is that I don’t have to have an opinion on things like this. You’re probably right, and it sounds very persuasive to me, but I don’t want to join an angry argument against angry arguments.”
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..the opposite of addiction is not sobriety. It is human connection.
There is an alternative. You can build a system that is designed to help drug addicts to reconnect with the world – and so leave behind their addictions.This isn’t only relevant to the addicts I love. It is relevant to all of us, because it forces us to think differently about ourselves. Human beings are bonding animals. We need to connect and love. The wisest sentence of the twentieth century was E.M. Forster’s – only connect. But we have created an environment and a culture that cut us off from connection, or offer only the parody of it offered by the internet. The rise of addiction is a symptom of a deeper sickness in the way we live – constantly directing our gaze towards the next shiny object we should buy, rather than the human beings all around us.
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interview (video) on democracy now – feb 2015:
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/2/4/johann_hari_everything_we_know_about
it’s your cage/environment… in need of a rat park..
44 min – if driver is isolation, pain, distress… policy focused on inflicting more.. is crazy
we have created a society where huge numbers of our fellow citizens can’t bear to be present in their lives .. and have to medicate themselves to get through the day..
[adding hari present in society law.. day after watching john nash doc]
there’s is nothing that preps us for the hyper-individualist/capitalist society like yours and mine
interview – part 2:
http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2015/2/6/part_2_johann_hari_on_everything
Gabor – the only injection clinic
7 min – right from the start – criminals are not only the ones who benefit from war on drugs.. they paid for it (bribed narcotics officers) – criminal gangs.. only ones that have profited from drug war
all she needed was help
there’s a much better way
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jan 2015
Scientists May Have Discovered The Real Cause Of Addiction
http://elitedaily.com/news/world/scientists-may-discovered-real-cause-addiction/915030/
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2011
Why the British Royal Wedding Frenzy Should Embarrass Us All (Democracy Now!) 1 of 2
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find/follow Johann:
Author of 2 New York Times best-selling books. Latest: ‘LOST CONNECTIONS: Uncovering The Real Causes of Depression – and the Unexpected Solutions’
London
his site: https://2018.johannhari.com/
his books:
chasing the scream
lost connections
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talk with Naomi feb 2015 in toronto – via democracy now:
http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2015/3/11/johann_hari_naomi_klein_does_capitalism
10 min – bruce alexander – not your morality, not your brain, it’s your cage
the having something you want to do ness
isolation and pain cause the addiction… currently – we infuse more isolation and pain to try to get people to stop..
we’ve created society where people can’t bear to be without being drugged… opposite of addiction – human connection
15 min – bud osborn – pulling together homeless to watch after each other.. finds out about injecting rooms in frankfurt – death by overdose down by 80% and life expectancy up by 10 yrs
20 min – juries and aa mtgs… only times we come together to talk anymore..
21 min – bruce – we need to talk much more about social recovery – not just individual recovery
fossil fuels are connection severing machines – helps us be so isolated… why it’s so hard to get off them as well.. – naomi
22 min – thinking we could do this (change) on our own… is a product of the triumph of capitalism.. – naomi
cruelest thing you can do is cut off what the person loves
27 min – truth.. cuts through all the noise (on how much Johann’s writings has been shared)
tough love is treating people like shit – struck a chord
40 min – the anti-therapy: further isolation
51 min – obviously the systemic/historic tie is about control
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june 2015 – tedgloballondon – almost everything we think we know about addiction is wrong
people experiment like rat park – vietnam – we should have had more addicts – because they were all using
7 min – core part of addiction – not being able to bear to be present in your life
Gabor Maté – how we’ve designed perfect space for addiction to flourish
9 min – goal – to make sure everyone has a reason to get out of bed in the morning…
Bill McKibben – we’ve traded floor space for friends
12 min – on the script we’re told of how to deal with addicts: shape up or we’ll cut you off… that’s like the importing of the drug war into our private lives..
but rather… i love you – unconditional. you’re not alone.
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july 2015
This phone-in on South African radio was the most emotional conversation I’ve had anywhere about addiction & my book bit.ly/1UxDkCG
4 min – Bruce – 70s – rat park – it’s not your morality.. it’s not your brain.. it’s your cage.. we have an innate need to bond…when we’re healthy and happy we do that.. when we can’t we bond with something that gives us a sense of relief..
8 min – Gabor – if we wanted to design a system to maintain our state.. we have it
10 min – on having something you want to be present for in your life.. rather than not being able to bear being present…
12 min – portugal decriminalization of drugs – on having something to get out of bed everyday for
13 min – 90% of drug use non-problematic
15 min – do we create the bonds for people..? replacing one bond with another.. we don’t get addicted to drugs.. we bond to drugs
16 min – Bruce – in addiction we talk a lot about individual recovery.. but also need to look at social recovery
18 min – scandinavia
19 min – anyone who loves an addict is going to be mad at them a lot of the time.. ie: should just stop.. evidence of cutting off ties… is showing devastating results.. but rather unconditional love
21 min – half approach ness… (caller)
partial ness
alcohol per 100000 650 die; cocaine 4 die
23 min – on why drugs banned – start of drug war – america/britain in a complete race panic – associated with african and chinese americans
24 min – when you punish addicts.. addiction gets worse.
27 min – we have a system that makes it easier for kids to get illegal drugs
28 min – if you are in terrible pain – you will find a way to not be present in your life – reduce that by making life more bearable for people
29 min – if we can’t connect with each other.. we will connect with anything we can
35 min – on letting things hit rock bottom… i’m very wary of that.. with deterioration.. people often get worse… the more you can make your love unconditional… i suggest is the best way.. though i can’t judge others
39 min – story of Bud Osborn – homeless addict organizing – ie: safe injecting rooms
42 min – you are so much more powerful than you know..
43 min – we gave the drug war a fair shot.. 100 yrs, 1 trill dollars..
totally reasonable to be afraid of the alternatives.. but when you seem them in action
47 min – we actually have system of anarchy now.. so much illegal going on in secret, ie: when alcohol was banned… had dealers – ie: al capone.. now none of that..
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I keep being asked what I think about the crystal meth/ ice epidemic, esp in light of Australia’s crisis. My answer: bit.ly/1DNViMZ
I began to ask, what is happening with the 10 to 15 percent who do become addicts? What’s different about them?
[..]what Rat Park, and a whole raft of new evidence, tells us is: addiction isn’t about the drug. It’s about the pain inside the addict, which is there long before they find their drug. This pain goes beyond poverty
[..]Increasing emotional pain increases addiction.
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Portugal .. the government decriminalise all drugs, from cannabis to crack; but – and this is crucial – to spend all the money we use to waste on punishment on reconnecting addicts with their society. So they spent it partly on compassionate therapy in the community for addicts, and primarily on a huge job-creation program for addicts. Every addict was given a good, subsidised job in the real world. Every one of them had a reason to get out of bed in the morning. Every one of them had connections to the wider society. Every one of them was listened to, and told they were loved, valued and needed. The cage had been changed.
imagine even better than a better cage.. beyond work.. a reason to get up everyday .. that is insatiable.. not just a job.. but the thing you can’t not do..
The only thing that works – and it works wherever it has been tried – is to love addicts deeply, and unconditionally, and to slowly, patiently rebuild their connections with the wider society, step by step, one day at a time, on our streets.
on the need for all of us.. to let the dance dance.. (and to hasten relief for many)
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aug 2015 – How To End The War on Drugs: at Politics and Prose book store, in Washington DC
7 min – Billie never stopped singing that song… war on drugs was a hysteria on race… ie: Judy vs Billie
9 min – Chino – father nypd, mother crack addict.. internal dynamics of drug dealing… stealing from liquor call cops.. stealing from dealer.. can’t call cops.. so violence….. Chino – this isn’t law of nature.. doesn’t have to be this way..
14 min – juarez… when the cartels want to kill someone they pay police to do it.. they have more money than the police
17 min – if you criminalize something that lots of people want.. it doesn’t go away. it’s transferred to armed criminal gangs..
19 min – Gabor – on heroin not addictive, ie: hospital use.. Bruce – on rat park – addiction is an adaptation to your environment.. live experiment – vietnam
22 min – what is it about us that so many don’t want to be present in their lives
23 min – Bud O – vancouver (homeless street addict saved thousands of peoples lives)
25 min – Philipp Owen.. on going to the people in cognito.. life change..
27 min – portugal – decriminalization – everything (bad) we though would happen.. didn’t
31 min – q&a starts
32 min – q on politicizing this getting in the way.. Carl, Bruce, et al… on scientific ness.. Johann saying would be nice if we had a non-political space.. but we dont.. so we need to face political ness
37 min – al capone.. alcohol.. crips.. drugs.. where are the capones now
the war on drugs creates a war for drugs.. charles bowden ..if you ban something everyone wants.. killing ensues
39 min – how mexican zetas started..
40 min – q: on bs of veterans coming back and being fine.. then on rat park.. some people that aren’t responding.. there is an underlying mental illness in any addiction.. have to treat underlying mental illness
because whole world ness… as the day ness…
a: mri studies.. show correlation not causation… ie: taxi drivers…hippocampus… larger.. but wasn’t pre existing.. so drug addict brain has been hijacked.. vast majority of nam… there were some that didn’t.. thing about pre disposition to addiction.. true.. but most on early childhood…
q: your book gives impression of saying either good or bad rat box..
a: evidence is huge that environment is huge factor.. no single problem… you’re right.. complicated menu of causes.. also about marijuana.. if was driver of psychosis.. you’re driving.. when use rises should see rises..
q: you don’t deal with the ones that have a pre existing condition where environment won’t help
47 min – on prescription drugs.. on swiss heroin clinics.. almost everyone once the chaos of street life stops.. they cut down because reality is more bearable..
51 min – when illegal – more try to get it in dangerous spaces
54 min – q: how do you create a rat park here.. don’t you have to change the whole context of america..
indeed.. deep/simple/open enough.. systemic
a: if what it takes is a radical change. ..it takes a radical change.. good reason for radical change.. ie: climate change
58 min – q: on Johann’s history… and how these quotes are live on site and fact checked..
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Johann Eduard Hari (born 21 January 1979) is a British writer and journalist who has written regular columns for The Independent (London) and The Huffington Post and made contributions to several other publications. In 2011, he was suspended from The Independent following multiple charges of plagiarism and was separately accused of making malicious edits of several of his critics’ Wikipedia pages under apseudonym, an allegation he later admitted to. The exposed plagiarism led to his being forced to return his 2008 Orwell Prize and later was a contributing factor in his leaving The Independent.
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jan 2016
Roger Waters explains why we need to legalize drugs – and read ‘Chasing The Scream’
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@johannhari101After last one went viral, somebody has made another animated video based on my book (I didn’t write this one) bit.ly/1RiQQvR
via @piikzorg
7 min – addicts are not a result of chemistry but of problems in our society ..7 min – expand on b alexander findings –
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Johann Hari (@johannhari101) tweeted at 3:00 PM – 23 Nov 2016 :
Who would have imagined, 70 years ago, that the last sane place on earth would turn out to be Germany? #StrangeDays (http://twitter.com/johannhari101/status/801546053677961225?s=17)
Johann Hari (@johannhari101) tweeted at 5:30 AM – 25 Nov 2016 :
#TipForWriters Stories are more persuasive than arguments, and more true to human life. Don’t argue. Narrate. (http://twitter.com/johannhari101/status/802127339555553280?s=17)
Johann Hari (@johannhari101) tweeted at 5:30 AM – 24 Nov 2016 :
When you hear about ‘drug-related violence’, always remember this: https://t.co/Jq3fUkBZ07 (http://twitter.com/johannhari101/status/801764837252595712?s=17)
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Johann Hari (@johannhari101) tweeted at 6:18 AM – 17 Jul 2017 :
The myth of the place where the war on drugs worked: https://t.co/2RWBlYg20c My latest article (http://twitter.com/johannhari101/status/886923110645202946?s=17)
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great news:
@johannhari101
I just finished reading the first draft of the screenplay for the movie adaptation of my book Chasing The Scream. Super-excited now.
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Johann Hari (@johannhari101) tweeted at 9:46 AM on Wed, Aug 16, 2017:
This is a revelatory book – it’ll change how you think https://t.co/MVjIiQvTpZ
(https://twitter.com/johannhari101/status/897846930411323394?s=03)
so i read the knowledge illusion.. because of this rec from Johann
best part:
147
crowdsourcing creates intelligent machines, but not thru ai wizardry..intelligence derives from making use of the community..the advance here is not in intelligence in the conventional sense. it is in the power of connecting people
so let’s just focus on that.. ie: 2 convos
be\cause: hari addiction law.. opposite of addiction is connection
but too much put it on my frustrating book list..
be\casuse: based on too many ie’s/assumptions of man-made institutions – knowledge illusions (ie: money; production; measuring; et al)
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Johann Hari (@johannhari101) tweeted at 5:00 AM – 7 Oct 2017 :
I was on the excellent Leap UK podcast – we had a charged but constructive set of disagreements, have a listen https://t.co/nnM5mrTiOl https://t.co/rmTP1qwG9z (http://twitter.com/johannhari101/status/916619307802595328?s=17)
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lost connections
Johann Hari (@johannhari101) tweeted at 6:45 AM on Wed, Oct 25, 2017:
This is the book I have been researching for the past 3 years – it’s out in January: https://t.co/Uqde57H1aJ
(https://twitter.com/johannhari101/status/923168639544635393?s=03)
recommended to library to purchase.. and put on hold if/when they do.. thank you library
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Johann Hari (@johannhari101) tweeted at 5:30 AM – 14 Dec 2017 :
In Vancouver, I explained to the brilliant @TravisLupnik and @georgiastraight why the city should be proud of the Downtown East Side https://t.co/dprD5OtGByhttps://t.co/3dCbdDt1Vc (http://twitter.com/johannhari101/status/941284235624796161?s=17)
“In the long arc of our understanding of addiction, and in the movement from shame and stigma towards love and compassion, the Downtown Eastside will play an absolutely central part in that story and that understanding,” Hari explained..t
“The PHS pioneered this model of unconditional housing for people with addiction problems,” Hari said. “No one in the world had ever done that before.”
“When someone is choosing an extremely powerful anesthetic [like heroin], that is because they are in an extreme amount of pain,” he said. “We’ve got to look at the deep, underlying causes of that pain.”..t
“Having done all this research and learned that addiction is not caused primarily by the drugs, but caused by this deep sense of pain that people are trying to treat, then the immediate question was, what is driving this pain?” Hari said. “It left me asking, why do so many people in our culture feel disconnected?”..t
“So Lost Connections is the story of this very long journey that I went on, this three-year journey across the world, to try to understand, what is making us feel disconnected? And how do we reconnect?”
can’t wait
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Johann Hari (@johannhari101) tweeted at 3:00 PM on Fri, Jan 05, 2018:
This is one of the 9 reasons I lay out in my book for why so many of us are depressed and anxious: https://t.co/ZnB88XlJo7
(https://twitter.com/johannhari101/status/949400202640875521?s=03)bees need a hive. humans need a tribe. we are the first humans to try to live w/o one and it’s making us depressed and anxious
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Jeff Lieberman fb share
Really important for anyone interested in mental health or w a history of depression. As someone who had depression for about 15 years, I was told it was a chemical imbalance and the solution (chemicals) never helped beyond symptomatically (spoiler: fake pharma research).
I had to find out what it was I was “depressing.” Anger, unmet needs, loneliness. Only by expressing what was held in did the depression begin to move. I look forward to the day this is taken as common knowledge, as well as the ways to work with it that for me took so long to uncover.
let’s try this .. 2 convos .. as the day..
a means to practice hari rat park law
“If you are depressed and anxious, you are not a machine with malfunctioning parts. You are a human being with unmet needs. The only real way out of our epidemic of despair is for all of us, together, to begin to meet those human needs – for deep connection, to the things that really matter in life.”
All over the world, they were being encouraged to tell patients that depression is, in fact, just the result of a spontaneous chemical imbalance in your brain – it is produced by low serotonin, or a natural lack of some other chemical. It’s not caused by your life – it’s caused by your broken brain.
The grief exception seemed to have blasted a hole in the claim that the causes of depression are sealed away in your skull.
We act like human distress can be assessed solely on a checklist that can be separated out from our lives, and labelled as brain diseases. If we started to take people’s actual lives into account when we treat depression and anxiety, Joanne explained, it would require “an entire system overhaul”. She told me that when “you have a person with extreme human distress, [we need to] stop treating the symptoms. The symptoms are a messenger of a deeper problem. Let’s get to the deeper problem.”
I found there is evidence that seven specific factors in the way we are living today are causing depression and anxiety to rise – alongside two real biological factors (such as your genes) that can combine with these forces to make it worse.
We all know that when you take selfies, you take 30 pictures, throw away the 29 where you look bleary-eyed or double-chinned, and pick out the best one to be your Tinder profile picture. It turned out that the drug companies – who fund almost all the research into these drugs – were taking this approach to studying chemical antidepressants. They would fund huge numbers of studies, throw away all the ones that suggested the drugs had very limited effects, and then only release the ones that showed success.
It turns out that between 65 and 80% of people on antidepressants are depressed again within a year. I had thought that I was freakish for remaining depressed while on these drugs. In fact, Kirsch explained to me in Massachusetts, I was totally typical.
This led Professor Kirsch to ask a more basic question, one he was surprised to be asking. How do we know depression is even caused by low serotonin at all? When he began to dig, it turned out that the evidence was strikingly shaky. Professor Andrew Scull of Princeton, writing in the Lancet, explained that attributing depression to spontaneously low serotonin is “deeply misleading and unscientific”. Dr David Healy told me: “There was never any basis for it, ever. It was just marketing copy.”
I kept learning that, in very different ways, we have become disconnected from things we really need, and this deep disconnection is driving this epidemic of depression and anxiety all around us.
It turns out if you have no control over your work, you are far more likely to become stressed – and, crucially, depressed. Humans have an innate need to feel that what we are doing, day-to-day, is meaningful.
However, my journey was not simply about finding the reasons why we feel so bad. The core was about finding out how we can feel better – how we can find real and lasting antidepressants that work for most of us, beyond only the packs of pills we have been offered as often the sole item on the menu for the depressed and anxious. I kept thinking about what Dr Cacciatore had taught me – we have to deal with the deeper problems that are causing all this distress.
To them, finding an antidepressant didn’t mean finding a way to change your brain chemistry. It meant finding a way to solve the problem that was causing the depression in the first place
I wanted to tell him (my young self): “This pain you are feeling is not a pathology. It’s not crazy. It is a signal that your natural psychological needs are not being met. It is a form of grief – for yourself, and for the culture you live in going so wrong. .. It is telling you that you need to be connected in so many deep and stirring ways that you aren’t yet – but you can be, one day.”
If you are depressed and anxious, you are not a machine with malfunctioning parts. You are a human being with unmet needs. The only real way out of our epidemic of despair is for all of us, together, to begin to meet those human needs – for deep connection, to the things that really matter in life.
wish we could talk Johann
ie: hlb via 2 convos that io dance.. as the day..[aka: not part\ial.. for (blank)’s sake…].. a nother way
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What really causes depression and anxiety, and how do we really solve it? I have loads of interviews coming up on this – here’s one of the first: https://t.co/YjhOST9Uzk
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/johannhari101/status/950492841075240962
5 min – journey for this book – to scientists..researchers.. looking for .. why depression.. ie: amish community low in depression.. place using psychedelics.. place using..
7 min – 1\ i was doing everything culture told me to do.. and why still depressed.. 2\ why were so many others in same boat.. so what is actually causing this.. found.. no evidence it’s caused by chemical imbalance.. can’t even say discredited.. it was never credited.. actually told by pharma
12 min – first thought depression was all in my head.. then all in my skull.. found out neither..
15 min – increasingly living in a culture that does not meet people’s basic psychological needs.. t
detox via maté basic needs.. in rat park
18 min – 2 things make you depressed in work 1\ not in control 2\ imbalance between effort and rewards
let’s go beyond work.. because ie: true freedom isn’t based on rewards..
20 min – solution – coop bike shop
super.. but not what we’re capable of.. ie: still working w money and rewards and measuring things
25 min – 3 causes: 1\ biological 2\ social (meaningless work, loneliness) 3\ psych (how we think about selves.. how we’ve been made to see world)
26 min – role of childhood trauma..leading dr in san diego.. vincent.. in 80s.. obesity.. discovered 55% of them were sexually abused.. ugly to no longer objectified.. this thing we see as a pathology has an obvious reasonable source..t
32 min – serotonin story.. successful beyond big pharma.. because there’s a relief i being told there’s a reason.. because one thing going on here is a huge amount of shame
33 min – as a child can tell yourself two stories.. 1\ not in control – another person’s problem 2\ my fault – regain element of control.. carries over in toxic way
38 min – just getting to talk about it.. reduction of shame.. helped their mental state.. shame kills you.. giving people a place to reduce their shame..
39 min – releasing someone’s shame is an anti depressant..t
40 min – dsm dilemma of 10 signs of depression.. so if grieving.. mentally ill.. then to.. why is losing someone you love the only thing that counters..?
41 min – joann – once you consider context..
42 min – we grief because we love.. because we’ve had a profound connection.. giving meds.. is a profound misunderstanding
43 min – on grieving for our own needs not being met
45 min – i don’t think apps will solve it
yet – embedded in an ecosystem.. ie: 2 convos
46 min – listen to one addicts life story.. and come back and tell me it’s that their amygdala is malfunctioning.. this exclusively biological story.. an insult to people’s pain (joann)
we just do not get human suffering.. ie: if baby dies at 10 am diagnosed w depression/mental ill at 10:01
49 min – (interviewer) – we don’t allow people time to deal w pain.. society wants you to take a pill.. shiny it away..
50 min – 1970s.. most important experiment in book.. about giving people people back time.. 3 yrs.. ubi.. loads of good things happened.. most interesting.. significant fall in mental health problems.. (ubi as anti depressant)
52 min – junk food taking over.. but junk values are taking over..
54 min – two kinds of values – intrinsic (thing in itself gives you joy) and extrinsic (to get something else out of it).. more extrinsic.. more you’ll be hallow.. can really poison
needing incentive.. sign it’s the wrong thing
57 min – primed to love plastic over meaningful relationships… we are products of our culture..
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livestream rsa – jan 18 2018
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-MgYy2hfaU]
29 min – if you feel like people are taking away your story.. and that’s all they’re doing.. that’s devastating..t
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Johann Hari (@johannhari101) tweeted at 6:00 AM on Sat, Jan 20, 2018:
1 of the parts of my research I found most interesting was interviewing scientists giving psychedelics to depressed/anxious ppl. They found it works – not because it flicks a chemical switch but bc it gives an insight abt connection. I explain in this vid: https://t.co/ryQKpJwJyt
(https://twitter.com/johannhari101/status/954700085748695040?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Egmail%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E0)
30 min video from july 2018
3 min – (on women who was referring to when she was a kid and said.. when i was alive).. a much deeper crisis.. she’s cut off of everything meaningful in life.. deprived of any kind of hopeful future..
4 min – we’ve had a story where we’ve told people.. your malfunction is because of an malfunction in your head.. that story is not enough to explain what has been happening with us.. we need to stop thinking about chemical (only) imbalances.. and start thinking about social/spiritual imbalances.. and that’s when i started looking at psychedelics
7 min – on finding he could meditate – how to have spiritual experiences.. studies in 50s and 60s.. giving lsd to alcoholics et al
13 min – on feeling a tremendous connection w the world.. the word that literally everyone i talked to said – connection.. 95% said most meaningful experience in entire life.. some even more than birth of child..
16 min – 80% stop smoking after 3 doses.. nicotine patches – 17%
17 min – two subfindings.. 1\ positive outcome correlates w how intense the experience 2\ long time deep meditators recognized these feelings/states.. something about the insight the comes from these psych drugs
19 min – one of the catches – feeling – i’m connected to whole world.. but then go back to environ..t
21 min – ie: the root to a good life is to buy shit..opposite values.. so becomes depressed again
22 min – drugs offer insight about a diff direction.. when stop taking them.. have to find a way to act on those values in their lives.. how do we re arrange our societies so we can live connected..t
25 min – scientists said: decriminalize all drugs.. take all that money.. and spend it on helping people to re connect..
ie: hlb via 2 convos that io dance.. as the day..[aka: not part\ial.. for (blank)’s sake…].. a nother way
27 min – how do we take down those walls.. for some.. it’s psych’s
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Johann Hari (@johannhari101) tweeted at 10:25 AM on Wed, Jan 24, 2018:
I discussed one of the most neglected causes of depression and anxiety – childhood trauma – on one of my favourite news shows. You can watch here if you are interested https://t.co/pcFB7BFV41
(https://twitter.com/johannhari101/status/956216514717343744?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Egmail%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E0)28 min – you are not a machine w broken parts.. you are a human w unmet needs..
ie: maté basic needs
30 min – evidence is out there.. and people in power are talking about it.. ie: beyond chemical ness.. but the world is perpetuating this
31 min – evelyn forget: that’s an anti-depressant.. (social ties)
32 min – krishna.. no sign of health
33 min – depression and anxiety are not what we were told they are.. we’re not crazy.. it’s healthy to feel this way.. a signal that something is wrong
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Johann Hari (@johannhari101) tweeted at 1:45 AM on Fri, Jan 26, 2018:
Depression has the same symptoms as grief. I came to think, as I looked at lots of scientific evidence, that this tells us something: https://t.co/m82S1DayC3
(https://twitter.com/johannhari101/status/956810242532265984?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Egmail%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E0)
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Johann Hari (@johannhari101) tweeted at 6:35 AM – 28 Jan 2018 :
The real causes of depression have been discovered – and they are not what you think. My latest article, for the Huffington Post – https://t.co/d88SM9KSGa (http://twitter.com/johannhari101/status/957608177486499840?s=17)
Just being able to discuss the trauma led to a huge fall in future illnesses ― there was a 35-percent reduction in their need for medical care over the following year. For the people who were referred to more extensive help, there was a fall of more than 50 percent.
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I started to find a whole blast of scientific evidence that depression and anxiety are not caused in our skulls, but by the way many of us are being made to live. There are real biological factors, like your genes, that can make you significantly more sensitive to these causes, but they are not the primary drivers..t
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When people are behaving in apparently self-destructive ways, “it’s time to stop asking what’s wrong with them,” he said, “and time to start asking what happened to them.”
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Johann Hari (@johannhari101) tweeted at 7:51 AM on Wed, Jan 31, 2018:
I was interviewed from one of my favourite US radio shows, the wonderful Chicago-based This Is Hell – we discussed some aspects of Lost Connections that haven’t come up in other interviews https://t.co/NvqU0yTPdz
(https://twitter.com/johannhari101/status/958714468061597697?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Egmail%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E0)43 min – desperate need for belonging.. filling it with toxic things.. because no one seems to be offering something better
alt: a nother way
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Johann Hari (@johannhari101) tweeted at 5:10 AM on Sat, Jan 27, 2018:
This has been one of my favourite interviews so far about my new book, Lost Connections: https://t.co/4VZpTDM5HN
(https://twitter.com/johannhari101/status/957224281599107072?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Egmail%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E0)36 min – i think it’s kind of cruel to say to people.. hey.. you can change your life.. actually.. a lot of people can’t change their lives.. the way our society works.. and that’s why it’s the job of everyone else to change the society.. so that they are able to change their lives..t
make depressed people feel even worse if perhaps are trapped
1:06 – incredible transformations can happen..that will improve everyone’s life.. t
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Democracy Now! (@democracynow) tweeted at 5:55 AM – 1 Feb 2018 :
And, author @johannhari101 talks about his new book on mental illness and anxiety, “Lost Connections: Uncovering The Real Causes of Depression – and the Unexpected Solutions.” 8-9AM ET: https://t.co/Xup8cdtnFBhttps://t.co/2yknKqk3rM (http://twitter.com/democracynow/status/959047451586985987?s=17)
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one stressor at work: feeling controlled
[https://www.facebook.com/BigThinkdotcom/videos/1667278533384264/]
if control at work is one of the drivers..
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Johann Hari (@johannhari101) tweeted at 1:00 AM on Mon, Sep 03, 2018:
In an age where people have learned to talk all the time in sarcasm and rage to mask their pain, one of the most radical things you can do is to speak plainly and sincerely about the things that really matter.
(https://twitter.com/johannhari101/status/1036509129664290817?s=03)
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Johann Hari (@johannhari101) tweeted at 1:00 AM on Wed, Nov 21, 2018:
I am 39 years old. For most of the years I have been alive, depression has increased across the Western world. We’re doing something wrong – and we need to have a nuanced, empathetic conversation about what that is, and how to put it right.
(https://twitter.com/johannhari101/status/1065152930284740608?s=03)
rat park for people via gershenfeld something else law
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Addiction and Connection: Glenn Greenwald interviews author Johann Hari
The Intercept (@theintercept) tweeted at 6:23 AM – 2 Dec 2018 :
Watch: Addiction, depression, the opioid epidemic — what are they telling us? A discussion with Johann Hari. https://t.co/q9IKoM8ma5 by @ggreenwald (http://twitter.com/theintercept/status/1069220533445758976?s=17)
45 min video
24 min – g: seeming paradox: tech that would foster greatest amount of human connectedness ever known to humanity at same time loneliness seems to increase.. leading to things like need for drugs to anesthetize the pain..t
begs we redirect augmenting intellect to augmenting interconnectedness
26 min – j: a lot of the causes of depression and anxiety were already supercharged before the internet comes along.. what happens is the internet arrives and it looks a lot like the things we’ve lost ie: friends; status; .. like all addictions it’s an attempt to fill a hole that doesn’t quite work..t
almaas holes law.. begs we address maté basic needs .. via 2 convers as infra
getting the missing pieces back toward our whole ness [almaas holes law].. toward our undisturbed ecosystem
27 min – j: tim kasser on well being
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Kasser
Tim Kasser (August 1, 1966) is an American psychologist and book author known for his work on materialism and well-being.
41 min – j: switzerland – got to 0 overdoses – 1\ gave you drug in safe ness 2\ supports you in reasons why you were taking in first place until no longer want the drug.. us is doing the opposite 1\ cut off supply 2\ criminalize/isolate
42 min – j: bruce alexander – ‘we talk a lot about individual recovery.. we need to talk more about social recovery’ ..t
43 min – g: we talk so little about the human component.. why we seek these drugs in first place..t
mufleh humanity law: we have seen advances in every aspect of our lives except our humanity – Luma Mufleh
and we’re back to augmenting interconnectedness
44 min – j: these crises are signals.. telling us something really important: we’ve built a society where people’s basic psychological needs are not being met.. and what people are doing is pathologizing these signals.. ie: just an imbalance in brain; et al.. that stops us hearing the signal..t
45 min – j: if we don’t listen.. and hear that signal.. we will never find our way out of this..t
begs a mech to listen to every voice.. everyday.. ie: tech as it could be..
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Johann Hari (@johannhari101) tweeted at 4:54 AM on Fri, Mar 01, 2019:
I have had lots of conversations about the real causes of depression & anxiety since my book came out, but I think this one with @drchatterjeeuk was my favourite. What a thoughtful and compassionate person. Have a https://t.co/Fva5ZX5ebN
(https://twitter.com/johannhari101/status/1101450539798355968?s=03)starts 7 min – part 1
8 min – depressing that the one thing that unites us all is the fact that we’re so miserable.. people know something wrong in how we’ve been talking about amount of pain .. and hungry for new ways of talking about it and new solutions..t
12 min – sci evidence for 9 causes of depression 2 of 9 in bio.. but most of cases of depression/anxiety are not in our biology but in the way we’re living.. once you understand that that gives diff explanation and for how we get out of it..t
15 min – we are the first humans ever to try to disband our tribes – john cacioppo..t
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_T._Cacioppo
16 min – all human beings have natural psych needs and we’ve been getting less and less good at meeting those needs.. (telling ourselves we should be alone.. do it yourself).. people aren’t crazy/weak .. to feel the pain of that..t
getting the missing pieces back toward our whole ness [almaas holes law].. toward our undisturbed ecosystem
18 min – loneliness is a necessary signal to get you back to the tribe.. – john cacioppo..t.. we’ve cut people off from understanding that deeper sources of pain..t
19 min – it’s beautiful and inspiring.. how close to the surface the answers are once you understand the problem correctly.. t
people depressed for perfectly good reasons
21 min – exposure to the natural world is a really powerful antidepressant.. rhythms.. t
the most effective strategies for dealing with depression/anxiety are the ones that deal with the reasons why we feel so bad in the first place..t
r: on looking for the root cause and social prescribing
32 min – dr vincent felitti (ace – started by studying obesity cure) – stop asking what’s wrong with you and start asking what happened to you
33 min – just 5 min of an authority figure saying.. i’m really sorry .. that should never happened to you.. that alone led to a really significant fall in depression/anxiety.. James W. Pennebaker: ‘it’s not the trauma.. it’s the shame about the trauma’..t
40 min – junk values have taken over our minds and made us sick.. Tim Kasser: ‘the more you think life is about money/status.. the more likely you are to become depressed/anxious’ .. because living that way doesn’t meet your needs as a human being – one key reason for youth suicide rates increase is this deep corruption of values..t
Tim Kasser: ‘we live in a machine that is designed to get us to neglect what is important in life’
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Kasser
48 min – just giving people permission to know what they know in their own hearts..t
53 min – 10 b industry to take drugs.. 0 b industry to go gardening
56 min – how people feel about work – most don’t like it and it’s spreading over most of the day.. what do we know about whether this is having an affect on mental health.. related to if you have control at work or not.. this isn’t an argument to take control over your job.. it’s an argument for bigger social change
control ness
65 – r: how can we reframe what we’re doing to look at the bigger picture
when individuals see selves part of wider tapestry..
thurman interconnectedness law
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ted summit july 2019
Yay! My Ted talk – ‘This could be why you’re depressed or anxious’ – has had 2.7 million views in its first month. People are ready for a different perspective on this. Have a watch: https://t.co/WrqB5Xd5H3
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/johannhari101/status/11884252739072737293 min – most of the factors (of depression) are not in our biology .. but in the way we live..
everybody has natural – deep – underlying- psychological needs.. and we’ve gotten worse and worse at this
begs we take a break.. reset.. focus on just two .. that are at the core of everyone – maté basic needs
6 min – cow as anti depressant in cambodia
13 min – if depressed.. not weird/crazy.. not a machine w broken parts.. you’re a human being with unmet needs
think less about chem imbalances but imbalances in the way we live.. where do we even begin w that insight
ie: a nother way to live
11 min – 2 causes/2 solutions:
1\ we are the loneliest society.. we’re the first humans ever to disband our tribes..
john cacioppo – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_T._Cacioppo
sam everington – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Everington ..?
social prescribing – ie: work in garden and end up forming a tribe
13 min – when people feel down in this culture.. what we say to them .. you just need to be you.. be yourself.. actually what we need to say to people is.. don’t be you .. don’t be yourself.. be us.. be we.. be part of a group
rather.. both.. simultaneous.. ie: 2 convers as infra
brown belonging law: the opposite of belonging.. is fitting in.. true belonging doesn’t require you to change who you are.. it requires you to be who you are.. and that’s vulnerable.. –Brené Brown
doesn’t depend on relying on individualist resources.. but relying on something bigger than yourself..
2\ junk values have taken over our minds and made us mentally sick.. ie: money about money/status..
tim kasser – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Kasser
his 30 yr research: the more you believe you can display/buy your way out of sadness.. more depressed..
we’ve been trained to look for joy in all the wrong sources.. kasser: at some level we all know this.. but don’t live by it.. we live in a machine that is designed to get us to neglect what is important about life..
from supposed to’s.. of school/work.. making us whales in sea world
kasser wanted to figure out if we can disrupt that machine..
aa for consumerism.. articulate values.. led to a marked shift in people’s values..
self-talk as data and detox
why did it take me so long to see these insights.. not like rocket science.. we have to change our understanding of what depression/anxiety actually are.. if we allow bio to become the whole culture.. what we’re saying is .. your pain doesn’t mean anything.. it’s just a malfunction.. your depression is not a malfunction.. it’s a signal.. telling you something..
first step.. we have to stop insulting these signals.. (weakness/madness) and start.. listening to these signals..
self-talk as data and detox..
ie: 2 convers as infra via tech as it could be..
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Johann Hari (@johannhari101) tweeted at 4:00 PM on Tue, Oct 29, 2019:
“Codependency” is the natural, necessary and healthy state of all humans, & only a sick culture would use this term to pathologize people.
(https://twitter.com/johannhari101/status/1189300914512977920?s=03)
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be you. 