Steven Johnson interviews Brian:
i don’t think art has anything intrinsically.. i think we create the value..
i think when something’s exciting to you.. what’s exciting is you’re hearing the latest sentence in a conversation you’ve been having all your life…
when i started making ambient music… the first things reviewers noticed is everything that was missing.. (beat, chords, words) .. all it had was space.. so what it was missing.. and therefore what it had..
art – everything that is the stylist overview of the things you do..
why do we do it…
on cave art.. why did they do it.. and why did people appreciate it..
seems always.. people who can do that are valued/treasured.. in our society.. they’re paid a lot of money.. which is the only way we express value..
Scott Rosenberg‘s at authors at google for his book – dreaming in code (not available on overdrive) – 2007
35 min – Brian Eno – treating entities as media..art likes to see what other worlds are possible..
also referenced (lately) in tedx on his cards – ie: have musicians change instruments..
about him but not him.. he doesn’t have a twitter account:
Brian Peter George St. John le Baptiste de la Salle Eno, RDI (/ˈiːnoʊ/; born 15 May 1948 and originally christened Brian Peter George Eno), professionally known as Brian Eno or simply Eno, is an English musician, composer, record producer, singer, and visual artist, known as one of the principal innovators of ambient music.
Eno was a student of Roy Ascott on his Ground course at Ipswich Civic College. He then studied at Colchester Institute art school in Essex, England, taking inspiration from minimalist painting. During his time on the art course at the Institute, he also gained experience in playing and making music through teaching sessions held in the adjacent music school. He joined the band Roxy Music as synthesiser player in the early 1970s. Roxy Music’s success in the glam rock scene came quickly, but Eno soon became tired of touring and of conflicts with lead singer Bryan Ferry.
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/dark_shark/status/744856297980362752
film: in the ocean
via Rutger share on fb:
great ideas articulated by individuals.. nearly always generated by community.. what i see as the waste is the waste we make of that coop intelligence
genius is process of singling out certain people.. whenever look at any of them.. see.. they lived/drew from flourishing scene.. all those people you call genius (creative intelligence of individual) sat in the middle of scenius (creative intelligence of a community)…
what that means is:
1\ understanding that all people are born unequal.. so everybody has a set of particular/unique set of gifts/talents
2\ intelligence is generated by communities…
biggest obstacle to that.. is that people have to earn a living..
earn a living ness
my first message to people.. try to not get a (paying) job.. leave yourself so that you are in charge of your time..
obstacle: most people aren’t in a position to do that..
i want to do anything to work toward a future where everybody is in a position to do that..
let’s try this: a nother way..
bi – is closest i’ve heard to a future i’d like to live in.
perhaps bi ness as a temp/placebo.. to no money.. no measuring of transactions.. et al..
DiEM25 Madrid (@diem25madrid) tweeted at 4:40 AM on Wed, Nov 09, 2016:
“El triunfo de #Trump es una llamada para despertarnos. Me alegra que #DiEM25 esté despierto”- Brian Eno @dark_shark https://t.co/rVt18IfPdw
Trump is a wake up call. I am glad DiEM25 is awake – Brian Eno
Brian Eno: ‘We’ve been in decline for 40 years – Trump is a chance to rethink
The revered producer has been at the centre of pop since the days of Roxy Music. But don’t ask him about the past – he’s more interested in how to reorder society
Eno the activist, tirelessly campaigning for a fairer world; and Eno the philosopher, endlessly thinking of ways in which to bring this new world about.
I remember him coming home from work and sitting at the table; my mother had just put the food down and he fell forward, asleep. I thought even if I have to turn to crime, I won’t get a job; the horror of being that exhausted and doing your work just to keep things going; the lack of freedom in your life.”
I’m interested in the idea of generative music as a sort of model for how society or politics could work.
It is possible to have a society that doesn’t have pre-existing rules and structures.
indeed.. a nother way..
And you can use the social structures of bands, theatre groups, dance groups, all the things we now call culture. You can say: ‘Well, it works here. Why shouldn’t it work elsewhere?’
My feeling about Brexit was not anger at anybody else, it was anger at myself for not realising what was going on.
Just imagine if Hillary Clinton had won and we’d been business as usual, the whole structure she’d inherited, the whole Clinton family myth….with Trump, there’s a chance of a proper crash, and a chance to really rethink.”
One of the things you can get from music is surrender. From a lot of art, what you’re saying is: ‘Let it happen to me. I’m going to let myself be out of control. I’m going to let something else take over me.’” And that’s what he wants to happen with this music.
What I want to do is make situations where we’re all slightly at sea because
people make their best work when they are alert, and alertness comes at the moment when you feel you’re on the edge of being out of control. You’re not alert when you’re settled and you know exactly what you’re doing.
simple mech to facil chaos of 7bn slightly at sea
I really don’t want to spend the rest of my life – I’m now 68, so I might have another 15 to 20 years left – talking about my history. So, given the little time I’ve got left on this planet, I would really love to focus on some of the new things I’m doing.”
Inequality eats away at the heart of a society, breeding disdain, resentment, envy, suspicion, bullying, arrogance and callousness. If we want any decent kind of future we have to push away from that – Brian
He is a left-field avant garde maverick who helped make U2 and Coldplay two of the biggest bands on the planet; a perfectionist who spends weeks fine-tuning systems and modifying rules to create music that can never be repeated. His Oblique Strategies provided a framework that helps artists around the world get unblocked and find new and ingenious solutions to their creative troubles.
via rt by David (video/panel from 2015)
小林拓音 TakuneKOBAYASHI (@takunekobayashi) tweeted at 11:17 PM – 10 Dec 2015 :
Basic Income: How do we get there? Brian Eno, David Graeber and Frances Coppola https://t.co/LPuhmPqYDa(http://twitter.com/takunekobayashi/status/675197714653700096?s=17)
5 min – brian: subject that interests me most.. i think about most.. is waste.. of human potential.. how many people are not using themselves well… because they can’t.. circumstances don’t encourage them to do so .. no demand for what they can offer
bi as temp placebo.. fake
6 min – brian: plenty of ayn rand followers in high places.. ie: in silicon valley.. ayn: ‘any group is only a number of individuals.. if any civilization is to survive.. it’s the reality of altruism that men have to reject..’… to me.. this is a kind of naive darwinism that doesn’t allow for the fact that we aren’t unconscious organisms.. we’re conscious.. as soon as consciousness enters the picture.. darwinism doesn’t work any more…even darwin would agree with that .. but people like ayn rand didn’t actually get/read that part of the book
7 min – brian: the randian approach is that there are great individuals who distinguish themselves.. push forward.. and then pull the rest of humanity.. the rest of humanity is a kind of relatively inert working/serving class.. and there are a few people thru willpower and intellect and whatever genes they end up with.. pull the rest of us.. this is almost the opposite of what i think.. that although great new ideas are usually articulated by individuals.. they’re nearly always generated by communities..
8 min – brian: i think what i see as the waste.. is the waste we make of that possibility of cooperative intelligence..
i made a word for this a long time ago.. genius: process of singling out people in our industry and saying.. those are the important ones.. whenever you look at any of those artists.. you find they lived and drew from a very very active flourishing cultural scene.. and they were only one of the elements in that scene..ie: aware of what others are doing.. picking out.. distilling.. shuffling it.. all these people called genius actually sat in the middle of something i call scenius.. genius is creative intelligence of an individual.. scenius is the creative intelligence of a community.. what i want to see is more attention given to that possibility.. of creative behavior
10 min – brian: so opp of ayn randianism.. the understanding that 1\ all people are born unequal..so everybody has a unique set of gifts/talents.. 2\ intelligence is generated by communities.. by cooperation of some kind..
the biggest obstacle to that at the moment is that people have to earn a living..
i’m often asked to give a talk at unis and often not asked back.. because i talk that you shouldn’t have a job.. and profs first task is to smooth you into a job.. that means..
11 min – brian: try to leave yourself in the position where you do the things you want to do and take max advantage of your possibilities.. and most people aren’t in the positions to do that.. i want to do anything to work to future where everybody is in position to do that..
in terms of bi.. i probably know less about subject than anyone else here .. but what i do know is that the concept is the closest thing i’ve heard to achieving the kind of future that i would like to live in
so let’s try it (bi) as temp placebo.. ie: short bp
14 min – frances: a growing waste.. by being forced to earn a living.. impoverishing not only them… but us as a society .. my piece.. the change of nature of work
16 min – frances: if we can automate production of needs.. and make sure proceeds get equally distributed.. so people have means to live
or what if we just say.. bunk.. to proceeds ness
22 min – david: most people like anarchist ideas more than the like the word
23 min – david: i realized.. most white collar workers exist to make workers feel bad about themselves.. to feel you’re inadequate.. undeserving..
24 min – david: i finally came to the conclusion that financialization and bureaucratization are the same thing.. ie: the govt is the bank..
25 min – david: this B creating jobs telling you that value comes from paperwork rather than from anything anyone actually does..
26 min – david: increasingly more time assessing what it is you’re doing than doing it.. all forms of paperwork.. value thru paperwork.. and finance is just the peak of it.. people w most elab paperwork… how do we just get rid of these
27 min – david: every single time .. try to get rid of red tape, B, et al.. you end up with more regulation.. more paperwork.. and more bureaucrats.. ie: 25% more bureaucrats in russia right now then there were under soviet union… so that’s what liberal reforms always do… so what would be a left wing position that would be anti bureaucratic.. we need to grab this.. answer is pretty obvious.. fire all those guys and give everyone same amt of money
or… fire money as well
28 min – david: it’s based on a re assessment of the nature of work… comes to this..really look at what it is that is valuable..meaningful about the things we do everyday..
30 min – david: the thing that people in power fear the most is people that have basic security and time
33 min – david: focus on labor intermingled with focus on production.. when in fact most labor is not productive.. most labor isn’t about making things.. it’s about keeping things the same.. ie: an environment where things can grow.. caregiving.. caretaking..
35 min – david: what makes work valuable.. is a care for other people.. it benefits people.. and nobody can decide how that’s going other than the people doing it
Basic Income UK (@basicincome_uk) tweeted at 7:10 AM – 10 Mar 2017 :Brilliant convo re tech, politics & #basicincome btw @dark_shark & @evgenymorozov https://t.co/2MrbIBcxT1 UBI starts around 44′ (http://twitter.com/basicincome_uk/status/840203255795896320?s=17) 16 min – brian: i want to be as economical as i can – minarchism 23 min – brian: i work intuitively.. just from my ears.. then i reflect on if it was good or not.. in most of life today.. can’t do that.. have to declare first what you are doing.. people who are accountable.. forced into making over specific statements…
24 min – brian: and then .. you change your mind.. well of course you do.. otherwise neglecting new evidence…
25 min – brian: we ought to expect in every project .. a changing of mind.. the redignifying of intuition in public life.. rather than manifestos that propel us into icebergs..
35 min – brian: how to maintain a private space where you can embarrass yourself
38 min – Evgeny: as if we just fix privacy problems everything else goes away.. sooner or later will fix the privacy problem thru commodification.. ai now run by 5 american co’s and one chinese… what i don’t want to happen is winning the privacy fight and losing everything else 44 min – Evgeny: how is it we fell for this deal.. that we surrendered things of value.. lead into bi 42 min – brian: a new issue..a story we don’t really know.. ai ness/data 46 min – Brian: all relatives brilliant in diff ways.. but all in traps.. because poor.. no freedom to experiment.. to move away from the postman job they had.. 48 min – Brian: i had a real stroke of luck.. ie: after free art school.. govt paid for me.. essentially bi.. to be on dole for a year.. could try being an artist.. i knew if i had a job i wouldn’t become an artist.. because i’d be paying rent et al.. then i joined a band and everything worked out fine 49 min – Brian: the more i realize it though.. the luck i had then.. is not available to people now 51 min – Brian: noticed in last 20 yrs.. isn’t how world is anymore
Brian: most important thing about bi.. it stops life being completely precarious for people..
52 min – Brian: on ideas forming because relatives happen to give money.. to really level playing field.. to make it possible for all to have chance to make an experiment.. have to have a safety net of some kind.. 53 min – Brian: growing up seeing so much creativity wasted.. and now.. living in world where we need as much creativity as we can get.. we really need everybody to be contributing.. bi seems to be the most obvious and simple solution...
57 min – Brian: on rich expecting to get something back from bi.. has to start w ed system.. tragedy w ed.. not talking about things happening now.. understanding how big systems working.. ways of engaging children in new way.. my theory.. start with their lives.. use that as basis of ed..
1:09 – Brian: on confirmation bias.. internet and better w/more info.. but because of confirmation bias.. can confirm anything… makes conspiracy theories very easy/interesting.. we have to be very very alert to this.. fake news is very much this.. 1:14 – Brian: i don’t know and i hope that this free time doesn’t translate into a new kind of consumerism.. but a new kind of communalism… ie: older people active because they’re comparatively rich.. i want to make it so everyone can go to tango classes if they want to.. a really diff kind of political engagement…
1:20 – Evgeny: fake news is not the problem.. way to get rid of fake news.. limit the effects.. is to slow down their distribution.. opp of what drives social media.. going for fast clicks.. get entire publishing system off drug of advertising.. would slow down fake news.. the discussion should be about creating that alt platform..
1:30 – Brian: early stages of music.. et al.. a lot of experimentation.. then period of people realizing.. what the market wants.. digestion.. that lasts a long time..
1:34 – Brian: when people nostalgic for the 60s.. it’s for the conversations.. not the music
Brian: i don’t have a twitter account..