if poverty is indeed more about a loss/absence/scarcity of attachment/relationship/community rather than a loss of things/house… we redefine most people’s image/perception of poor.. no?
have/have not ness…
the goal is not to make the materially poor all over the world into middle-to-upper-class north americans, a group characterized by high rates of divorce, sexual addiction, substance abuse, and mental illness. not is the goal to make sure that the materially poor have enough money. indeed, america’s welfare system ensured that alisa collins and her family had more than enough money to survive, but they felt trapped. rather, the goals is to restore people to a full expression of humanness…. – Corbett/Fikkert
quotes found in book below
book links to amazon
p. 78: imagine going to a donor and asking for funds to transform a city through – hanging out. – new song, mark gornik, allan & susan tibbles
one of the hallmarks of mark, allan, and susan’s success is that they no longer direct new song. instead, new song continues to thrive under the leadership of community members, low=income people who were empowered by a relational process that focused on reconciling their foundational relationships instead of on implementing projects to produce products.
unfortunate insight/misunderstanding in the book:
p. 81: living in the context of violence, some ghetto children correctly assume that they will not live very long. this can make them very present-oriented and give them little incentive to invest in their futures through such things as being diligent in school. and of course, a failure to get a good education contributes to their long-run material poverty.
education in a more true sense of the word – maybe. but not what we practice as education today. that’s leading to humans as empty shells – and/or shame/arrogance.
I fear that far too many have no familiarity — or even empathy — with what it means to be poor in this country, or in any country.
Poverty is a diabolical predicament that not only makes scarce one’s physical comforts, but drains away one’s spiritual strength. It damages hopes and dreams, and having deficits among those things is when the soul begins to die. – Charles M Blow
Colonialism set out to take away their self-sufficiency, on their own territory, and lead them to glorious productivity, as menials, on someone else’s. There’s little point in calling for retroactive apologies for this because it’s not confined to the past: most development schemes foisted on tribal peoples today point in exactly the same direction.
is poverty actually soluble…? i think we’ve misunderstood how to understand how to measure poverty. infant mortality and life of life.. ie: start finding areas of glasgow similar to areas of congo. once you frame poverty in those terms rather than cash flow.. you’ve got better representation of people that are self-sufficient on their own land when cash terms are very poor but in life span doing quite well. (ie: karawa – they’ve broken the idea that you need cash flow) once you decouple the idea of income from poverty.. you get much more political freedom to design nuanced and solvent problems…a language problem .. need to decouple these concepts and start talking about excess mortality rather than deficient cash flow – Vinay Gupta – from q&a of dec 2014 talk
from Pico Iyer‘s talk
51% of public school kids in poverty
feb 2015 – on fixing the wrong things – gates initiative/power –
1\ people make poverty 2\ history shows policies made poverty 3\ the good news story – not quite so – ie: 80% living under $5/day 4\ power matters – ie: those with the money make the rules, usually in ways that serve their own interests. This is why 93 cents of every $1 made since the 2008 crash has gone to the 1%.
We might have had to settle for small technical fixes 30 years ago. In 2015, we certainly don’t.
let’s go deep enough.
3 ways humans create poverty (shared in fb edge by Joe):
1\closing off commons
2\outsourcing the problem
3\the “free trade” paradox
notes from book: the highest poverty
US poverty data: 1 in 15 people among America’s poorest poor https://t.co/paOhQGseHh
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/nikhilgoya_l/status/827330051016376320
Nikhil Goyal (@nikhilgoya_l) tweeted at 7:36 AM – 31 Jan 2017 :
“The number of people living in extremely poor neighborhoods has increased by five million over last decade.” https://t.co/AkiYBG4b4M (http://twitter.com/nikhilgoya_l/status/826438990375026689?s=17)
Very cool. chronicle.com/article/The-Ne…
article from 2012
Concentrated poverty, after declining in the 1990s, swung back upward in the 2000s. Almost nine million people live in “extreme poverty” neighborhoods, where “at least 40 percent of residents have incomes below the federal poverty threshold” of roughly $23,000 for a family of four, according to the journal Science.
Whereas the ghetto of the 1940s was a place where all classes of African-American families were forced to live, the ghetto of the 1980s was a place where the most impoverished African-Americans had been abandoned.
Wilson argued that social isolation magnified the effects of living in concentrated poverty, as residents faced limited access to marriage-worthy mates, job information, good schools, and role models.
But how do you measure the effect of neighborhoods on people’s lives?
Sampson’s answer is Great American City, a book that Wilson calls “one of the most comprehensive and sophisticated empirical studies ever conducted by a social scientist.”
In reality, immigrants appear to be “less violent than people born in America, particularly when they live in neighborhoods with high numbers of other immigrants,” he has written. Immigrants born outside the United States were 45 percent less likely to commit violence than third-generation Americans, while second-generation immigrants were 22 percent less likely.
“Recent research now is showing that increases in immigration at the neighborhood level lead to decreases in crime,” Sampson tells me.
Thirty percent of black children in Chicago live in the bottom 25 percent of severely disadvantaged neighborhoods. The percentage of whites who live in them? Zero.
The bottom line, for Katz, is that “neighborhoods profoundly matter.” The Harvard economist, principal investigator of the program’s long-term study, says “the difference between living in a very poor neighborhood and a moderately middle-class neighborhood is as large as doubling your income in terms of happiness and well-being.”
What poor areas need, he argues, is something they have never had: a consistent investment policy that touches multiple generations.
Conrad Hackett (@conradhackett) tweeted at 1:14 AM – 15 Jun 2017 :
Children living in poverty
ASDeckard (@AsDeckard) tweeted at 1:19 AM – 15 Jun 2017 :
@conradhackett ‘relative poverty’
Ah, the measure that counts a US family with only one car as impoverished, but not a Russian family who shits in a hole. (http://twitter.com/AsDeckard/status/875251341588705280?s=17)
Angel Senterfold (@angelsenterfold) tweeted at 1:16 AM – 15 Jun 2017 :
@conradhackett Children doing sex to finance their parents is the same numbers here in NL (http://twitter.com/angelsenterfold/status/875250595367661568?s=17)
Cem (@Javartan) tweeted at 1:20 AM – 15 Jun 2017 :
@conradhackett How can Israel beat us to this? This definitely doesnt include syrian refugee kids. Thats why. (http://twitter.com/Javartan/status/875251674620846081?s=17)
Katarina Gray-Sharp (@TeachingConsult) tweeted at 1:30 AM – 15 Jun 2017 :
@conradhackett “High national income … no guarantee of a good record in sustaining child well-being.” NZ 34th of 41: https://t.co/neSIUQZo83 | @UNICEF (http://twitter.com/TeachingConsult/status/875254247553613825?s=17)
Killa.fish (@ObeseDragonfish) tweeted at 3:57 AM – 15 Jun 2017 :
@conradhackett USA is the beginning of the super crap statistics (http://twitter.com/ObeseDragonfish/status/875291199405514752?s=17)
Arthur Brooks (@arthurbrooks) tweeted at 10:17 PM – 16 Oct 2017 :
“Well-to-do Americans have almost no meaningful contact with anyone from economically marginalized communities.” https://t.co/JxQZDeSpxS (http://twitter.com/arthurbrooks/status/920141577204494336?s=17)