adding page while rereading code uncode (and just after re reading hacking xbox and beyond the monastic self and in/out of other’s bodies.. and listening to m of care – may 21 – on visual assembly.. et al)
adding notes from first reading notes on unmonastery page:
notes/highlights from book – code uncode:
In the summer we released our second book Code/unCode: Tracing Monastic Patterns
the first unmonastery opened its doors feb 2014 in matera italy.
drawing on a perhaps romanticised history of monasticism and the design patterns of a residential hackerspace, the unmonastery project seeks to develop the code for a new communal, protocolized approach to the development of a global community which is capable of moving in unison over the next century to challenge existing dependency chains and economic fictions..
nice. curious about protocolized ness…
unmonastery bios… a workable reusable toolkit of …. documentation of the matera prototype
code/uncode .. analysis of unmonastery in athens.. interviewing monks (on left).. paralleled w/unmonastery ites journey (on right)
uncode defies being written…
a surface reading of this structure show how the unmonastery fails to replace god and christian faith with an appropriate shared aspiration and value system. however, the interviews also reveal the inability of the established orders to truly claim a potential contemporary relevance of the ‘forma vitae’. no matter how inelegant or petty the conflicts and problems appearing on the right hand side seem, they stand witness to a raw and committed struggle to search for a 21st century form of dedication to a devout communal life, while insisting on the responsibility to carry some remainder of the belief that at this point in history there is still constructive action available, beyond an nihilistic embrace or idealistic refusal of the facts of everyday life.
a nother way… rev of everyday life ness
p 5 reminds of – dreaming of a dance ness..
ie: a naked account of our daily labour of making sense of our work in the unmonastery.
r: keikreutler – .. i do think protocol can offer speculative solutions to organizing routines and living patterns but perhaps more as a common poetry that generates trust and allows a freedom of action. saying freedom maybe for lack of a better word.
juxta – ing with graeber increase b law et al…. wondering about protocols.. and if need them less the more people there are.. because of one ness.. and that sync of making the dance dance. needing all of us to be whole. and so then.. how virtual/www ness allows for all of us to play.. ie: even in rural areas.. even in monastery’s .. creating unmonatery ness..
i’m thinking way important for any protocol to be minimal.. ie: taking 33 min a day as mandatory ish – (not the book – the 33 min described in the book). and only because we currently need detox. i think if we were all detoxed . .. no protocol would be needed..
i love his verbiage: common poetry.
but .. i struggle with the idea of generating trust.. thinking it’s 100% or not.. only dependent on – ie: are you human, not.. what did/didn’t you do et al..
r: james – ‘idea of acting as if one part of group is optional denies nature of being part of a group’.. this point is a sore one w me.. i am bored/frustrated w the group attempting to create some structure in itself.. and having to yield to the needs of the few who don’t want to be tied down to a particularly rigid structure or not get up quite so early.. rules become watered down et al
‘bored/frustrated’.. because it shouldn’t be happening.. we just think we need that structure because all we know is how whales act in sea world
r: @benvickers – getting up painfully early – embedded in list of what he (or someone writing to ben.. can’t tell) then says: are not rules to compromise or consense on.
getting up early? as a rule for all?
l: erik – on Rules v rules.. so, the scriptures are as it were, the ocean in which we swim, in which this little floating raft of the Rule is making its headway on, to mix metaphors slightly. (Rule translated.. a measuring line.. benedict’s regula.. straight path to get from a to b, where b is life of union w/god)
l: ben – where i’m going…. how you get to the point in which you might suggest a reform. … how observed changes come to be new Rules.
r: on not approving of 2 morning circles per week.. recognizing foreigners to experience as daily practice… morning circle and practice should be our primary worship: aligning ourselves with each other and celebrating communal ecstasy.
the 30 min a day w/ fam ness
(can’t search images on site just now.. wanting to add image of 30 min w/fam)
also ref’s to tabacco/chemical abuse.. reminds of piece talking of being with a person when need escape or to live (bad paraphrase but can’t find/remember it now).. ie: how would we be if we all.. all.. had all the day. as the day ness. 100% of the day (perhaps less 33 min) free matters.. to seeing us. and trust matters huge to that.
r: then he ends suggesting that opening up closing day circle to guests (via practice in matera – be cemented into unmonastery life….. to be a part of the abnormal human ritual of speaking in an attentive, nonargumentative group.
l: erik – on saint benedict – though seemingly autocratic… council of order.. follow like sheep ness… is very clear than any important decision should take everyone’s opinion into account…. sometimes the youngest have the best ideas; so don’t only listen to greybeards.
r: katalin – … how do you walk a new colleague around to meet everyone in a virtual workspace…
interestingly, protocols for working together face a lot less resistance than structure for living together. we all know we cannot do the unmonastery work individually. how does this translate onto unmonastery life…
r: katalin – … what are the operators that enable such dazzling coordination and outreach? they are in the blind spot, the aspects of life nobody talks about, so deeply agreed upon that they remain unnoticed and undebated.
deep simple open enough – ship ness
my sense is that recording what makes it work despite of the disagreements may be just as important as resolving the conflicts.
sounds like Astra at platform coop – and – document everything ness
we are in a process of developing protocol for writing protocols…. it is a mistake to mix up writing the protocol for athens, with writing the meta-structure of having a protocol for unmonastery. the first one is about control, to make sure people sharing their living and working space exist together in harmony. the second is about enabling any community to make its hidden procedures and customs explicit, in order to ensure it remains open facing and open source, subject to change, from small alterations to large scale forks.
need for problem deep enough, via mechanism simple enough, in system open enough.. ness
what you are describing is still obedience.. zinn obedience law et al
r: on listening to rule for when to wake or listening to body..
when body says no et al
i used to alway s plague myself w/guilt if i woke up late. one of biggest life changes for me, was to tell myself “ever feel guilty for waking up late, your body is telling you something.
i wonder what the mechanism or approach is to ensure that you don’t end up w/a split between those that stick to it and those that struggle – and you mitigate guilt, or division. or is the mechanism simply consensus that everyone agrees/pledges to the belief that discipline and consistency is a root to well being/stability? and it spreads by example/conformity.
my – i hope not. the it is me ness.. has to be embedded in – everyone having something else to do ness. raised eyebrow ness is a killer.
oi oi oi
thinking of nathan’s question – is duty as oppression
r: bembo on post matera – and questions of how we live haunt us and obscure the greater one of: what service does unmonastery offer to its surroundings..
wanderings is right.. no? embrace that. rev of everyday life. whimsy matters. unknowing matters. that is the gift/service.. no?
l: ben – asking about the rhythm of rigorous routine set by the Rule… how it actually affects your body, your metabolism, your sleep, your states of consciousness… and how it affects your relationship and interaction with others that are living the same routine..
l: erik – on first – it messes you up.. ie: we get up at 3. … now i find it marvelous. on second – developed a very sophisticated sign language.. able to have long convos w/o saying a single word.
r: ben – on how unmonastery ites are so un bounded ish.. and this fundamental thing is rules. in the monasteries, it was guilt and in hierarchical iterations of the monasteries; violence.
structural violence and the need to undo our hierarchical listening
i don’t want to use either.. so i recommend: experimentations. ie: we haven’t tried this before, lets see what happens if we ie: wake at 5am. then share analysis….also on monasticism, read the agamben’s the highest poverty (not available for rec on overdrive) (earlier said read it because we’re wasting time on monasticism) .. the power of the rule; rules are obeyed in the eyes of god, upon the self. the self in this way is not accountable to the group, any more than they want to participate and judge this as a necessary lubricant for that participation..
my notes from book here: the highest poverty
l: erik – it’s a very powerful thing to do such a private and intimate thing in silence alongside other people. and that actually creates a very powerful bond.. possible to have long convos about all sorts of things w/o saying a single word
no words ness.. rumi words law.. lanier beyond words law.. et al
l: chit chat vs silent together
so imagine closeness .. sans fake/sea world duty ness (schneider )..
r: on wanting structure
that’s whalespeak.. we have no idea .. (freeman structure law (?) et al).. what we need is to facil chaos/freedom of in a space ness via itch-in-8b-souls.. everyday.. rather than engineering some structure for people dutifully/invited into a space
r: ? the unmon is predicated upon the synergy of working in a coordinated strategic manner. getting to the point where this synergic motor powers the core of the collective requires tangible investment.
or tangential investment.. ie: getting to the (touching on the) root of all.. again.. trusting it’s already in us.. if we just go deep enough..
this is resonating with our obsessions with takes a lot of work ness.. let go.. red flags
for (blank)’s sake ness
l: erik – on joy…. and it is true that part of what makes it joyful i think… is that we’re trying to dispense with what it not necessary, …
l: erik – on gratitude, joy and freedom.. as 3 things that are a stabilizing force in being able to exist w/in this life
r: daily schedule includes.. ie: cleaning et al
huge red flag .. let go.. trust it will work if 8b legit free.. trust the dance.. 100%.. or it won’t dance
l: ben – what do you think it is that specifically fosters trust between monks beyond faith?
l: erik – i think… seeing people’s fidelity and their reliability, and that holds for small things as well as large things. … what you come to really appreciate is people just doing.. mucking in and helping, and cleaning up when there’s a mess, a… lending a hand.. little things like that. seeing that over time you find that actually people are remarkably trustworthy.
i don’t know. still don’t think we’ll experience … joy.. freedom.. gratitude.. if we ourselves judge toward trust. i think the dance only dances if we all decide the one rule is.. trust people. 100%. because they are human. that’s it. everyone gets a go.. everyday.. do-over to infinitum.
reliability.. huge red flag.. seen in r: measurin gif people pulling weight.. let go of any form of map.. trus tis unconditional.. othewise it’s jusdggment/measurement/accountin/people telling people.. oi
r: – bembo – theatre dependent upon the ensemble… we know in our bodies that time stolen from the work is irreplaceable, it deflates the ensemble….. the standing or falling of the unmonastery seems to balance precariously upon the ability to provide inner discipline. we may embrace hard work and community service as the pillars of our mission, but subjective interpretations as to how much inner discipline should be expected have plagued every attempt thus far to form unmonastery communities..
measuring if people are pulling their weight.. cancer.. we have to let go of any form of m\a\p.. trust is unconditional.. otherwise it’s judge\ment/measurement/accounting/people-telling-people.. et al.. oi
what we found.. when 2 needs met.. the dance will dance.
visitation 2 – in purple lettering – sounds like one ness..
top: durkheim in/out ness
in/out of other’s bodies.. and m of care – aug 5
l: erik – it’s pretty exceptional to be living in a human context where you can *pretty much all the time take everyone’s good will for granted.
that’s the missing piece.. the 100% trust ness.. we need to do that for all of us.. adichie single story law.. and eisenstein i know you law.. et al.. otherwise perpetuating tragedy of the non common
r: presummit presumptions – #2 – that we recognise that existence without protocol has proven its limitations.
i would question that presumption..
r: #7 – that the spine of the circle reflects the health of the organism.
i like that..
r: #8 – untox work
is that detox..?
l: ben asking tech monks use
ai humanity needs: augmenting interconnectedness.. tech as it could be
r: where my frustrations arise.. to counter the pull of civilization.. training is to break down myth of individuality so that our interdependence ascends.. (knowing that a deeper ‘i’ reveal itself once one reaches the bowels of ensemble)
thinking has to be both at once.. but at least during detox.. need that morning time monks talk about.. just after sleep’s re\set.. to listen to the i-ish voice.. the itch-in-the-soul.. before any thing else distracts.. otherwise won’t have either fittingness or belonging ness
whoa.. interview 2 by phone.. facilitated by Nathan
here his article on them aug 2014:
Can Monasteries Be a Model for Reclaiming Tech Culture for Good?
perhaps unMonasteries, sparing the dogma and self-flagellation, can keep alive the promise of a liberating Internet as companies like Google and Facebook tighten their grip.
The unMonastery’s gestation began in 2011, the year of Occupy and the Indignados, a time of so many ambitious undertakings with ambivalent outcomes. The Council of Europe’s ominous-sounding Social Cohesion Research and Early Warning Division sought, in the words of its chief, “to have a better idea of the extent of insecurity in society.” The international body sponsored the invention of Edgeryders, “an open and distributed think tank” of people working through an online social network and a series of conferences. They produced a report about the economic crisis—a “Guide to the Future.” Soon the council’s funding ended, but Edgeryders pressed on as an online network with more than 2,000 members and an incorporated entity. The group presents itself as a company in the business of “open consulting.”
At the end of its first conference in Strasbourg in June of 2012, a small circle of Edgeryders, with glasses of wine in their hands and under the shadow of a church, dreamed up the unMonastery. The idea was this: find a place with unmet needs and unused space to lend a building to a group of young hackers. Live together cheaply, building open-source infrastructure for the commons. Repeat until it becomes a network.
The unMonastery vision went viral in the Edgeryders community. It fit into a widely felt longing at the time, evident in many parts of Europe and North America where protest had broken out in 2011, to start figuring out practical alternatives to the failed order. Occupy activists were learning to set up worker co-ops, and their counterparts in Spain laid plans for Internet-driven political parties. This was the period, too, of Edward Snowden’s leaks, of Aaron Swartz’s suicide, of blockades against techie commuter buses in San Francisco. Google became one of the world’s leading lobbyists, and Jeff Bezos bought The Washington Post. Tech could no longer claim to be a post-political insurgency; it had become the empire.
wow just copying it all so far
ben vickers.. insight – much to read here .. just go to link above
documentation can trump even failure; others can study the attempt, tweak it and try again.
Elf Pavlik, a 31-year-old web developer with pony-tailed hair, had been living for five years without touching money or government IDs.
Keeping track of the longer view was the job of Bembo Davies, a Canadian-turned-Norwegian widower and grandfather, a veteran of the circus and the stage who updated his WordPress chronicle in august prose.
or when they worried about whether they’d done any good for Matera whatsoever, they reminded each other, “Everything’s a prototype.”
Building a new society in the shell of the old can seem so impossibly hard. Capitalism, meanwhile, makes organizing ourselves look easy by paying us to pretend that’s what we’re doing. Maybe the longing for leaderless swarms in the protests of 2011 partly stemmed from the image of a team at a software conglomerate, or a noncommercial, open-source project nonetheless parasitic on its corporate sponsors. But the kind of democracy and community we glean from tech culture lacks a deep structure, a core; tech culture is particularly good at disguising the reality that its core has become investor returns and Wall Street IPOs. The CEO’s absolute authority dresses up like charisma. Rapt in admiration, we the people are being de-skilled out of actual self-organizing. A few months in, the unMonastery’s communications had become a jungle of platforms, many of them proprietary, with few clear lines between inward and outward: the public Edgeryders website, public Trello boards, a closed Google Group and public folders full of Google Docs.
Like just about everything, all of this has happened before.
“Making the democratic most of the Information Age,” Roszak wrote, “is a matter not only of technology but also of the social organization of that technology.” – 80s
rushkoff os law – we need to go deep/simple/open .. ps in the open – io dance ness
Offers of real estate for a new unMonastery have come from Greece, Spain and up near Venice.
Michel Bauwens, an elder statesman in Europe’s peer-to-peer movement, wrote an open letter to Pope Francis suggesting that underused churches and monasteries not be sold on the real-estate market but repurposed as sites of a new collaborative economy. He cited the unMonastery as a model.
These relationships can seem like compromises with the past, but what seems new and original almost never really is, except to the degree that we fail to remember.
back to code/uncode:
l: ben – one of major differentiators between what we’re trying to achieve and how the monateries operate, or at least our percept… as isolated spaces retreating from civilisation. we consider the interface with the local community to be a major part of our work but we’re still at times questioning that as an absolute direction.
resonating.. with our findings.. when you get one a.. crave other a. (a and a ness – a nother way) .why app chip design is such.. to perhaps .. jumpstart us back to (what visitation 3 purple letter even ref’d – a more natural state of us – ness)
r: katalin – cycle seems phased by…. one is creating a structure for self-evaluation.. (list of to do’s) writing a second book of greater and lesser omissions
self talk as data… ness
explaining tragedy of the non common.. horrors of thinking we need scheduling/chores/meetings
l: ben – after hearing paul talk of monestaries funding streams through ie: mushrooms; vineyards, candy, fruitcake.. says one way we designed it was with govt policy in ind, and that means that there’s a specific funding stream in terms of almost selling it as a service to govts and small towns/cities…. before we move forward into the future we need to seriously think about production as a means for supporting what we do.
? cancer.. let go of any form of m\a\p
radical econ – if need a jump start..
r: katalin – seems to me one of real challenges of un monastery.. original idea implies *bringing strangers together to build a small community.. which will then **work together w local community.. the place we live, the projects we help with or develop all do not belong to us and need to be ready to be given back as soon as someone local wants it.. keeper of a “found object” that can be claimed and must be returned at any moment, without hesitation.
*rather engineer a small community.. let go..
**rather.. people telling other people what to do.. let go
r: bembo – themes of first edgeryder unconference became reasons i am in unmonastery.. ie: rebooting democracy.. resiliency hubs.. transparent budgeting..
red flags.. let go of democratic admin.. resilience ness.. any form of m\a\p
r: bembo – meanwhile, personal survival reared its familiar head. the edgeryders became less about the greater we, and more about economic strategies for a generation of upstarts trying to make their way as social capitalists.
l: ben saying it seems monasteries are low on youth.. and asked paul if he thought they would be open to new innovations..
l: paul – yes. … a lot of monasteries are always looking for new ways of making an income.
dang.. from innovations to seeking income..
r: bembo – on the guidebooks they have written… then at bottom of page – touching on individual survival strategies.. title of section: unmonastery wanderings
rule book under title of wanderings.. oi
i think this has to be based on us trusting that 100% of us have the map/protocol w/in each of us. daily anew. focus on a mechanism that draws on that .. daily. allows for whimsy/regeneration/iteration ness.. daily. so i think we can’t have any more than – perhaps a kids book – and even that is optional – for those feeling overly blind/toxified.[a nother way]
l: ben asking about any monasteries focused on tech
l: paul saying there are many.. then telling of one making millions doing web sites.. ink jet cartridges… but consumed too much of abbot’s time… so whole thing collapsed.. so much pressure, business pressure, whist also living the monastic life at same time…
oi.. again.. right to money making
100% time. holacracy et al law ness] ness.. via tech as it could be
as the day.
27-28as an app.. on top of other initiatives.. as a social clinic.. perhaps more.. as an app getting at root of all initiatives.. as a means.. placebo even… to get us back to (uncover) a natural state.. everyday.. before initiatives…
in other words… a means to undo our hierarchical listening
for that we need to let go of any form of m\a\p.. or you’re just perpetuating tragedy of the non common
social cohesion ness and temporal shell
glue law and imagine a turtle ness 29l: after Ben said.. they were looking to monastery as another way… another system…paul.. saying operating system is capitalism… no choice.. ? r: how to not be an eternal reception desk.. levels of entry.. how about simpler.. and ..holacracy law ness.. dive in.. because.. it’s a daily reception… do over... for all.. ad infinitum 30 whoa. edgeryders starts out from counsel of europe at strasbourg. social cohesion research.. 31
r: read their first book.. l: on all as suggestions from counsel .. problems sent ance every two ish years.. and suggestions made.. up to local monastery to implement r: 2 nd para – assumption of moneys and protocols… ie:kickstart.. update uncode
monk: let’s face it .. all tied into a capitalistic system.. no way of getting away from it.. and we haven’t really tried to get away from it.. just tried to take advantage of the market system tha twe have
have to let go of any form of m\a\p .. not just reform it (money/market/capitalism).. otherwise.. just perpetuating tragedy of the non common
l: monk – and the dilemma was that if we try to keep up that production then it simply consumes all our time, and then you don’t hae enough time for quiet life
yeah that.. what are we doing w our days.. let go.. (original lab question)
however.. this places the abbott in a liminal position.. both inside/outside of the monastic body.. a position that thru its liminality is unstable, dangerous and powerful..
in/out of other’s bodies.. beyond the monastic self.. liminality.. antifragile rather than powerful
l: ben – people wanting to start another unmonastery, but in order to arrive at a clear sense of commitment to that we had to spend a very long time sat in a circle discussing this and aligning our perspective.. it took us a long time to get to those kind of agreements, but when we were at the stage where we were thinking about the diff responsibilities that people would take.. it’s almost as if there’s an essence that emerges thru people gathering and attempting to do similar things, maybe
huge red flags.. not essence emerging
l: monk – it’s a similar organic procedure isn’t it?.. ben – it was a slow and painful procedure.. but in a good way.. 3 days having day long convos until we arrived at a place that made sense for all of us
rather.. until all were to worn to not agree (say it made sense to them).. public consensus always oppresses someone(s)
l: monk: so you got there w/o having known anything about the cistercian system.. so you reinvented the wheel
proper mtgs et al being worth it (an organic.. oi) .. all whalespeak.. a patting self on the back ness for enduring it.. perpetuates tragedy of the non common.. reinvents that wheel.. not a free fittingness/undisturbed ecosystem.. oi.. listen to your gut.. you are even typing it and ignoring it
l: monk: so abbot has to follow the rule.. can’t just arbitrarily make up new rules.. abbot has to listen to community and the rule.. community has to listen to the abbot and follow the rule.. great reason why the rule of st benedict has survived so long –
oi.. zinn obedience law et al
r: 1\ unmonastery is a product of whoever happens to be in each space and it dictates very little.. (then gives ie’s if diff kinds of people in groups and says).. both are completely valid instances..
not very un if dictating/validating at all
r: 2\ unmonastery has core practices like circles.. we’re aiming for productive persistent spaces that exist on a 200+ yrs timeline and this won’t happen unless people learn how to exist together very well..
don’t need to learn to be together.. need to quit engineering who/how/why/when we’re together..
l: in order to work.. need a coherent dm process.. ?
decision making is unmooring us law
p 3 5
l: ben – asking about agamben’s third thing – where Rule and life lose their familiar meaning.. our entire task is precisely to bring this third thing to light.. monk – the thing that’s brought to life is the intangibles
i’d say – third thing (intangibles) if you like – as eudaimonia… and the dance via attachment as eudaimoniative surplus.. so how to create/uncover an operating system that can facilitate that.. mechanism simple enougn – grounding/facilitating the chaos of 7 billion set free to eudaimonia – 100%/singularity ness/third way ness.
r: many of us don’t do collectivism; weaned out of the cult of the individual, it is our differences that claim value, while massive areas fo overlap seem profoundly less interesting.
ni ness. re\wire for that.
r: faith will only get you so far; we are once again left with the option of thinking strategically.
? – strategy/circles/regimen is killing us
r: david – … it it makes you feel uncomfortable and unproductive to sit in a circle for more than half an hour you might be…
not sure of the grounding of this particular circle.. but am sure of grounding of still ness
In old age the emphasis shifts from doing to being, and our civilization, which is lost in doing, know nothing of being. It asks: being? What do you do with it? – Eckhart Tolle
good on the first thing in the morning ness.. to get to the itch-in-the-soul before distractions/trumps.. ie: imagine if we
r: david – need a cell to retreat into soitude and privacy. it’s not difficult to allocate a bedroom into a – do not distrub – room for anyone..
echo chamber ness for sure.. but this sounds like our necklaces in the be you house.
l: voting in genius leaders.. how long to keep them.. r: sit in circles holding sticks.. sustainable behaviors w/in collective and facil consensual decisions.. discuss horizontal dm processes.. experiment w diff forms of dm.. which came first.. the *individual desire to build a certain capability or the collective desire to forge a group capability.. perhaps that’s just another stange loop, where a **discrete answer isn’ all the helpful or relevant.. however, a salient consideration might be, what does unmonastery look like when the collective capability being worked on is diff? maybe then it ***certainly isn’t circles and sticks
oi.. so loaded.. from decision making is unmooring us ness.. to expert in the room ness.. to stability ness..
**in our case now.. where global detox is needed.. i think we have to start 1st thing everyday with the *individual desire (imagine if we listened to the itch-in-8b-souls and used that data to connect us).. otherwise we’re just ***engineering/killing us.. (brown belonging law et al)..
l: ben – why seeking monasticism – harmony
great.. but can’t engineer it.. have to realize it’s (interconnectedness) already in 100% of us.. create a free enough space (aka: let go enough) .. to trust us.. to trust that dance..
r: the unmonastery continues to operate as a postulate. its brilliant hypothesis is built upon a ‘what if we were a coordinated we’
p 39 – submission is for many an unknown – the very idea hurts. pictures of vast totalitarian parades tighten the throat. inner conflict occurs: the mysterious virus of ‘not wanting to’ suddenly becomes an option.
a major premise of both monasticism and unmonasticism is that option is not an option. the choice to enter the magnetic force field of the accelerator is done at the gates – from that point onwards any choice is no longer individual but collective.
always a choice. – diplomacy of a bondservant ness. we’re in this mess right now because.. you always have the option.. (ie: option in play ness)..
i believe this.. because if you don’t have the option.. you won’t be you.. so we won’t be us.. again.. brown belonging law et al..
l: monk – cistercian life is both solitary and communal.. so.. each town/city has *made it more of a point of having all members get together one/moth.. prayer/discussion
*forced mtgs don’t work/dance.. let go
l: monk – on work.. for monasteries there’s no specific work; *they can do anything.. the principle is that you need to work for your own good, not for producing something.. at same time.. self contained unit you *have to work to support that unit.. but the market.. is not buy something.. the market is **god.. the monk works for god.. can’t put a price on that.. and the ***liturgy is the centre of the monastic work
so not **god.. ***ritual.. so.. *can’t really do anything
r: urt (uncivilixation retructuring therapy
detox as detox ness?.. self-talk as data
r: pour 10 hrs 7 days a week into the unmonastery project, w/o a clarity about why, apart this being the only way we may know how to work. i can imagine waking up one day and just being fed up….this is the job for the presummit, to find the shared source of the energy that makes us all working together o the unmonastery project
why matters. we have to get to a sustainable/iterating/regenerating energy..
crying out for a nother way
r: the right to voice opinion in the ungeneral assembly is open to all those who wish to claim status as true unmonasterians as either veteran co livers or asa active behind the scenes stakeholders.. the uncouncils is conceived as the guardians of he umonastery’s ideals as laid out in the uncode..
oi.. all the un-s yes same song.. like screaming it (un) because your heart knows you’re not getting/being it
many monastic communities emerged thru disappointment w predecessors
rule as document.. an expression of ongoing transmission of knowledge thru text and synced routine
oi.. sea world.. intellect ness over fittingness.. when we need curiosity over decision making
l: cassian – no, there’s nothing wrong with that at all, except that takes time. we are so pressed with the immediate needs that we don’t have the luxury to write a document about it. we’re just working on the experience; we don’t have time to write a document about it.
what if you did/could do both… document everything ness.. chip.. with self-talk as data.. at least for detox .. maybe legit free people don’t need to doc.. but we’re so messed up.. so engrained in whalespeak.. do need to augment our interconnectedness.. imagine if we
46: r: 2nd para.. hacker method.. buil don old structure.. oi.. huge problem. l: doc more efficient .. less fun
l: alberto – so you input the knowledge not in documents but in people..
l: cassian – in networks, yes. and some documentation too..
albert – bu there is a way that the drive to documetation emerged in the hacker moement is that they saw that is more efficient in terms of time. so the same problem only gets solved once, and then it’s written down somewhere and that documetn is accessible online. that saves you more time than actually going to belgium and finding brother william who..
cassian – but that’s more fun.
exactly.. we can’t not live. tech can help us with that. just talk to self.. which is needed anyway.. then let deb roy.. gary flake.. et al style tech to the labor/time intensive capture/search/connect/suggest.. et al..
r: strategies behind hackathon models of developing new things on existing aspects of existing organizations..
huge problem.. let go.. re\set.. need a legit diff way
l: without the rule that (harmony) would not be possible
r: on lack of desire/energies to do the ref books et al.. among the projects pending on the unmon horizon was one based upon a hidden assumption voiced in the 00 matrix designed for berlin: that to avoid making a protocol any longer is dangerous. it is clear that not everyone puts the same imperative in the concept. however, whether we call it uncode, unrule, unprotocol, it seems to haunt our work of the past year that the disciplines of our benedictine predecessors are not mirrored in our daily work:
wasn’t for them either.. no? other wise.. whole word would be doing that by now..
not about rules/protocal.. to get people to engage.. it’s about listening deep enough to what itch-in-8b-souls can’t not do
need for a nother way.
r: has our endless generosity and understanding nature allowed the idea of the unmonastery to be squatted by homeless ne’er-do-wells? do we do a disservice to future generation by not imposing upon ourselves a regime of collective focus
oh my.. ethics of space.. there is never nothing going on.. need a means to undo our hierarchical listening to all the red flag assumptions..
l: but in the monastery that’s pretty obvious.. the unity of it.. now you pay a price for that.. *the price is that you can’t do whatever you want, you know.. there’s.. what the community does and then **you conform yourself to that..t so individualism is a bad word in the monastery.. that doesn’t mean neglect of individual talents and capacities and gifts and so on, but at the service of the community..
oi.. such *poison.. we have no idea what legit free people could be.. beyond the monastic self et al.. **has to be both.. ie: brown belonging law .. maté trump law.. et al.. or the dance won’t dance
r: i think i developed a personal allergy to such discussions (mtgs) even when they’re pleasant, *it’s unfortunate. at least we reached a decision that we need to clean and should set a time to do so.. notes are here
oi.. *unfortunate? like a virus.. trying to tell you it’s killing you.. we need to listen deeper.. not add more rules/structure.. oi..
we set our sights on the afternoon wall clean.. but i crawled into bed fora beautiful 15 min to fight the cold in the apartment and this somehow lost our momentum.. what did the night hold? i’m tiring of this narrative voice.. .. met tow gentlemen very interested int he project.. they said we’ll see you again.. i said awkwardly ‘its’ true’.. we drank some raki/beer, crawled back to exarcheia and took a cab home.. i wore many layers to sleep, didn’t dream, and woke up to james’s arrival.. *this needs another way.. t
huge huge huge.. ie: a nother way..
*sans mtgs, decision making, chores.. sans any form of m\a\p
l: hard to make a decision when people don’t agree.. that’s part of the abbot’s role.. to creat unit out of this plurality.. when rep moastery to outsid eyou ahve to speak w one voice.. who’s qualified to do that? how do you learn those things? you can’t learn from a book.. best way to learn is if you’re onof ht einor superiors and then w expeirence you learn all the diff complexities
matters little of experience is in sea world
r: our pilot attempt to test the unmonastery in matera produce on e major surprise.. we received truly global attention.. caused us to receive a flurry of inquiries wishing to study, visit, emulate..
ie: of left.. send them to sea world (matera monesatry).. to learn more whalespeak.. we have to go/listen deeper.. to itch-in-8b-souls.. everyday..
r: local survival institute.. to renew people’s belief in the inherent values of their own community
great .. if could go local/deep enough to get to ie: itch-in-the-soul; fittingness; et al.. then defn (next) becomes irrelevant
defining the unmon.. no one will go near it.. at our most ingenious we were an un something..
un something is more creative refusal aka: response.. what we need is alive souls listening deep.. everyday.. and trusting that.. not whales defining or even un defining.. because in the refusing/responding/undefining.. we are perpetuating whalespeak.. sea world
l: cassian – theres a love of the place. and because we love the place we want to take care of the place…but there isn’t a monastic pov about environmental issues per se.. (he had on 50 said he thought eco movement valid but excessive)
still excessive.. if any form of m\a\p.. ie: with all writing on right (and left) side of hard work of keeping things clean.. and perhaps even harder work of deciding who does what and when.
listen to this. no? if you love the place/dance.. no rules/guidelines.. needed.. or even thought about.. otherwise .. right in saying.. ‘won’t happen any time soon’.. if we let go enough.. we can leap.. for (blank)’s sake
if.. we focus on and listen to 2 needs.. deep enough.. that they will take care of all other needs/issues/whatever.. so – do this first. ness.
r: including the key edgeryders unifying thread of social cohesion.. however, promoting widespread social cohesion required the cultivation of internal cohesion. this took very human-sized quantities of time. we could decide to ‘trust the process’, but this was predicated upon having one. painstaking work was still to be done.
a and a ness. they dance. as us.
a nother way – sans painstaking work (red flag)
somehow monastic rule as form of life provides a potential infra for cicil un coop
that’s whalespeak.. civil un coop is keeping the same structure (sea world)..
3 stories too big but also perhaps not beg enough: anthropocene, capitalocene, and my fav, chthulucene, the chthonic (underworld) the not yet finished, ongoing, abyssal and dreadful ones.. that are generative and destructive and make gaia look like a jr *kindergarten daughter.. perhaps need the anthropocene and capitalocene but perhaps authoring **something else
we need a *kinder mindset.. as in not yet scrambled.. and a legit **something else
somehow monastic rule as form of life provides a potential infra for cicil un coop
repeat fro 53.. still whalespeak.. civil un coop is keeping the same structure (sea world).. hari rat park law et al
in itself.. the textual work that documents, reproduces, and translates these form of living comprises a vital aspect of daily service..e valuation is not a separate institutional department
whalespeak.. let go of any form of m\a\p
monasticism has temporal thresholds of use: what begins as documentation of practice becomes guiding rule for monastic orders.. a regimented form of daily liturgy uses precise and ordered time to construct a situation for the dissolution of a concept.. a presence.. into every moment of living.. a practice turns to rule and returns again to practice, always slightly, nearly imperceptibly altered.. w such practices interwoven and incessant in every action, permeating the raw marrow of the order, the community and the individual, monastic rule acts upon various scales of being and organization..
yeah.. see.. whalespeak
carhart-harris entropy law et al.. let go of all the red flags.. of any form of m\a\p
precarity remodeled as indecision
decision making is unmooring us law
the bricolage of projects and their workers often gather monthly in circles to beg decision by consensus or consent: ‘do we want more plants?”.. the language wants to initiate new spaces..
oi.. we have no idea what legit free people would be like.. aka: whalespeak
elevator acted as multiplier for skyscraper.. language too acts as tech of multiplication.. ‘managementese’.. the language of corp certification and quality is both produced by organizations like the international org for standardization and continues producing offspring orgs in its wake.. as well as the set of corp practices eager for their validation.. the forms of language we use, as transmutation of our and others’ desires, act as a multiplier when they attach to capital, infra and identity
oi.. rather.. language as control/enclosure.. let’s try this infra.. sans capital.. sans identity.. et al
somehow monastic rule as form of life provides a potential infra for civil un coop
repeat line from 53 and from 54.. ..still whalespeak.. if un coop.. still working in cancerous infra.. let go