using whales and sea world.. to refer to the idea that ..

most/all people are like whales in sea world

(so people who are not themselves spinning their wheels in the tragedy of the non common.. perpetuating not us ness and non legit data.. et al)

which is meant to mean.. most/all data is non legit (so.. history ness.. research ness.. non legit)

which begs we quit spinning our wheels with that (whalespeak et al)

original reference from

scienc of what happens to people

collecting data on human learning based on children’s behavior in school is like collecting data on killer whales based on their behavior at Sea World.

from science of people in schools.. which all came from Carol Black‘s..

..a thousand rivers:



whales act/whalespeak/whatever as they do because they have been stripped (via the supposed to’s of sea world et al) of their essence.. and so they ungoingly seek to fill those missing pieces with whatever – ie: gabor on addiction/trauma/needs


adding page while re re reading david graeber‘s debt:

slaves/whales = dead.. because st\ripped of context

gare enslavement law et al

the death of us ness

what we need to do first.. is get us all out of sea world.. hari rat park law et al


@meedabyte I am paraphrasing a tweet you recently shared – I hope accurately.
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/indy_johar/status/1375875620601741320

links to post by on dark matters nov 2020 (18 min read)- #beyond the rules: https://provocations.darkmatterlabs.org/beyondtherules-e3ab44f0dc3

How we organise has always been interwoven with how we perceive ourselves. Our prevalent models of organisation are heavily designed with a bias to self-reinforcing ideas of humans as separate and self-interested individuals and our systems designed with an emphasis to stratify and control. When we apply these principles to the purpose of creating ‘public good’ it leads to ‘good’ that is entangled with deep harm.

thurman interconnectedness lawwhen you understand interconnectedness it makes you more afraid of hating than of dying

what we need is for our org/infra to be a means to undo our hierarchical listening to self/others/nature.. so that we grok legit perceptions of selves.. (aka: not whales.. and not in sea world)


“I found my tribe” @rgibli describing her journey into work resonating with the room. #Profut https://t.co/sNzV0UsiJ7

Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Worth/status/1616396326471700480

i didn’t know how to people

rather.. ‘didn’t know how to whale‘ (for all of history) we all have been more like whales in sea world.. we have no idea what legit free people are like (black science of people/whales)

hari rat park law et al


from daniel (w) on whales:

via responses (and responses and responses) to daniel (w) on regen & self org tweets:

… are you saying we are *not emergent properties of the dynamic nested complexity of life as a planetary process? … and I don’t get your **reference to whales … fyi I studied marine mammals in the wild ***not in captivity and that’s 30 yrs ago [https://twitter.com/DrDCWahl/status/1637375912390926337?s=20]

*just saying not in an undisturbed ecosystem.. so not ‘emerging‘ naturally

**originated from carol black quote that i’ve called black science of people/whales law.. her direct quote ‘collecting data on human learning based on children’s behavior in school is like collecting data on killer whales based on their behavior at Sea World.

***yeah.. so i guess i’m being that ridiculous.. to say .. (to me) nothing to date has legit been in the wild.. (to me) all the ecosystem is to some degree disturbed.. from people who truly believe they are free/natural.. to scientists with very clean/appropriate labs.. to whales in the wild.. we’ve already disturbed the natural emergence in all the spaces..








1\ undisturbed ecosystem (common\ing) can happen

2\ if we create a way to ground the chaos of 8b free people