m of care – may 21

Visual Assembly in Madrid, second meeting 21-05-2021

visual assembly


20 min – jamie: on selecting 100 random people from around the world.. snapshot of human family.. first world assembly about climate change.. so a really broad learning process..

we need to get out of sea world (agenda climate et al)

24 min – nika: maybe we also need a learning process.. select a group of people..

25 min – charlie: we didn’t have any pre training.. but i would have benefited from school of kelsey fry.. good because had to be present.. aware.. but then didn’t have ability to help steer people.. not control the narrative .. but understand where you needed to not reign things in.. but understand what was happening with the group.. i remember afterwards.. david saying what had happened was kind of like what happens when adults get permission to think of think w/o constraints.. so go thru a process of being quite childish.. which is great.. but it’s like.. *let’s push thru that because otherwise you might as well get children to do this because they’ll get straight down to business.. so there’s this dynamic we need to be aware of **so we know what’s happening w the discussion.. so we can maybe pick up the ***goal posts and move them somewhere else.. and ****steer the convo in a properly open way.. does that make sense..

oi oi oi.. we need to let go of any form of people telling other people what to do.. which includes listening back to any whalespeak in order to order/steer us..

*wow.. we need more of that not yet scrambled ness.. we need to swim in that.. ie: 1 yr to be 5 ness.. graeber care/free law.. et al

**maybe.. but maybe we need to let go of discussions.. esp since they all seem to be via whalespeak.. to diff degrees

***need to let go of goal posts.. any form of m\a\p

****yeah.. to whales.. we gotta let go..of all the red flags.. ie: proper; properly open; steer; push thru; know; discuss; goal;.. oh my.. we need to get out of sea world.. not legit open/free if all those

27 min – nika asking about training assembly before visual assembly

elizabeth: all we’ve been doing is practicing.. and as we practice.. there’s a deeper understanding.. so maybe whoever is going to be drawing on the ground.. get together in smaller groups and practice.. and get as much from them/it in advance.. the more warming up all the participants can do in some capacity.. the smoother and easier to navigate the obstacles that will invariably come up.. you will have developed trust in oneself and in participants to adapt to the shifting conditions.. because *being in public is complicated.. the tech is complicated

see.. i think we have this all backwards.. not about prepping for the large group assembly.. we’re modeling ie: revolution in reverse.. graeber revolution law.. revolution of everyday life.. all wrong.. we’ve made *this true because we keep insisting public is sea world (tragedy of the non common)..

imagine if we just focused on listening to the itch in 8b souls.. first thing.. everyday.. and used that data to connect/coord us.. we wouldn’t need to steer or engineer trust .. whoever is in a space would be there because they couldn’t not be there.. which makes steering irrelevant.. and impossible.. (zinn obedience law) and we finally realize the unconditional ness of trust

the re\set we need to get to the energy of 8b alive people: art (by day/light) and sleep (by night/dark) as re\set.. to fittingness/undisturbed ecosystem

and back to charlie/david.. legit art ness has a lot to do with being legit free (un scrambled).. like a healthy 5 yr old

it’s not about steering/engineering people you’ve brought together in a space.. it’s about listening deep enough to who craves to be together in a space.. and then trusting them to for whatever they want to do together.. letting go of trying to control that..

so .. (my interp of david’s interp of freeman structure law (?)).. it’s about a mech to facil that chaos.. (getting people who crave to be together together).. not to facil/steer/structure the people once they’re in a space..

30 min – nika: asking how many zoom sessions needed in before actually assembly to be trained.. (jamie: are you asking me?) .. yeah .. you’re the experienced person for the assembly in the zoom

jamie: this is terrifying.. i’m still getting my head around what this is.. how does the zoom link to what’s happening on the ground

charlie: i was facil ing a zoom mtg like this.. and then we were communicating what we were discussing to nika and david on the ground and the people that were helping them.. that’s what we need to sort out.. how the tech works on the ground.. what we were trying to do is have a zoom convo at the same time as seeing what was going on.. it was a kind of front/back camera thing.. so we’ll need to work on several pieces.. but in terms of the interaction.. it was like.. what are we agreeing here.. what are we talking about.. and then trying to condense that down and communicate it to the people who are doing the drawing


32 min – nika: we were drawing the city of care and now we’re going to draw museum of care.. so basically reimagining social institution.. how they could function differently than now

we need to let go of the institution ness.. the structure ness.. otherwise it’s going to be same song

charlie: there might need to be interpreters on the ground to hear the orders and do the drawing.. and.. what are we doing next.. that’s where the interfaces might be difficult..

33 min – savitri: nika and i talked about having rev billy perform the directions at a group of people.. also thinking about dancing to music you couldn’t hear.. so like a back up system.. so if problems.. w/o disengaging people from public.. is there a way everyone could be listening to the convo.. so the nodes of talking to the nodes of drawing.. more broadly.. maybe tech challenging.. but more functional on ground than having one person translating

sounds like rsa ness.. all the people on the ground rsa drawing the zoom convo.. all you have to do is have them on their phones w ear buds

35 min – elizabeth: perhaps when an instruction comes thru in the zoom.. could be a secretary in place on ground that could write ideas out.. so facils could see multiple instructions at once.. for artists to draw

37 min – so those on the ground .. it’s a performance.. carnival ish.. but the way people make decisions could be spread around..

thinking more.. city sketchup ness.. for revolution in reverse et al.. so that there’s no middle man interpreting.. and there’s no set date for an assembly (that you have to have many pre trainings/discussions et al for).. there’s just people doing their art/interest/fittingness/itch-in-the-soul.. on the city .. any day .. every day.. in the moment..

40 min – nika: so can we make the decisions of how many in zoom and how many times meet before..

jamie: it’s gotta be global.. 20 people makes it easy.. so might be able to meet week before.. i can meet with them and work out what we’re going to be doing on the day.. so you guys would need to help get that 20.. so then on the day.. can have 20 w break out rooms.. get excited about diff areas.. come back.. reach some consensus .. diff ways to get it to you on ground.. one way.. livestreaming on ground.. would get good vibe going.. we need to know what the people on the ground want to get from us.. but off top of my head 20 people from around the world would be a glorious thing

42 min – nika: we want to produce a stunning piece of public art.. collectively.. that will really shake the world.. and after that everybody would understand that museum needs to be something diff that what is existing now

49 min – nika: on problem of diff languages.. the good things about visual assembly.. will have stencils.. info graphics .. that we’ll put together before.. when training the group.. that’s one way to collect the words.. the vocab they use when they describe some place as a museum

51 min – elizabeth: good idea.. hoping to make the stencils here in san fran.. makes sense to be in convo.. so specifically representational.. ie: rice, corn,.. staple concepts for the museum.. then we have an anti capitalist sketch booking class.. and the emergence of certain symbols in their doodling.. so i’m curious to see what’s coming out as they sketch.. so might be some that fit the needs of the moment.. to symbols that can be interpreted openly by people in assembly in artist.. goal is to allow flexibility to do both

54 min – nika: so previous.. were going to look for person to come up with lexicon.. and now.. we’re going to ask these people what they want and then go and create.. so will have to meet w people from assembly now.. not 1 week before assembly.. so time for images to be produced..

clive: might be easier to just get a set of words together.. then ask the artist to illustrate it.. groups doing assembly would then receive this lexicon.. so will end up with diff styles/rings.. may not be legible.. but in that legibility may be better.. has to be intriguing.. gets people imagining.. so i suppose a list of words is what i would ask for..

56 min – nika: from the assembly people.. so have to get the 20 people..

clive: asking people .. what is the museum of care.. then from those sentences.. a set of words to make

jamie: so clive is that an assemlby before an assembly.. what is the museum of care.. or are you talking about doing it live on the day..

clive: people’s assembly to get those list of words sounds like a good idea

savitri: sounds like 3 steps.. 1st two (1\ question, 2\ actual assembly, then 3\ event on ground).. are like training for 3rd.. (2 and 3 on same day.. live)

1:00 – clive.. so we just need a way to make the stencils.. and get them to madrid.. so the more input we can get in the beginning on that lexicon.. the more powerful the visual assembly will be..

elizabeth: i would suggest.. artists of day .. probably already have good visual/imagery reps of communities involved.. so worth using

nika: so to be simple.. we don’t need an assembly to collect the lexicon..

1:01 – jamie: i think tapping into groups people are already talking to.. amazing groups.. between us.. may be able to get together a really global assembly.. and work on lexicon of how people understand museum of care.. and i think 20 is too small now.. let’s go 30

1:04 – jamie: i think getting local artists to do most of the stencils makes sense

daniela: i think w the language.. so i made some mixed up.. beauty of the language had a diff significance.. having a super rich speech

we need to take that to the limit ie: idiosyncratic jargon ness

tower of babel ness

savitri: maybe we need a working group to assign the working groups.. via email..

john: some kind of org.. can’t do this w 30 people..

could if we didn’t engineer it all.. nit pickey.. because it’s great what you’re doing.. but it’s not modeling the revolution of everyday life.. the revolution in reverse.. that we need

john: potential danger for me is that we put loads of effort into a thing that no one understands/sees..





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