liminal village
via michel bauwens tweet [https://x.com/mbauwens/status/1791379578755354660]:
Marlow examines the project undertaken at Liminal Village, to create the conditions for a federated network of communities: * Liminal Village: The Community of the Future (Federated Networked Collectives) …
zachary marlow.. zachary on revolutions
linking to 90 min video mar 2024 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjaXIUHyhOI]:
Liminal Village: The Community of the Future (Federated Networked Collective Intelligence)
COMMUNITY is the answer to nearly every problem on planet earth– humans working and living together in groups, regeneratively. It’s an elegant, obvious answer to nearly all our problems, and the geniuses at Liminal Village, *a moneyless transition community in the mountains of Italy, **have figured out how to scale off grid ecovillage life to the whole planet. This is a mind-expanding exploration of how to live in community in the 21st century, detailing the sociocultural shifts and the technological operating system that we can evolve into all over the world to self-organize in an interconnected, holonic (parts containing the whole), non coersive, regenerative living model to solve the metacrisis and radically improve our own quality of life. Founder Roberto Valenti talks through the ingenious resource based economic operating system he’s been programming as we weave in artifial intelligence, integral philosophy, anarchism, web3, bioregionalism and so much more in this high level jam. We dive deep into the syntropic upward spiral of NETWORKED COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE, a way to scale and interconnect autonomous groups into a federated tapestry of solutions to completely change how we live and coordinate, while getting back to the most obvious, intuitive way to be: in community.
*needs to be sans any form of m\a\p
**not if still any form of m\a\p
***@robertovalenti https://liminalvillage.com/ [others intro selves at 4 min:
Liminal Village is a co-living and co-creation eco-tech hub in the center of Italy. We have been experimenting with forming and weaving temporary communities aimed at creating value for the world, heal themselves and heal the collective, by emphasising the balance of personal, local and global regeneration. Inspired by the concept of a Resource-Based Economy, Liminal, meaning “a place of transition” or “a place that occupies both sides”, is an embodied experimental ground where value-aligned people come together to co-create and experience the future they would like to see *(eg: Game B) Using natural cycles to guide progress, we focus on reinventing how we can live in harmony with each other and the planet, by **“upgrading the operating system of society” and transitioning from scarcity based market economies to “access abundance”. Together with other eco initiatives around the village and around the globe, we are kickstarting a regenerative network of interdependent communities.
*jordan (green)hall or daniel schmachtenberger? ..explaining it
**need io dance ness of the dance
there’s a legit use of tech (nonjudgmental expo labeling).. to facil a legit global detox leap.. for (blank)’s sake.. and we’re missing it
legit freedom will only happen if it’s all of us.. and in order to be all of us.. has to be sans any form of m\a\p
notes/quotes:
Community is common Unity something that unites you brings you together to that community liminal is not the One thing neither the other is actually the moment of Passage the moment in which.. your previous self becomes your next self..the previous economic system becomes the next economic system is really on the edge
liminality.. liminal thinking.. common\ing.. thurman interconnectedness law.. et al
how we gather in a space is huge.. need to try spaces of permission where people have nothing to prove to facil curiosity over decision making.. because the finite set of choices of decision making is unmooring us.. keeping us from us.. ie: whatever for a year.. a legit sabbatical ish transition
2 min – a place of transition.. local..The Grassroots up to the global I see them in a village like in the middle as a place of transition between these two energies and so at the bottom you have mycelial (a discrete subspace domain containing the mycelium, or roots, of the fungus Prototaxites stellaviatori) networking services that are building community and this is a very local process and then you have people in the global sphere.. pollinators.. Come to this place and bring their knowledge and their experiences and what *I would like in the future is to really have that as a place where these two energies can connect with each other these two worlds kind of come together and spread all over ..t these two areas Village in between in between all the households that consist of this Village it was in between like the current economic system and the one that is to come so I can imagine a future of the liminal Village as a decentralized town across the entire region or the entire region and and just not how many people as a condensation of this new economic system that is maybe **not even just new it’s something that we always did in the past something that is more aligned with nature but it brings in this new technologies that we’ve managed to develop to become interconnected and be able to satisfy the need from the people and from the planet at the same time ..t
*infinitesimal structures approaching the limit of structureless\ness and/or vice versa .. aka: ginorm/small ness.. ie: a whatever/sabbatical ish transition via tech as augmenting interconnectedness via nonjudgmental expo labeling
**already in each one of us.. just need means (nonjudgmental expo labeling) to get back/to graeber stop at enough law.. the dance of an undisturbed ecosystem
4 min – *we have opp to rethink everything.. then intro (3) hosts.. matt holdan, amanda smith and zachary marlow of moneyless society
*but we keep not doing that.. graeber rethink law et all.. for (blank)’s sake.. we keep not letting go enough
**money less ness
6 min – roberto: Into different monetary systems or monetary policy economic systems that were actually not create the same problems that we see in this current system ..t how is the relation with each other and relation with the planet and do we need to put physically in accounting and monetary system in between or **can we do it differently..t so about 5 years ago I kind of started
[note.. not founder.. zachary
*has to be sans any form of m\a\p otherwise same song
**yes .. ie: bachelard oikos law.. and so we can’t not
try/code money (any form of measuring/accounting) as the planned obsolescence w/ubi as temp placebo.. where legit needs are met w/o money.. till people forget about measuring..ie: sabbatical ish transition
8 min – r: as a place experimental ground where we are creating the Mirage of how this world could look like and so we actually invite people from all over the world to come and create it with us and with that basic questions and as *a basic ground rule we actually having we want people not to be coerced into things because of course if you create a different system and ultimately some people is forced by somebody else to do something then we just back a square one we just change the name of the game but it’s the same game.. t and but if you cannot do that **then how do we come together and coordinate and organize around the things that we’re called to do something that we think is important and then coordinate to the maximum efficiency to actually make that a reality realization..t so now for ***five years into this experiment and we’ve been great failures and great successes in in this.. using this experience to ****build some technologies that are then kind of rooted into the ethos and the knowledge that we are acquiring doing this experimentation..t all this time so we’re now really at the edge
*huge .. legit non coercion ness = sans any form of m\a\p
**need means (nonjudgmental expo labeling) to undo hierarchical listening as global detox so we can org around legit needs
imagine if we listened to the itch-in-8b-souls 1st thing everyday & used that data to connect us (tech as it could be.. ai as augmenting interconnectedness as nonjudgmental expo labeling)
how we gather in a space is huge.. need to try spaces of permission where people have nothing to prove to facil curiosity over decision making.. because the finite set of choices of decision making is unmooring us.. keeping us from us.. ie: whatever for a year.. a legit sabbatical ish transition
***our 5ish yrs on the ground: story board [2008 to present]
1\ undisturbed ecosystem (common\ing) can happen
2\ if we create a way to ground the chaos of 8b legit free people
****there’s a legit use of tech (nonjudgmental expo labeling).. to facil a legit global detox leap.. for (blank)’s sake.. and we’re missing it
legit freedom will only happen if it’s all of us.. and in order to be all of us.. has to be sans any form of m\a\p
ie: tech as it could be as means to listen to every itch every day.. tech w/o judgment .. something tech can do and we can’t
10 min – troy from us: been here 5 mos.. they had a very good orienting framework here that we work on the individual and then the local and then the global and what I like to refer to as a cosmolocal perspective and so yeah we we do a lot of great things here in real time and in real life
troy wiley.. ?
13 min – troy: Some very profound operational and principles around not just being but also doing and so we hope to create like *a template or a framework where they can extrapolate to other regenerative projects and also connect with a lot of different programs around the world ..t also that there’s a lot of healing mode everyone due to our degenerative Society is in need of healings for doing **our own personal healing work t..look forward to be going back to Asheville in tomorrow and you know maybe ideas
*.2 conversations.. as infra/template ness.. in the city/village/whatever.. as the day
**need: bachelard oikos law.. et al
oikos (the economy our souls crave).. ‘i should say: the house shelters day-dreaming, the house protects the dreamer, the house allows one to dream in peace.’ – gaston bachelard, the poetics of space
15 min – [simon?]: i’m very curious I like to imagine futures my career I.. didn’t take long before I was following the money.. I did quite well working in corporate finance for big tech company ..it was apparent that there was *something innately incredibly wrong with the fact that we could organize ourselves so efficiently so many millions of people organized in such a way to not make the world a better place but just to make the economy run just to make more money just make more money for the people with money..t and so I spent most of my career counting other people’s money and helping them to make more money..destroy me living in this degenerative economy and so I eventually Tapped Out and it’s taking me a good few years to heal spend a few years in in South America ..just I was somehow directed towards their their website and watch that video and I was .. like wow these guys and I found myself in Europe a few months ago and I was like it would be very very rude of me not to pay this place to visit and get to understand what’s going on here
*need 1st/most: means to undo our hierarchical listening to self/others/nature as global detox/re\set.. so we can org around legit needs
18 min – simon?: I’ll be back in Columbia in January hoping to Kickstart a regenerative Movement bio Regional movement in the Sierra Nevada ..there’s been a hell of a lot of damage done by man and what’s been stewarded incredibly effectively for thousands of years by indigenous people that live there and so part of the solution is helping to get this land back into the hands of indigenous stewards and giving them the support they need
that’s all of us once detoxed.. holmgren indigenous law et al.. so whatever sabbatical ish transition
19 min: zachary?: Birth of the new world ..this place is a sort of chalice and an experimental space petri dish to explore alternative presents not just the alternative future this far off thing with you know robots doing the work.. *this for me is a very rare place because it’s not coercive..t like you said there isn’t a mandate to get up every day there is a clear intentional rejection of renterism and of capitalist values of monetary values we are no Costless Society here but this is a place where we’re not trading pieces of paper with each other or having a sort of authoritarian mandate that comes from somebody having the land that is that then gives them the power to say I live here and I own you and you owe me this amount of work is a clear rejection of that a communal practices where **it’s not like you can just come here and lay around and do nothing I think everybody here would kind of be like you wouldn’t get kicked out or you wouldn’t get forced but everybody would kind of throw shade at you until you either leave or change but it’s like if you contribute to the community..t and you’re here working on yourself and you’re working on you know that sort of cross section between your purpose your career your your life your community you know that that sense of your team we share the cost of living here
*even if not coercive (though ref **later in this para to a raised eyebrow ness makes it coercive.. means others aren’t free enough to keep from being inspectors of inspectors et al).. still not rare enough w/o tech to facil that unconditionality
**that’s coercive.. need brown belonging law.. pearson unconditional law.. for the dance to dance.. and need tech w/o judgment for that seeming chaos
24 min – s: The second law of Thermodynamics is the law of entropy..everything ultimately will wither out that everything Trends towards *Lower State of order ..we’ve somehow managed to **reverse that process and you know the response to this to this rule is that we need to gather everything for ourselves and we survive
*oi.. carhart-harris entropy law
**the reverse is thinking we need to know/show/prove some order.. not the seeming dis order of entropy.. of the dance
28 min – r: need a re localization.. of where are we sourcing everything we need.. rather than all the shipping.. uses less energy/resources.. *We need a system that allows us to actually say what it is that we need so we do have the internet but we do not have a system to actually let broadcast do what it is that we need here or in our surrounding or in our bioregion or why not into the entire planet.. have this technology today already to actually do that we just need to choose that that’s the way we’re using it ..t and **in order to do that we will need the sort of like a protocol an infrastructure ..t an infrastructure that we need that is shared with a way that we as Humanity are going to agree to communicate what are our needs and how can we satisfy them in the most effective way..
*tech makes no diff if wrong/non-legit data.. need self-talk as data to get to and then org around legit needs..via tech w/o judgment to match us
**2 conversations.. as infra every day.. as the day.. graeber stop at enough law et al
35 min – s: on stewarding your space for everyone else.. if everyone has that perspective
rather.. if everyone has that perspective.. will eventually end up with same song.. not the dance that will set us free.. brown belonging law et al
35 min – z: we want to see this model take off everywhere that this is a way of living .. a way of organizing Society.. if you have an ecosystem a little habitat you design it well.. have a good system or meeting people’s needs .. t
the deeper issue is that in our overwhelming global intoxication.. we can’t hear our legit needs.. we need tech to facil that global detox leap.. from org-ing around needs every soul craves (but can’t hear)
40 min – s: all these technologies that we build standing on the shoulders of giants ..all contributed to the society have all of the knowledge ..and used just to generate more and more profit for the few very very few people that happen to own any interest in these organizations some techno feudalism and it’s in hyperdrive and it’s going to increase and increase with the invention of artifcial intelligence a collecting all of our intelligence is collected intelligence and what we really need is collective intelligence.. we need systems to be able to pull all of our resources/intelligence and arrive at the best decisions possible for us as a species to not just survive but thrive
won’t get to thrive ness if any form of intell based on triage for whales
42 min – (on tragedy of the privatization) r: If we take the snapshot then you say like okay this is everything privately owned and we imagine a snapshot in the future where..everything has been declared common on everything of everybody living on Earth and everybody beyond just now.. so *we need to have this process and this process needs to be rooted into private ownership because that’s what it is right now.. we can’t think about getting enough money to buy off everything .. so once you actually put the layer on top of this fractal map ownership the private ownership you can basically ask the owner hey do you want to play a game you can keep the ownership but this is the rules of the game we’re playing and maybe you can give access to this piece of land or this of the spring or or this house or anything that you basically are stewarding in this location.. Regenerate it.. a house that you just leave on its own after 20 years is completely destroyed.. nature is taking it over.. **if you have people that are that are basically allowed to be inside this house because they actually focusing on local regeneration and they’re planting down trees composting the old game just underneath it
to me this is sabbatical ish transition
ie: code money (any form of measuring/accounting) as the planned obsolescence w/ubi as temp placebo.. where legit needs are met w/o money.. till people forget about measuring..ie: sabbatical ish transition
45 min – z: *this immensely complex brilliant coordinating system that roberto has been developing on the shoulders of giants of others like holochain of holographic system for coordinating mechanism for society..t you know a scalar system it’s like you look at companies and individual company is not using money between the departments in its company
*super.. if sans any form of m\a\p.. but haven’t seen any holochain.. holacracy.. holacracy et al law.. holonics.. et al .. doing that yet.. to me why sabbatical ish transition is so key..
esp the.. code money (any form of measuring/accounting) as the planned obsolescence w/ubi as temp placebo.. where legit needs are met w/o money (any form of m\a\p).. till people forget about measuring..ie: sabbatical ish transition
48 min – s: *It’s about building abundance protocols ..t we live right now in this scarcity paradigm .. absurd when you think about the abundance this planet generates.. **actually has to be not enough for the economy to work it’s built in.. if you don’t have scarcity you don’t have a market the economy doesn’t work and we’ve been building these tools in these systems for centuries that helps us to outcompete our neighbor..what we need now is tools to help us to collaborate to cooperate to co-create so we can realize this vision of abundance
*ie: need means (nonjudgmental expo labeling) to undo hierarchical listening as global detox so we can org around legit needs
**graeber stop at enough law.. only if org around legit needs
49 min – z: yeah.. instead of out competing our neighbor.. we need to out cooperate
oi.. that will lead to same song.. any form of m\a\p.. we need to let go
49 min – t: on article by jordan (green)hall on how we don’t know how to deal wAbundance.. here we are we’re actually entering into an abundant Society with automation Robotics and Ai and they’re discovering now that with AI is able to discover an entirely new material compounds that we wouldn’t have found in 1000yrs.. And I’m reminded of the daniel schmachtenberger .. quote when you combine rivalry Dynamics .. exponential technology with Rival Dynamics.. unless we get an antrivalry and Omni win instead of this Rivals win lose game we are going to self-terminate.. but there’s great hope in in my opinion in artificial intelligence *the pace of the rapid pace of creating regenerative possibilities is just amazing so if we can sort of out-compete or outpace the degenerative use of AI then I think we’ve got hope t
jordan on crisis into opp.. abundance.. daniel on non rivalrous structure et al
*pace/speed/expo.. makes no diff if iterating on cancerous distractions.. gupta roadblock law et al
53 min – s: *we need a system that places the emphasis on the relationship the relationships in the network not the nodes in the network but the relationships in the network..t and **what happens when we use money to do that is actually when when there’s an exchange of money and an exchange of goods would it actually does it erodes the social fabric it erodes the relationship
*2 conversations as infra for missing pieces
**10-day-care-center\ness et al.. actually erosion if any form of m\a\p
56 min – r: on federation ness via hexagon ness
57 min – r: So we’ve been working on multiple pieces in the same way and the metaphor of a computer you know you need the screen to see what’s happening you need the keyboard to type in you need the mouse to click you need to not drive to store information you need a computer processor information so *we’re kind of like using the same computer obviously we are the remote control the ones that says this is what we need and on the other side you have infrastructure that basically tracks resources all the way from where it’s extracted to how it feeds into each other to create **the things we actually need..t so in a way you have like it’s a very different way to change the concept of like this
*yeah that..
imagine if we listened to the itch-in-8b-souls 1st thing everyday & used that data to connect us (tech as it could be.. ai as augmenting interconnectedness as nonjudgmental expo labeling)
app flow (input).. app flow (output).. et al
**if we grokked this.. everthing else would fall into place.. so again.. huge.. ie: need 1st/most a means (nonjudgmental expo labeling) to undo hierarchical listening as global detox so we can org around legit needs
58 min – z: demand driven rather than supply driven.. starts at the need
59 min – r: replace incentive by tracking distractive ness.. t
don’t need.. irrelevant if org around legit needs
1:01 – z: intrinsic motivation but that’s really what we’re living here.. even within the monetary system ..people are working to meet their basic psychological needs.. ..*those needs are autonomy..your ability to be free.. make your own decisions ..t and **connectedness relatedness how you’re connecting to other people..t the communal social elements of it and ***Mastery or competence how well you’re doing it.. the satisfaction of doing a good job..t and so if we can apply this intrinsic motivation you know to a system that’s completely dominated by extrinsic motivation and think about that at a system level we changed that that system into something that is external and extractive
*missing piece #1.. but curiosity over decision making
***if restore both missing pieces.. mastery/competence/good-job-ness.. irrelevant s.. so cancerous distractions
z: if you just develop delayed gratification.. if you can pause and just wait that energy is going to come back to you later it is going to have greater a greater flow
oi.. not about pause.. about having garden-enough ness from the get go.. hari rat park law et al
1:02 – r: I would maybe upgrade the intrinsic motivation because sometimes it’s like people are intrinsically motivated but *doing nothing for a while because you’ve been extracted by system so you just want to do nothing at all.. it’s not just about intrinsic is about transtrinsic.. **it’s about how do we feel called to do something that we know our community needs and the planet needs..t
*huge.. millman never nothing law.. pearson unconditional law.. et al.. and we’re missing it.. we have to let go of people telling other people what to do et al
**oi.. to me that’s whalespeak.. keeping us from the dance et al
this is a huge cancerous distraction and we keep cling\ness ing onto it.. if we don’t trust what’s already on each heart from the get go..we will eventually be playing same song .. the dance won’t dance.. it’s that resistance to unconditionality.. that Insistence on at least some conditions that brings in coercion et all.. it comes down to us not thinking the other (even that there is an us & them ness) is capable.. it’s where graeber violence in care law comes in.. thinking that we’re going to help others when we have no idea what their legit needs are.. It’s about not trusting the other to listen for himself
brown belonging law et al
1:03 – s: has to be something people want to be a part of .. t.. how this might scale to a global level
yeah that .. huge.. but what we keep missing.. the everyone ness.. has to be about something everyone craves.. has to be that deep from the get go
we need a problem deep enough to resonate w/8bn today.. a mechanism simple enough to be accessible/usable to 8bn today.. and an ecosystem open enough to set/keep 8bn legit free
ie: org around a problem deep enough (aka: org around legit needs) to resonate w/8bn today.. via a mechanism simple enough (aka: tech as it could be) to be accessible/usable to 8bn today.. and an ecosystem open enough (aka: sans any form of m\a\p) to set/keep 8bn legit free
there is a nother way
1:06 – z: we need a collective intell model..
intellectness as cancerous distraction we can’t seem to let go of.. again brings in that people telling other people what to do ness et al
there’s a legit use of tech (nonjudgmental expo labeling).. to facil a legit global detox leap.. for (blank)’s sake.. and we’re missing it
1:06 – troy: You talk about collective intelligence and I’ve been realizing in the regenerative Movement *we have all of these gatherings Gathering .. going on for decades ..all of this amazing intelligence .. and what happens to all that.. t .. there’s a lot of collective intelligence that seems to dissipate when people go away from these gatherings..t and then all their excitement Fades away and let’s meet up again next year
*makes no diff how much if non legit.. ie: if like data from whales in sea world
hari rat park law et al
**red flag it’s a cancerous distraction
1:07 t: with help of regenerative AI we can actually start collecting some of the *intelligence and wisdom and using it or or the good of the movement and instead of the degenerative practices..t of collecting information that’s so extractive now that’s being used against us and we are the products
*yes.. ie: self-talk as data
imagine if we listened to the itch-in-8b-souls 1st thing everyday & used that data to connect us (tech as it could be.. ai as augmenting interconnectedness as nonjudgmental expo labeling)
1:08 t: on yanis on technofeudalism
1:09 – t: he actually makes the point that every time you you post on Twitter .. every time you post on Facebook every time you do a Google search companies profit.. and could be commonized.. because *it’s it’s the people’s data the people’s intelligence and so we could almost communize that
*but.. and this is also huge.. that data is all whalespeak.. so cancerous distraction.. we need diff/legi data.. so need means for global detox.. so we can hear and org around legit needs
1:11 – z: if we can catch this information this energy the greatest and truest energy.. *perhaps the reason we exist to produce ideas and feed that information into a model that is trained and that becomes a sense making apparatus and a tool that can collect our information into entities into personalities into we call totem pole
*yeah.. i think we have that wrong.. black science of people/whales law.. inthink we have no idea what legi free people are like.. i think they’d be too pre occupied with being.. need to try claiming tool 3 min a day
1:12 – s: *it’s all about who’s on the other side of the transaction if it’s the government on the other side of the transaction if it’s corporation on the other side of the transaction then of course you’re not going to be comfortable with giving them all of your data..t giving them all of this information.. if tech as a reflection.. if it’s going into the commons for the common good to be able to create a better world .. and you can trust in that process that is **not going to be captured by somebody who’s just going to try and turn it into dollars..t then you know we can use this technology for good
*needs to be tech as it could be.. ie: tech w/o judgment
**this is where gershenfeld something else law is huge.. only ‘security’ from dangers of khan filling the gaps law et al
1:14 – s: the totem pole.. *to reflect the communities values..gets a whole different result than you talking to your little personal AI and so ***this conceptual concept is is an idea that we want to try and develop
*sorry guys this is another huge oversight.. if you’re really wanting global/legit freedom ..the whole brown belonging law and maté trump law et al.. and the need to listen to the itch-in-8b-souls.. first thing.. everyday.. and used that data to augment our interconnectedness.. before we get compromised by externals because then the dance is not the legit dance of an undisturbed ecosystem.. again..
how we gather in a space is huge.. need to try spaces of permission where people have nothing to prove to facil curiosity over decision making.. because the finite set of choices of decision making is unmooring us.. keeping us from us.. ie: whatever for a year.. a legit sabbatical ish transition
**so wish we could talk..
1\ undisturbed ecosystem (common\ing) can happen
2\ if we create a way to ground the chaos of 8b legit free people
but you can’t hear me.. which is exactly why we need tech/ai as it could be
1:16 – z: the question.. how do we go from here to there.. this liminal space to next
sabbatical ish transition.. there is a nother way
s: *well it’s not easy.. we still live in old paradigm.. so **need to find ways to shift people’s mindset w regard to money..t
*takes a lot of work as red flags.. what makes it ‘not easy’ is our cling\ness.. gupta roadblock law.. et al
**let’s try/code money (any form of measuring/accounting) as the planned obsolescence w/ubi as temp placebo.. where legit needs are met w/o money.. till people forget about measuring..ie: sabbatical ish transition
1:18 – s: capital need is food/life..
rather .. the energy of 8b alive people
humanity needs a leap.. to get back/to simultaneous spontaneity .. simultaneous fittingness.. everyone in sync..
1:19 – t: on joanna macy
1:20 – t: part of that shift in Consciousness is recognizing that *a new language.. a regen language.. Certainly a place for accessible language.. we are being called to find the Simplicity on the other side of that complexity and we can do that with regenerative language..t so it’s I’m **not calling for super highbrow intellectual language but there’s some new terms that we need to become comfortable with if we’re going to actually evolve into this regenerative paradigm.. t
*aka: idiosyncratic jargon
**even ‘some we need’ is a cancerous distraction.. needs to be no prep.. no train
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