liminal thinking

on liminality:

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In anthropology, liminality (from the Latin word līmen, meaning “a threshold”) is the quality of ..

ambiguity or disorientation that occurs in the middle stage of rituals, when participants no longer hold their pre-ritual status but have not yet begun the transition to the status they will hold when the ritual is complete.

During a ritual’s liminal stage, participants “stand ..

at the threshold” between their previous way of structuring their identity, time, or community, and a new way, which the ritual establishes.

a nother way ness

The concept of liminality was first developed in the early 20th century by folklorist Arnold van Gennep and later taken up by Victor Turner. More recently, usage of the term has broadened to describe political and cultural change as well as rituals. During liminal periods of all kinds,

social hierarchies may be reversed or temporarily dissolved, continuity of tradition may become uncertain, and future outcomes once taken for granted may be thrown into doubt. 

The dissolution of order during liminality creates a fluid, malleable situation that enables new institutions and customs to become established. The term has also passed into popular usage, where it is applied much more broadly, undermining its significance to some extent


on Turner: He became aware that liminality “…served not only to identify the importance of in-between periods, but also to understand the human reactions to liminal experiences: the way liminality shaped personality, the sudden foregrounding of agency, and the sometimes dramatic tying together of thought and experience”.

The attributes of liminality or of liminal personae (“threshold people”) are necessarily ambiguous’. One’s sense of identity dissolves to some extent, bringing about disorientation, but also the possibility of new perspectives. Turner posits that, if liminality is regarded as a time and place of withdrawal from normal modes of social action, it potentially can be seen as a period of scrutiny for central values and axioms of the culture where it occurs. – one where normal limits to thought, self-understanding, and behavior are undone. In such situations,..

“the very structure of society [is] temporarily suspended”

and/or permanently.. suspended.. if we set to disengage from normative ness structures

‘According to Turner, all liminality must eventually dissolve, for it is a state of great intensity that cannot exist very long without some sort of structure to stabilize it…

mech simple enough.. to keep us free/liminal..

either the individual returns to the surrounding social structure…or else liminal communities develop their own internal social structure, a condition Turner calls “normative communitas”‘


Turner’s approach to liminality has two major shortcomings. First, partly due to criticism, Turner was keen to 1\limit the meaning of the concept to the concrete settings of small-scale tribal societies, ..Second, again staying too close to his own experiences, Turner attributed a rather 2\univocally positive connotation to liminal situations, as ways of renewal. However, liminal situations can be, and in actual fact in modern era, rather quite different: periods of uncertainly, anguish, even existential fear: a facing of the abyss in void

imagining a world – ginormously small – where antifragility is the thing that keeps us sane.. swimming in uncertainty ness.. as the day..

realizing today.. we have tech to facil that (7 bill people following their whimsy.. rather than insisting upon some voluntary compliance ness for the sake of structure.. aka: the fear of structure less ness)

from chart: liminal moment – revolution


When the spatial and temporal are both affected, the intensity of the liminal experience increases and so-called “pure liminality” is approached


Philosopher Karl Jaspers made a significant contribution to this idea through his concept of the “axial age,” which was “an in-between period between two structured world-views and between two rounds of empire building; it was an age of creativity where ‘man asked radical questions’, and where the..

‘unquestioned grasp on life is loosened’


in those liminal periods that affect society as a whole, the future (what comes after the liminal period) is completely unknown, and there is no “ceremony master” who has gone through the process before and that can lead people out of it.

In such cases, liminal situations can become dangerous. They allow for the emergence of “self-proclaimed ceremony masters”, that assume leadership positions and attempt to “[perpetuate] liminality and by emptying the liminal moment of real creativity, [turn] it into a scene of mimetic rivalry”

unless we are ready/design for that ie: gershenfeld something else law..

life is ongoingly unknown.. until we embrace that.. we kill ourselves.. daily.. no?


Of beings

Various minority groups can be considered liminal.

perhaps we all become minority.. no..?  approach the limit of infinity .. of idiosyncratic jargon/thinking/being ness.. the dance..

perhaps public consensus always oppresses someone

In reality illegal immigrants (present but not “official”), and stateless people, for example, are regarded as liminal because they are “betwixt and between home and host, part of society, but sometimes never fully integrated”. Intersex or transgender people, bisexual people in most contemporary societies, people of mixed ethnicity, and those accused but not yet judged guilty or not guilty, are liminal. Teenagers, being neither children nor adults, are liminal people: indeed, “for young people, liminality of this kind has become a permanent phenomenon…Postmodern liminality”.

should it not be.. ie: once we define/label.. we deaden the being ness

 The “trickster as the mythic projection of the magician – standing in the limen between the sacred realm and the profane” and related archetypes embody many such contradictions as do many popular culture celebrities. The category could also hypothetically and in fiction include cyborgs,hybrids between two species, shapeshifters. One could also consider seals, crabs, shorebirds, frogs, bats, dolphins/whales and other “border animals” to be liminal: “the wild duck and swan are cases in point…intermediate creatures that combine underwater activity and the bird flight with an intermediate, terrestrial life”. It should come as no surprise that these liminal creatures figure prominently in mythology as ..

shapeshifters and spirit guides.

adding page via this day/share by Dave on fb:
post about roots and sources (it’s also in the appendix of the book):…/the-roots-of-liminal-thinking…
Liminal Thinking is a discipline with deep and tangled roots that are not easily unraveled
The word liminal means “a state, stage, or period of transition.” It derives from the Latin root limen, which means threshold. This root appears in the English words preliminary (an event preceding something important), subliminal (below the threshold of consciousness), and lintel (literally threshold).
Another branch in the Liminal Thinking root system is the concept of nonviolent resistance
same day Dave shared this..Joi had this convo with Jamil – on nonviolent action


adding page because of our need to live/communicate a nother way

ie: hosting-life-bits via self-talk as data.. could get to the root of us.. help us dance.. help us see what only the heart can see/hear

auroville ness .. for 7 bill..

we can.. so we can’t not..

going to the limit.. of idiosyncratic jargon/thinking/being ness..


io dance

short – problem/mechanism/system


art ist bot ist ness

structure less ness




small world network

ni ness

www ness


Tom Barrett (@tombarrett) tweeted at 4:45 AM – 7 Feb 2017 :

5 Questions with Dave Gray: Liminal Thinking, Doom Loops, Attention, Beliefs, Filter Bubbles & More (

the moments or times of transition and change that are all around us in life.

image: conscious: supraliminal … unconscious: subliminal.. inbetween: liminal

where there are a lot more opportunities for change than usual.

haven’t got routine yet…opportunity to change your habits and create new behaviors.

if you think something is obvious.. bears closer examination

When you hear something that doesn’t make sense to you, try not to quickly discount them, saying “that this person’s crazy” or “they’re an idiot,” but actually listen to them and ask yourself, what would you need to believe for those things to be true? Try to understand where those beliefs came from.

Instead of arguing with someone who’s beliefs are different than yours, ask how they came to those beliefs.

If you can recognize that your beliefs are the product of your own experiences and emotions, and that other people’s beliefs are the product of their experiences and emotions, it becomes much easier for you to start understanding the beliefs.

danger of single story ness.. i know you ness

What is it that makes me feel threatened or emotionally unsafe when I hear this?

unoffendable ness


fb share by Dave Gray about Elon Musk:

This is really really interesting. It’s liminal thinking

liminal thinking

“The most important point I want to make is [that] the true problem, the true difficulty, and where the greatest potential lies is building the machine that makes the machine. In

imagine building the machine/mech that frees up all the people

new factory would deliver a “ten-fold improvement” in productivity.

would deliver a never ending x-fold improvement in eudaimoniaive surplus

Musk had reverted to his childhood state as a devourer of information and had emerged from this meditative process with the realization …

that’s huge part of ..freeing up all the people.. so imagine 7 bn of us doing that..

reverting to childhood state as a devourer of info – aka: curiosity


The seed of each idea was planted by calculating what physics dictates is possible, not extrapolating from the status-quo.

imagine thinking diff (beyond status quo) even moreso.. deep enough for 7 bn today

Musk turned his attention to the factory where he said the same amount of effort yielded an order of magnitude more results.

yeah.. so again.. magnitude beyond.. ginorm small..

Lot of engineers don’t realize this is possible. They think there’s like a wall. They’re basically operating according to these invisible walls and we’re in the process of explaining those walls don’t exist.

a nother way – no walls .. no prep.. no training