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Paul writes:

What’s driving it is the failure of the current model of capitalism to answer some basic questions: like where will the jobs come from if automation takes over our lives? Where will high wages come from if workers’ bargaining power is just repeatedly stamped down by the process of globalisation? How will this generation be secure in old age, if the pension system is shattered and we face half a century of boom-bust?

what if those aren’t really the driving questions.. but rather perhaps .. what would we do if money didn’t matter.. what does earning a living even mean. like Brand noted – perhaps our soul’s choice – doesn’t even appear on the ballot.


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Paul Mason (born 23 January 1960) is a British journalist and broadcaster. He is the current Culture and Digital Editor ofChannel 4 News, having previously been economics editor of BBC2’s Newsnight, the author of several books, and a visiting professor at the University of Wolverhampton.

In May 2007, Mason’s book Live Working or Die Fighting: How the Working Class Went Global was published by Harvill Secker. The book was longlisted for theGuardian First Book Award on 24 August 2007. 

In January 2012, Mason’s book Why It’s Kicking Off Everywhere: The New Global Revolutions was published in paperback by Verso.

He is a supporter of Leigh Centurions rugby league club …


via Paul – heavy insight into greece ness – summer 2015

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Paul produced – and dreams shall take revenge (out 2015?)


tweeted by Jason july 2015

Without us noticing, we are entering the postcapitalist era. At the heart of further change to come is information technology, new ways of working and the sharing economy. The old ways will take a long while to disappear, but it’s time to be utopian

revolution of everyday life – revolution as –  instigating utopia everyday – Michael Hardt

if such a society is structured around human liberation, not economics, unpredictable things will begin to shape it.

indeed.. let’s do this first – free art\ists

The power of imagination will become critical. In an information society, no thought, debate or dream is wasted – whether conceived in a tent camp, prison cell or the table football space of a startup company.

perhaps we try in refugee camps

why should we not form a picture of the ideal life, built out of abundant information, non-hierarchical work and the dissociation of work from wages?

a nother wayradical econ ness


Millions of people are beginning to realise they have been sold a dream at odds with what reality can deliver. Their response is anger – and retreat towards national forms of capitalism that can only tear the world apart. Watching these emerge, from the pro-Grexit left factions in Syriza to the Front National and the isolationism of the American right has been like watching the nightmares we had during the Lehman Brothers crisis come true.

We need more than just a bunch of utopian dreams and small-scale horizontal projects. We need a project based on reason, evidence and testable designs, that cuts with the grain of history and is sustainable by the planet. And we need to get on with it.


deep/simple/open enough..

in the city. as the day.



from 2013 –on the future of capitalism:

capitalism is like an organism.. has beginning, middle, and an end… and it mutates to survive

i think we got the end wrong…

solutions have been over and over – to print more money

6 min – wave 5:

1\ network (it is the innovation – not the computer – kkelly) replacing hierarchy;

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2\ rise of info goods

3\ rise of non-hierarchy

4\ eco-determined market

who are the new people to bring this thing?

i don’t think this is a form of capitalism… ie: paul romer 1990 – info goods destroy price formation mechanism based on scarcity

less ownership, more sharing

not far off – physical goods same as info goods

14 min – the free wipes out the paid for…. everything is pervaded by fight between network and hierarchy

15 min – who are the people (to bring this about)..?

17 min – expelling labour form the capital labour movement

it’s created the networked individual… not very collective.. but very powerful… whoever brings this new thing .. is them…

networked individualism – not so selfish.. but awake


july 24 2015 – interview – guide to a post capitalist future

What we’re seeing [today] is rapidity of innovation not being matched by roll-out or business model evolution. Which begs the question: at what point does the potential automotive power of this technology actually get deployed in a third industrial revolution? I can’t see it happening in the neoliberal paradigm.


The Keynesian era produced the last generation of hierarchised, collectivised selves. I was produced by it and I know that that world has gone. One of the virtues of being 55 is to have seen the new world born. [Today], as Foucault put it, we are entrepreneurs of the self. The internet [has] allowed the masses to be part of the social laboratory of the self. It allows us to do it in a way we haven’t begun to understand. It’s created a new human subject.


All visions of social justice have from now on to begin with [what I call] the “networked individual”.


The positive externality for Google is that it can see what we are searching for but we can’t see what each other are searching for. So it can now construct a monopolised business model on the basis of the secrets [revealed by] its data-mining.

so new – 3rd rev perhaps – self-talk as data ..


the less utopian way of doing it is that you pursue the interests of those networked individuals, which is for their information not to be stolen from them, their information not to be arbitrarily accessed by the state, their lifestyles to be allowed to flourish, for them to have choices.

something else to do ness


I spend as much time as I can listening to people.


my aim is to get people into an out-of-body experience, huddled on the floor in a pool of their own tears. Then, when they come back to the safety of the group, maybe they can do something more honest.


The reason it has lasted so long is that it is dynamic. By contrast, the Soviet system died because it was incapable of adapting.


Where I part company with Mason is his prescriptions. They are remarkably thin, take no account of political realities and it takes an awful long time to get there. First, one has to plough through more than 200 pages of analysis in the course of which the author examines one by one the various economic theories advanced by 19th- and 20th-century political philosophers and various IT gurus.


We have to wait until page 263, a chapter headed “Project Zero”, to discover what the author has in store for us.

First, the big picture. We must reduce carbon emissions, stabilise the financial system and “deliver high levels of material prosperity and wellbeing to the majority of people, primarily by prioritising information-rich technologies towards solving major social challenges such as ill-health, welfare dependency, sexual education and poor education”. Nothing much there that George Osborne couldn’t sign up to. Item four is a little trickier: “Gear technology towards the reduction of necessary work to promote the rapid transition towards an automated economy.”


Item one (“one of the most radical – and necessary – measures”): create a global institute or network for simulating the long-term transition beyond capitalism. Yet another thinktank in which academics and other assorted blue-sky thinkers can talk to one another in impenetrable jargon. Oh, spare us, please.

Item two: public ownership of monopolies including the provision of water, energy, housing, transport, healthcare, telecoms, infrastructure and education “providing services at cost price”. Oh yes, and Apple and Google thrown in for good measure. Presumably this would have to be done without compensating shareholders, many of them pension funds. However desirable, I imagine there would be one or two political difficulties.

Item three: “socialise the financial system”. …..And lastly, the piece de resistance, “pay everyone a basic wage”, …. Or perhaps we could just get the banks to print some more money now that they’ve been “socialised”?

Scarcely a word about how we get from here to there.

how about… 6-12 months prototyping this.. then.. the next day… 7 billion can leap frog to it..

from video

on banks switching off knightism…. to sharing ness replacing banks..

1 min – another book is required – ie: this is what you do..

how about: a nother way

6:20 – zoe – what i’m preoccupied with is the mechanism between diagnosing and mobilizing..

7 min – douglas – ts elliott 1934 – the rock – socialists: people who try to escape from the darkness… that no one will need to be good… you can’t come up with a system/machine that does everything.. morality has to play a role

so – that means we need a system that wakes us up.. and keeps us awake. every day. then we just have to trust us/people.

7:30 – pat – rational panic –

8 min – julia – where is the knowledge – we’ve lost the info – her memory of the rock

8:40 – paul – if c hasn’t had it’s day.. then there’s got to be a better version of it


Paul Mason (@paulmasonnews)
8/7/15 6:53 AM
Here’s @gilliantett review of #Postcapitalism

 “The biggest information product in the world — Wikipedia — is made by 27,000 volunteers, for free,” he observes. “If it were run as a commercial site, Wikipedia’s revenue could be $2.8bn a year. Yet Wikipedia makes no profit. And in doing so it makes it almost impossible for anybody else to make a profit in the same space.”

wikipedia ness.. www ness..

Hitherto, revolutions have usually occurred when workers have united against elites. But Mason thinks this is outdated. “The old left’s aim was the forced destruction of market mechanisms . . . by the working class [and] the lever would be the state,” he observes. “[But] over the past twenty-five years, it is the left’s project that has collapsed

Instead, Mason thinks that it is time to recognise that technology has turned us all into individualists — but connected us by networks in unusually powerful ways. And he wants to use the power of millions of individuals to build a more equal and just world that is no longer dominated by a “neoliberalism [that] is the doctrine of uncontrolled markets”.

Mason’s vision for the future, in other words, is a world where the government provides the framework to enable individuals to flourish but state functions are handed over to citizens. It is a place where people are secure — and equal — enough to use the efficiencies unleashed by automation to pursue worthy goals, such as volunteering to write Wikipedia pages.

It sounds utopian. And Mason does not attempt to describe in any detail exactly how western society might achieve this new postcapitalist world. Nor does he address the issue that tends to preoccupy many unions and leftwing groups today, namely the fact that technology is currently turning many workers into the equivalent of insecure digital sharecroppers, rather than collaborative creative spirits. Just look at the current fights around Uber, and the lack of security for workers there.

a nother way

ps in the open


aug 2015 – capitalism is failing and it’s time to panic


Paul Mason (@paulmasonnews)
8/20/15 4:37 AM
Davos Man discovers #Postcapitalism…

1 of 4 change consumption
simply using products more efficiently will not, on its own, lead to a sustainable economy. By engaging in more efficient forms of consumption within the sharing economy, people save money, which they then spend on other carbon intensive other products and services. For example, someone using a car sharing platform could spend the money they save on holiday flights, thereby increasing their overall carbon emissions.
2 of 4. change work

If this form of innovation grows significantly, the sharing economy may come to transform the world of work. But whether you view this a path to creating new opportunities for entrepreneurship, or promoting the exploitation of low-skilled or low-income workers, rather depends on your political beliefs and values.

3of4. fair share

Paul Mason is not alone in predicting that the sharing economy will bring an end to capitalism. Radical grassroots actors such as Ouishare and Shareable, who are critical of the capitalist economic system, are creating a sharing economy built upon the principles of collaboration, sustainability and equality.

They talk about a sharing economy of grassroots activities, ranging from cooperatives, to open source software and hardware, to crowdfunding, to the maker movement – a social movement which enables individuals to create products, challenging the dominant systems of large-scale industrial manufacturing.

This vision includes grassroots innovations as diverse as bread co-ops, open-source communities developing tools for reducing energy demandKickstarter andFab Labs, which provide people with access to the tools needed to manufacture products.

These activities share a focus on empowering communities and creating a decentralised, sustainable economic system. If these diverse forms of innovation grow significantly then the sharing economy may, indeed, bring about the end of capitalism.

4of4 share fades away

Given the diverse visions of the sharing economy, it’s questionable whether the idea will stand the test of time. It’s possible that the sharing economy will lose meaning as a concept and gradually disappear from public, media and policy discussions.

Perhaps it will be replaced by concepts such as the gig economy – referring to platforms enabling new forms of work – or the collaborative economy – referring to grassroots action to create a more sustainable economy.

It’s hard to tell which path we’re currently on. I for one hope Mason is right, and that the sharing economy will bring an end to an unsustainable system. But I fear that it’s more likely to transform the world of work in a negative way, reducing quality of life for many within society. The people championing this path are those with great power within the capitalist economy.

Meanwhile, those advocating for a path towards a more equal economy – such as grassroots organisations – are currently marginalised and disempowered. It’s clear who the odds will favour.


oct 2015 – via Anne on fb:

You talk about an appetite for radical change amongst the populous. What world events in recent years do you think have contributed to this and how did they feed into your theory of postcapitalism?

The protests that began in 2011 – Occupy, The Arab Spring, [Spanish anti-austerity movement] the Indignados – had common features: they were inspired and fought for by people with individualist agendas. They came together via networks and they lived a networked lifestyle. They had an expanded sense of the possible, and refused to let hierarchical norms stand in their way. Sometimes, like in Gezi Park, Istanbul, in 2013, they spontaneously tried to create in reality the kind of sharing economy they were able to build online. A tent camp is just an online ideal community projected into real space.


How can readers encourage the transition to a postcapitalist society? What technologies can they use to disrupt existing hierarchies?

The most basic technology is the one car workers use when they do ‘total quality management’ – the whiteboard. If we sat around every morning, as they do at Nissan, and asked, “What are we doing wrong and how can we work as a team to improve things?” – only this time not about a production line, but a society – that’s what we need. That’s why I quote a Soviet era economist, calling it “social technology”

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It will take a long time for all work to become voluntary. Right now voluntary collaborations such as those that produce Wikipedia are done in people’s free time. But we could expand free time and see what happens. My guess is more things like Wikipedia spring up – more communal crèches, more self-managed enterprises.

indeed.. let’s do this first: free art ists. 1 yr to try commons. as the day.


because the neoliberal view of humanity was always bullshit. We were never the kind of ‘hate everybody and please yourself’ characters Ayn Rand says we are. However, what postcapitalism does as a concept is give us permission to view our charitable, sharing, sustainable selves as elements of a new human archetype, a new kind of person.

science of people..  we haven’t yet experimented under the assumption: all people are good. won’t work unless it’s all of us. www.


Music – I mean the classical music I studied – taught me above all: no act of imagination is futile. Music is the imagination running wild, through a landscape that is only colour and emotion. Its mere existence refutes the demand of the neoliberals for us to be acquisitive, selfish individuals.


rsa replay – oct 2015  – The Future of Capitalism

we’re in a once in 500 yrs transition.. (not 20)

capitalism is complex… not reducible to profit/loss, capital/labor, but is also adaptive

cycles (alternations of energy) not same as waves

6 min – my thesis – it’s run out of its capability to adapt… they system… the resulting wholistic system, ie: silicon valley to china et al… is broken

8 min – every crisis is met thru fiat money.. the extension of the money supply .. in a way that would have been impossible in any other phases.. allows every crisis to override..

9 min – fiat money produces this problem: smash organized labor, reduced bargaining power of work force.. this post crisis phase.. all countries experience wage stagnation… so credit.. a promise to repay and repay with interest… if you then add in financialization.. so that you depend on credit as much as wages.. create a structural problem.. wages can’t go on supplying repayment…

10 min – does a combo of endlessly cheap money and endlessly financialized life is going to carry on.. or can we dismantle the machine.. i argue we can..

11 min – the machine ness – carlotta perez et al – resistance to change can be a powerful thing.. forces innovation.. solutions not based on just cheapening the labor.. so if remove resistance …

13 min – luddites.. not obliged to innovate

14 min – a way out… strategic.. proper exploitation of info tech. standing in the way – social arrangements we have

info destroy the price mechanism.. command c – copy and paste to zero; command v –

if you subject world of digital goods that can endlessly be reproduced..  then all that stands in way of price being zero.. is a legal arrangement call intellectual property… so you can go arrest everyone.. take money on bitcoin… but nonrivalrous… so have to have a bug in them or a law to pass with them..


so we created these vast tech’s.. blurring edges of work/non-work/life… and de linking hours and wages…. on creating tons of bullshit jobs (graeber)… and challenging structure of ownership – a new kind of economics

25 min – only thing that makes this possible is internet – network tech – knowledge more spontaneously social than any other time… knowledge sits in a kind of place – sits socially rather than in private silos

26 min – defense is – you create monopolies

27 min – the one ness (fb, twitter, google) – monopoly is only there to make sure things that should be zero are more than zero in price.. whole generation of entrepreneurs have realized another … platforms.. (airbnb, uber) – these guys aren’t writing anything .. they’re writing a plan to capture the market bottleneck/revenue.. (unlike zuckerberg, jobs, et al writing code) – rent seeking platforms

29 min – that’s not the 3rd industrial revolution.. they all don’t realize underutilization of info rev

30 min – my thesis in a nut shell: a society which systematically utilizes info to its full potential cannot have intellectual property, a free market, or private ownership..

to achieve it.. make machines free… info and physical.. reduce work to minimum.. automation, ai, robots, … automate world.. that will be 3rd revolution… but i see severe difficulty seeing how capitalism would address it.. if you can de link work and wages…promote the aspect of the world that looks like it’s new.. ie: collaborative, modular, voluntary, free, shared.. ask yourself, what do we really need to do to make this take off..

34 min – modern info businesses are asking – how do we turn it all off.. ie: the sharing.. so ie:, no child/slave labor.. no printing money – except central bank..

36 min – you have to clear away the old elites.. if it weren’t for the urgency of carbon… you could do this gradually… i’d say.. it’s already there.. and we can just nurture it.. but .. we’ve got to address this earlier than we thought we would..

ie: a nother way.. to model a means for 7 bill to leap frog to betterness

38 min – the planning for that project is modeling and simulation

graeber model ness

we’re planning blind because we never model

for the things that need to take place fast.. model them..

take place fast model paul mason

for (blank)’s sake

39 min – if i could bring one institution into being.. it would model the real world… then ask that machine interesting questions…

whoa.. with him.. then nike?

mechanism simple enough

i’m not prejudging… i could see a transition that maintains brands.. but also see something else… you just have to model it…

ok. nothing is off limits. get that.

44 min – my goal – socialize the banking sector – h minsky

50 min – on uber not like inventing a new machine…  it’s not a network.. it’s a hierarchy on top of a network base… so this is not 3rd industrial revolution…

51 min – tim oreilly conf on – disagregated capitalism… can’t solve problem

52 min – far more important to me in the dissolution.. is the dissolution of price mechanism – capitalism based on ip – policeman/lawyer – is not 3rd ind rev nor particularly resilient..

54 min – tech rev – invalidates utopia’s based on work… future society will be based on non work

56 min – de link well-being from work – the way forward is literally beyond work

57 min – economic dynamic of info industry is much less understood than climate challenge.. – so why i’m not talking climate.. (though is a chapter in my book)

besides.. w/ free art ists.. climate taken care of much faster.. not earth that needs to be awakened.. it’s us.

58 min – i want to show conclusions of info theory on economics…

1:00 – the model needs to understand transition..what would martians see… a yellow line… a new kind of economic activity.. we need to understand that… economic models as complex as they need to be… need an aggressive view

radical econ ness

1:01 – climate and poverty et al.. is making the speed urgent.. for me.. to spread debate/discussion/understanding..  if you look at things.. they become not hobbies… but part of new system.. doing things for a different reason… a lot of unofficial interaction ness .. not measured as market

1:03 – i don’t ever use the word – commons – the missing bit is state action and design at a systemic level..

1:04 – new spirit… taking perfectly familiar resources, like money, and using with new spirit.. so i do see it perhaps as a decade long transition

unless.. we craft/model a way for all of us to leapfrog


oct 2015 – paul and yanis

Varoufakis: Greece is a cruel laboratory in which policies are being tested before they are passed on to Portugal, Spain, etc

so let’s go for a humane lab… to model a nother way..



David Harvey


money less

money ness


nov 3 2015 – just from watching tweet stream.. last line says video is coming… (below)

“There is a new kind if human being emerging” @paulmasonnews I wish more people would recognise this fact and thrive from it #Postcapitalism

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“A really radical project would be to change nature of human beings..have human value as valuation source..through morality” #Postcapitalism – bonds idea
Q. Is capitalism fully compatible with democracy? @Phillip_Blond responds saying democracy is losing its legitimacy. #Postcapitalism
@AnnPettifor a perfect antidote to Phillip Blond. Best speaker on the panel. Full of hope not fear. #postcapitalism
.@Phillip_Blond says we are in a “post democratic age” – @AnnPettifor retorts: “our #democracy has been stolen by finance” #Postcapitalism
“We need to de-link incomes from work.Much of our work can be automated” @paulmasonnews Sadly most humans are scared of this #Postcapitalism
Dina Medland @dinamedland

There is a lot to talk about here – the art of thinking at least has clearly not yet been automated #Postcapitalism

Harry Aagaard Evans @HarryAEvans

.@paulmasonnews tells bitcoin developer in the audience that most economists treat bitcoin devs as an anomaly #Postcapitalism

Thoughtful stuff from @AnnPettifor reviewing @paulmasonnews #Postcapitalism.…

Karen Brennan @KarenBoick

Best quote so far ‘we have no idea how to #crowd in the world we want, to crowd out the world we don’t want’ #Postcapitalism

Todd D’Ambra @ToddDAmbra

Is the problem reoccurring here not we struggle to imagine a world without a market. Particularly after the collapse of USSR #Postcapitalism

Vica @ldvcrgrs

Good Q. from audience:How to account for fact that large parts of society (non-middleclass) r excluded from #sharingeconomy? #Postcapitalism

Ian McClelland @ianmcclelland

“We can have a profound economic impact mobilising around a moral agenda” says @AnnPettifor citing Jubilee Debt Campaign #Postcapitalism

‘The capture of the earth’s assets for rent ‘ is the terrifying current face of capitalism says @AnnPettifor #postcapitalism

Working in a mixed collaborative age – feels like a place I’d like to be #Postcapitalism @paulmasonnews

#PaulMason mentions the late, great #VirginiaWoolf. Love the man! #postcapitalism

We need a litmus test for #postcapitalism solutions. How about any choice should nudge us to be more humane rather than more selfish?

@paulmasonnews closes saying collaboration is a better principle than collectivism #Postcapitalism

Closing moments of our #Postcapitalism event -great audience&speakers! Full video coming soon, our book review here:…

Here are my notes and review of Paul Mason’s book  #Postcapitalism at St. Paul’s extraordinary debate.

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PostCapitalism: Envisaging a Shared Future – Paul Mason, Ann Pettifor, Phillip Blond

1 min – on how when we come together.. we can be loyal to the future..

makes me think of  saying nature takes care of offspring by taking care of place that will take care of offspring.. Janine Benyus

4 min – far fewer concrete alternatives… 1\problem w/econ.. baffled/alienated by complexity.. jargon claxon .. understanding having opinions on econ should not be preserve of the few

7 min – Ann Pettifor – leadership of 2000 jubilee campaign.. and book – just money

8 min – paul starts

9 min – talking about networked economy.. networked society is a bit ironic in this space..

modes of production – big.. 500 yrs or more.. economic systems; slaves, feudalsim, mercantile capitalism.. so what comes after.. to the church it’s a 2nd order question… 1st order.. what comes after life

11 min – common retort – capitalism never ends.. it just adapts to problems created by self et al…

to be clear…. in proposing possibility of move beyond capitalism… my starting point..

this is a complex and adaptive system that has lost its capacity to adapt – because of rise of info tech

12 min – evidence for that: 1\ what’s happened to neoliberalism – by neolib i mean the whole world system that’s existed since mid 1980s (other people mean main theology of ayn, friedman) but i mean to focus on .. the whole system – free market globalized econ that we created 1980s after…

the short version: neolib successes were all based on fiat money – money created by states and central banks from nothing.. fiat money 1973 onwards.. really useful in creating dynamic society.. greatest advance in general human well-being ever

13 min – but.. fiat money is great as long as you have an economy that doesn’t exist of workers…  destroys working classes capability to defend its share of income of society… wage share declines markedly… why a problem: if you want to endlessly expand credit against falling wage share… something will go wrong.. ie: 90s asian crash, dot com crash, 2008, ….

15 min – bigger problem… by destroying bargaining power.. reduce incentive on whole system to innovate.. easier to create coffee bar than do something innovative….

on reduced incentives.. only when we feel we’re bound to wages/earnings..would we pick easy route.. ie: if we had more time.. we’d do what needed to be done.. we couldn’t not. we (natural humans) crave hard work. that matters. (this is example of scarred brain from 28 min.. that we currently don’t seem to crave hard work.. because our choice is spinach or rock.. not what matters. we have to do what matters at the end of the day. not as the day.)

problem 1 – inability to deploy innovations it has come up with so far

16 min – the way out – what info tech can do for econ

1\ price – info tech corrodes price system – real price from copy paste will go to zero  …doesn’t just apply to info.. falling price curves of real things.. bandwidth, chips, .. info layer is a layer of reality…

2\ work – dissolve link between work and wages… working 24/7 19 min – time is blurring .. no longer obsessed with hours but outputs and targets

3\ ownership/hierarchy – doing something to ownership and hierarchy, as soon as we could do something and give it away.. we did, ie: wikipedia, linux, apache, …

20 min – but capitalism has a defense – monopolies on a scale we’ve not seen, ie: giant tech companies.. they exist to protect the price… supply and demand doesn’t come into it.. 1\ defend price 2\ create commercial value from info we give away for free

21 min – in my dad’s day – going to bar – convo gave a feel good, today it’s commercialized

22 min – 1\ that doesn’t last .. 2\ we know what happens to systems that has to be imposed by lawyers – not granually renewing – make law as go along.. ie: spotify, uber..  3\ not 3rd industrial revolution

creates possibility toward long transition toward society of abundance.. the info layer of the world is making more things more abundant.. we can utilize capacity.. the thing to do is to promote of transition that does the following..

1\ work reduced to an absolute minimum – strategically de linking from income.. a long transition… to incentivize creation of free time.. to do the wikipedias et al

or a leapfrog to something else (ps in the openio dance)… maybe we have to leapfrog to get to the sweet spot… to get to that sync

when we go the long transition route..  we take turns dancing the dance. we keep missing each other. the system isn’t deep/simple/open enough to set/keep all of us free. at once. and you have to wonder with the hit and miss ness of long ness.. if we’ll ever get in step/sync.. with ourselves.. ie: we get good people selling books while talking about free.

2\ zero carbon/saving the planet… we know about carbon economics.. we need to address.. how we transition ourselves beyond the market..

3\ outcome determined by a human revolution… we don’t know outcome.. it depends on humans themselves take the network tech and evolve themselves… networked individuals – manuel castells – you can’t de network a society

networked individuallsm

rev of everyday life

27 min – of course.. this has been attempted before… society of abundance/community/collab.. where the human bit is valued and hierarchy is shrunken… but such experiments were repressed.. heresies.. then we had utopian socialism… attempted with human brains scarred by earlier industrialization and scarcity

28 min – today – our brains are not scarred..

? – i don’t know – science of people ness – and most people are other people ness.. pluralistic ignorance ness.. seem to be our scars today. that we’re not enough.. unless we can get ourselves approved/sell-able via supposed to’s. our essence is scarce. we sold out in order to fit in. and now we can’t seem to let go… enough to trust us.  so we keep doing partial ness.. perpetuating not-us ness.

another reason modeling matters.. can’t reason it in.. like we’ve forgotten basics.. ie: how to walk.. how to be.

we have the beginning of abundance and out of this we can do something

28 min – end of paul start of ann

despite my own pessimism about his thesis.. we need more utopians.. so i suggest his book.

30 min – on mason’s mutation – capitalism like a virus that may mutate…

[she’s reading her pdf – linked above]

33 min – implication… age as beyond human agency… we are not impotent.. not subjects of periodic abstract cycles.. golden age designed by people.. roosevelt banned bankers from attending except one he regarded as a tame banker

34 min – we aren’t passive… if only we could manage finance sector

? – or make it irrelevant.. no?

35 min – on gains – making money from money

36 min – mason sees internet as structure… sounds utopian . . i see usury with very high paywalls… where he sees positives of networked society – i see uber and airbnb – chesky uses words.. revolution/movement… making airbnb the best capitalized revolution movement in history

all of us thinking of how we can make money from something.. the church existed in early days to challenge usury… essential that we challenge that today..

rontia capitalism – earning money from an asset effortlessly.. if own property and rent it out… almost.. if banker.. and lend money… effortlessly earn interest on loan.. that’s usury.. capitalism that doesn’t dirty its hands…

39 min – phillip starts – capitalism is not just creation of profit… 1\ will never be a property less state 2\ real defn of capitalism.. triumph of non human value over human value… then property is 2nd or 3rd

42 min – only end to capitalism isn’t property or profit but morality… paul needs to be less of an economist and more of a moralist

44 min – on some things going to price zero but some never will ie: price on the unique/scarce.. ie: art… surplus would then pursue other goods.. because human beings in current form are status seeking/conscious

45 min – on this finite earth some things are scarce… status is scarce… and we will pay to gain them.. ie: house, art, land..

46 min – not about fighting surplus… one of the greatest thing about being human .. we constantly create surplus.. what do we do with it… we look after our own to seek status..

47 min – so this project.. really innovative and quite thrilling.. isn’t really radical at all.. what it would be to change the nature of human beings.. aristotle – diff between animal and human is human can change their nature

or perhaps get back to us.. ie: a nother way

47 min – capitalism upholds money worth over human worth .. i want to have human value over source of valuation.. the only thing that has created that is morality: the vision of how we could live…

49 min – today when we create social solidarity.. it’s around race, class, gender, .. et al… these dangerous nationalisms… so if going to really succeed.. we have to recover.. equality as equal opportunity for people to flourish and flourish differently.. only moral agenda.. the only radical political agenda…

50 min – disaster of current age.. no secular alternative.. no secular offer that can bind us into a new solidarity.. until we can create that moral offer.. we’re not going to create anything radical …

ok. fine. let’s do that. one ness via a nother way. let’s leapfrog to that.

52 min – on defensible ips – uber – paul… idiotic money chasing after things that look like holy grail

53 min – yes on agency… but only works with deep economy.. cutting with grain of how people want to live and how tech works.. – paul

q: can capitalism and democracy co exist

57 min – i think we’re in a post democratic age.. rather in a popular authoritarians who promise to deliver age – phillip

58 min – i disagree.. i think democracy has been captured/attacked.. – ann

1:00 – on automation – paul – would collapse amount of labor… we can’t see beyond utopias/societies based on work… radical is de linking income from work… toward the ability to do what we’ve never had the time to do before..

radical econ – frees us up

1:02 – for me – leisure not good – we use it to flea… phillip

well yeah.. because we’re not us..

1:07 – we’ve seen a lot of non capitalist societies and they haven’t been just – paraphrase – phillip

1:08 – answer to bitcoin guy working for free.. asked if walking of cliff or part of something bigger.. paul: you are misbehaving.. you are throwing your product.. gift economy – i think 10000 writing wikipedia et al.. is the future.. rather than pay everyone.. it already exists..

1:10 – i agree.. wikipedia inspires me… but not monetized deliberately.. other sources are.. big banks use your open source software… ann – capitalism is capturing gift ness

1:11 – we need to crowd in world we want and crowd out world we don’t… we lack techniques.. unless we can create new forms of political consensus bridge all forms of division….. we’re not going to get there.. unless whatever you argue is equal to that you’re not even on the starting grid – phillip

indeed – deep/simple/open enough


1:13 – q to paul: i of t as a subversive force to an historic level.. the level of class conflict and social revolution

1:14 – morality – social solidarity is only thing that’s kept communities together.. phillip – i use morality as a sense of imagining an alternative.. top and bottom? create new means of trade.. mass ownership at bottom.. ability to trade..


1:16 – mission of moral agenda has been subordinated by church… church most effective… when challenging immoral forms.. – ann – as i found with jubilee 2000… we’re moving toward work less society and we can’t celebrate it… tech advance assumes we will always have resources… we must realize limits…

1:20 – history doesn’t move in 15 yr chunks.. there will come a time where we can capture it back… that’s my thesis – paul… we have to have a project to stop it..

1:22 – we don’t reverse things.. how green was my valley – paul – we’re seeing the beginnings of the end of it.. what’s replaced the factory is society.. everybody who is networked… the essence of my change project…

1:26 – i think radical is equalizing production.. not just wage.. but everyone producing – phillip.. friendship as unique personal good

1:27 – intellectual property earns you rent.. work of art earns you rent.. so who would want to work.. – ann


1:29 – why book not free – in mixed economy – some free some not.. if you want your book marketed.. across countries… capitalist co tends to do that.. v woolf – mrs brown – talks about how networked people.. i’ve written stuff for free… i have tried throwing stuff free..   collaborative over collectivism.. – paul


nov 2015

What would the world look like if we defeated Isis?

the question now is not how many bombs we want to drop on the HQ of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. It is: what do we want at the peace conference, and what will our own society look like after the struggle is over?

only way to truly defeat any bad.. is to make good for everyone. rb – love more

ie: none of us are free if one of us is chained… and/or if one of us wins..


again – for optimal energy\ness

let’s do this firstfree art-ists.

for (blank)’s sake

a nother way


dec 2015 – shared by Molly ..

#thisisacoup (doc) – produced/narrated by Paul

Yanis comments and interview


Fwd: Debating the strategic insights of Paul Mason on a phase transition towards the commons society | P2P Foundation

This is why his book is so key. Both Rifkin and Naomi Klein in their latest books leave you concerned about how precisely we can make the transition practically. Both stresses that a commons model of production is emerging potentially to provide us hope that is practical. Mason agrees and he uses Kondratiev and Marx and Benkler and Bauwens to argue and show the transition needs to be over a long cycle of a 50 year or so K-wave but the key thing about Kondratiev’s analysis as he shows so well is that the crucial part of the K-wave is the breakthrough required with new systems in the first 25 years.

whoa. hope not.. may lose sync that way.. maybe not. may lose people that way. earth that way.

But Mason shows this is no ordinary K-wave historically because we are talking about a new mode of production, not another late phase of capitalism.….. However for such a new mode to emerge that Mason sees is a co-operative commons mode, we must open up the possibilities. Here he shows that capitalism will have to be re-regulated for the common good. He draws upon Keynes and post Keynesians like Steve Keen to show how we will need to use the state to bring finance and capital under control. He uses the wonderful term ‘financial repression’ to describe this so well in the last few chapters of the book.

global do-over

So the Mason analysis here is similar to Gar Alperovitz’s work on America after capitalism that shows ways and means to tackle usury and rentier capitalism. Not sure if Mason is familiar with Alperovitz and his arguments for a pluralist commonwealth as he does not cite him. Mason though similarly argues for a pluralist approach with a new set of enlightened politicians (hopeful here for a new left) supporting proactively the new mode of production while at the same time using regulation and planning to radically reform capitalism. But as he stresses, we are not starting from a blank page given the existing large share of the state in the GDP – 40% plus (60% in Denmark) in developed and many developing countries.

perhaps we should be…  ie: radical econ ish

Moreover to underpin the urgency Mason powerfully sets out sobering facts to highlight that unless we do so, the global pension industry will implode, bullshit jobs and precarious work will escalate and the climate change will fry us. Another global banking crisis will lead not to a bailout but a bail in of depositor funds as governments cannot borrow like they have already now done.

for (blank)’s sake….


But a Keynesian social democracy approach is not sufficient as he shows. Hence the need for the new commons and co-operative mode aligning with a radical state to collaboratively co-develop postcapitalism with the commons being the focal point for where we need to evolve to over the next 50 years. Mason is sound, very strategic and clear this is a long march but one that needs to begin now like with the efforts to address climate change and to tackle austerity with new practical policies needed for implementation as soon as entry places can be found.


3. Are co-operative commons enterprises on an upward trajectory?

Here is where Mason is weak as he is not so aware of the detail you set out so well from your former position Henry as a senior civll servant in the Department of Communities and Local Government under Blair and then Brown. But Mason shows very clearly that unless the small and good commons and co-operative projects become more aware of the repressive neoliberal forces and how to overcome these positively and practically with an alliance with the state, they will be contained, held back and remain what Paul Hawken points to as the Blessed Unrest. But I think as a former civil servant you will see that the macro-level policies Mason sets out and his new approach to planning could indeed enable the co-operative commons to emerge. …..In my view all these perspectives can benefit from an analysis that has been missing and that Mason supplies and Klein, Rifkin and Piketty leave us a deep hunger for. He goes way beyond the lack of radical politics and in depth analysis of capitalism that Rifkin is silent about and that though I love her book, Klein does not know the detail to talk about in the way Mason does.


One interesting story that you will love Henry is the references here and there by Mason to sci-fi book written by the Russian socialist Alexander Bogandov a century ago about Mars and a peaceful transition to co-operative commonwealth. Bogandov was the founder of systems theory and complexity science and a bitter opponent of Lenin. This tale is captivating as Boganov wanted to connect democracy, co-operative control of work and science and social technology with the ability of states to plan. .. The juggling act here is not easy but Mason provides confidence and facts to show it can and must be done to secure as the late Raymond Williams argued, a compelling case For Hope to be made more concrete and Despair less convincing.”


@p2p _foundation

Paul Mason: the P2P Movement has paid insufficient attention to the state

With the exception of thinkers such as Michel Bauwens and McKenzie Wark, few have bothered to ask what a whole new system of governance and regulation might look like in this new mode of production.


49 min – for many labor people… labor was their nation.. and still is…

my challenge (for scotland) … stop arguing for what should happen and start doing things…

50 min – what everyone is engaged in now.. ie: let’s redo constitution… i’m saying.. just do one thing.. just resist conservative rule… and then .. if there’s one thing we all agree on.. ie: living wage, welfare, trade union laws… let’s do it


51 min – i’m not arguing for mass civil disobedience… take something to supreme court… i’m just saying don’t ask for permission.. just do it.

53 min – politics is not just about asking westminster to do things for us.. smart cities..


56 min – beyond the media.. ie: why oscars all school boys..

58 min – the majority voice in this country has no voice on tv… take control of your own media..

1:00 – left ch 4 – journalist job is to push all rules.. i want to be able to speak openly about politics.. and to do that.. you can’t do the news…  not a frustration of those rules.. but .. i’ve got to be free to argue these ideas.. happening all over..

1:06 – people have to have their own corner…



Steel crisis: the Conservatives do not give a shit.…

At stake are two things.

First 40,000 manufacturing jobs in Tata and its supply chain.


So question number one is does the British government want to intervene to save these jobs, and the communities that depend on them.

The second issue is steel as a strategic resource. If you want an independent defence industry you have to have a steel industry. Given the nature of war, many of the things you need to fight it — like tanks, submarines and missiles — have to be made of metal. At some point that metal has to be produced in a furnace. Furnaces use large amounts of energy. Energy is expensive because we need to wean ourselves off carbon.

whoa. two things at stake: job industry and defense industry..?

what if those are two things the human soul is begging to disengage from..


keynote to glasgow econ forum 2016

For me the answer has to be framed around a wider problem.


If I am right, the strategic issue for governments — alongside the post-carbon transition — is managing the transition to a situation where the price mechanism is no longer the main allocator of goods; and that a large part of production — not just of ideas but of things — follows the dynamics of abundance rather than scarcity; and the state is positioned in the middle — managing the process but dwindling in economic size.

The key to that transition is the creation of a low-work economy through the rapid, pro-active deployment of automation technologies and the delinking of wages from work, and the provision of basic necessities and services.

This is not science fiction.


Instead of machine minders we become question askers.


we have to pursue a different kind of structural reform:



Rather than the “new Marx” I am the new Henryk Grossmann, says this academic paper:… – for uninitiated, that’s bad

bits from Fuch’s pdf:/critique:.

p 5 – google and facebook are not communications corps they are the world’s largest ad companies… based on attention

p 6 – digital and info capitalism is not impossible, as mason clans. …aim and tendency of destroying the law of value is not an automatism that flows from info and info tech. it can rather only be achieve in conscious political struggles for the decommodification of info, the econ and the world.

p 8 – if one bases books on journalistic observations and not on systematic, critical empirical studies, the such short circuited one dimensional analyses are the outcome….. sometimes it would be better that journalists go (back) to uni and do phds in order to learn some social sci and conduct systematic empirical research before they write books..


to Paul’s tweet..

perhaps what’s bad… is micro managing a revolution of everyday life ie: phd ing it rather than living it…


Paul starts at 1 hour in livestream – #dcentmadrid 2016

he is the interviewer.. and it’s all in spanish – except his questions..

2:53 – panel on alt ways – monitoring – Francesca.. on panel – Paul

2:54 – francesca – beyond policies of representation… so what are these platforms.. how do we build these together..

2:55 – paul – post capitalism – after 50 yrs of observing/reporting on horizontal movement…  i observed a clear problem.. one no and many yeses allowed us to create movements no longer under control.. also led to .. a concept – refusal to win – if all you can achieve by winning is 20 cent socialism.. many people believe better not to win.. i also believe that.. so i wrote book to say.. ok.. i don’t have answer.. but if want to create a framework in which we win.. what is it..

2:56 – info tech .. diff than all other techs.. theory that info tech creates cog capitalism.. i don’t believe info tech is heading to cog capitalism… i think it has prevented capitalism’s ability to adapt..  what’s happened before (capitalism never doomed) because of capitalisms ability to mutate..  during mutations.. new tech.. new business models w higher wages .. higher consumption needs.. and call new tech paradigm.. i say info prevents creation of new tech synthesis… creates jobs but not fast enough to replace jobs destroyed..

2:58 – because we fear automation we don’t automate.. instead we create millions of jobs that are low paid and do not need to exist.. so new tech paradigm has not fact.. living through biggest tech capability alongside biggest stagnation..

2nd – info tech makes utopian socialism possible.. that is.. it makes small scale experiments at life changing radical changes in practice possible in a way hierarchical 20th cent does not..

2:59 – for me.. therefore.. project becomes.. 1\ to understand state, market, and non-market sectors.. problem.. econ doesn’t even see this third econ.. see it as people w a hobby… so first.. insist to the elite that the 3rd sector exists… second thing.. however we get power..

3:00 – we can proactively grow that sector.. the formula.. grow 3rd sector by regulating in a way that favors it.. switch on creation of high well being.. can be done w/o legislation simply by deciding to do it.. next .. regulate market sector.. to produce social justice and green outcomes.. and rethink what state does… de link work from wages..  if state could begin to provide inputs to labor.. housing/ed/healthcare.. that’s even more effective than basic income…

3:02 – cities are natural base to begin these experiments… a new agent of history: the networked individual.. and city is where they want to live.. networks in cities.. multi layered and resilient… so easier to survive the backlash.. cities are symbolic.. and places where you can high amounts of political power.. and state operators don’t function in same way.. ie: no secret police/state…

3:04 – next phase – 1\aim for big clear demonstrative outcomes.. free wifi for everyone to use cell for free.. cheap/free housing.. big achievable things.. 2\ set narrative.. insist that why we are doing this is because system is broken.. some things we can do are keynsian.. remixing in a radical way 3\ create clear horizontal network between radical cities.. if one city discovers innovation works.. it arrives ready made in other cities next morning..

3:06 – 4\ create drag/drop template for city action..

ie: hosting life bits ness .. as trail.. facilitator.. of us

3:37 – paul – most important thing to conquer is this fear that we can’t do anything.. we have to educate ourselves that not everything happens at once… most important thing.. gain footholds of radical control…one thing i want to take.. knowledge that we have to build hegemony/consent for what we are trying to do..

begs we make it deep/simple/open enough for all of us



Luxemburg Lecture by now online:… #Transformation #Capitalism

4 min – on luxemburg not taking into account how capitalism can adapt

5 min – the unconquered network of everyday life.. for capitalism to work.. all these things must be commercialized..

6 min – info tech has now robbed capitalism of its ability to adapt..

7 min – system broke in 2008.. has not been mended.. cannot be mended

9 min – hard question.. what replaces neoliberalism

10 min – facing change as large as rise of capitalism in 16th/17th cent… might take a cent

11 min – at its heart.. info tech robs capitalism of ability to adapt in normal way and simultaneously opens a route beyond market system… where we’ll have state, market, and non market (collab) econ

info tech has 4 impacts: 1\ dissolves price mech 2\ blurs edges between work/leisure and erodes link between work/wages… 3\ creates.. for first time in 250 yrs.. an innovation cycle where machines destroy jobs but new higher paid jobs are not created by new techs.. 4\ enables spontaneous rise of a non market sector of econ .. where collab/non-ownership/non-managed business models are rising

13 min – roma – on control c control v.. non rivalrous..

15 min – info is physical.. it requires mass and energy for representation.. so if zero price dynamic exists.. makes price of storage/bandwidth/processing power.. ie: dna sequencing fall exponentially

16 min – deloit has predicted will go on developing exponentially.. not stabilize like electricity or the movies

price of mill transistors print $220 30 yrs ago – now 6 cents… now 1-3 bill on new iphone

17 min – zero price.. not a unique idea.. so why don’t we have low prices.. because capitalism has spontaneous defense mechs…

18 min – monopolization process: competition… can only always be one.. so as to suppress price mechanism..

19 min – 1500 sales of track on itunes – earns min wage.. on spotify.. 1.2 mill

problem w these monopoly defense mech.. monopolies erode.. new monopolies arise.. but in each phase have to monopolize more than they did before..

20 min – imagine when fb.. et al go same way as blackberry.. we may get ultra monopoly.. … or…. and then prices will have to fall..

21 min – think about uber – its the ulta vista of sharing econ…

22 min – they imagined what monopoly in mini cab would look like.. then created tech to do it.. tech could be written by you… all that stands in way is the smash and grab tactics of these so called platform monopolies.. which is to go into space that has rules.. dare them.. then take to court…

23 min – so uber too.. could easily be replaced… don’t be lulled into thinking any of these market killing monopolies are permanent or invulnerable..

24 min – 2nd problem for info monopolies.. is conceptual.. once capitalism relies on a set of artificial legal protections.. ie: copyright/patents… it’s no longer really capitalism... what copyright/patent owners want.. even after world has exploded.. ie: universal still own copyright… all time and forever throughout universe..

we know what happens to systems that have to be enforced from computer screen of a bureaucrat every morning.. and non spontaneous ie: soviet union

capitalisms beauty was in granular and small scale of price formation.. system is spontaneous.. once it has to be imposed by lawyers every morning.. like a command econ..

25 min – now to what info tech does to work – reduces value of inputs to labor.. pooling of wage levels around min.. it means market is being abolished everywhere below blurs edges between work/labor.. ie: working in plane..  we work to targets.. no longer to time… info allows modularity… no longer case that have to be working together…

27 min – creates possibility of rapid automation… but not actuality… instead u.s. goes on creating/making low income jobs.. need to maintain people inside the finance system.. and maintain consumerism.. graeber – bullshit jobs.. you pretend to work.. they pretend to pay you..

28 min – today 5 men replace  1 machine to wash cars.. but run when police come. because undocumented so working for way cheap..

30 min – hippie stuff done by working class people because no other way – ie: squats et al

32 min – problem – economists can’t measure it (non market sector).. well.. it’s not necessary… in situation of abundance.. micro measurements not necessary…  info tech.. creating beginning of abundance.. socialization of knowledge alters relationships.. from buying things.. to buying experiences.. and new knowledges..

33 min – what about energy and raw materials.. 100% recycle..

34 min – info makes utopian socialism possible… or.. keynes predicted by 2030 would be abundance.. what humanity problem would be if econ ceased to be a problem… what we’d be concerned with then.. is beauty and creativity…

35 min – neoliberalism’s problem and stagnation its causing and capitalisms inability to adapt and reach where it hasn’t yet reached.. i want us to move our eyes off brilliant experimentations in collab.. and move toward asking the state… to look at new econ and protect/encourage it.. using micr econ ecology.. the state can do that tomorrow..

38 min – unless you revive dynamism from below in a granular way – keynes

i’m part of emergent radical left in europe.. that wants to negri/bauwens.. podemos/syziria

39 min – why can you imagine the doom laden zombie infested end of world.. but can’t imagine graph going vertical.. because can only go vertical if in fact.. the well being .. econ activity.. rising knowledge is not captured in market.. but beyond the market… quality of human life/experience.. we have to have the courage to imagine/design it..

a nother way

40 min – engage.. with the idea of a modular pb design.. for econ that moves beyond market.. we can all have a goal.. role of state – cut as rapidly as possible.. cost of labor… ie: free housing, ed, transport..

41 min – purpose is not to provide profit.. but to provide free things for most people… how hard is it to explain to other people that we could be providing things free from state if we just repurpose what we do w taxation...

until we realize we don’t need even that.. no..?

42 min – transition must coord w climate transition..

43 min – european union and germany..  time for leaving is not now.. ultra right has hijacked whole thing.. seeking return to thatcherism..

48 min – q&a

51 min – made virtually before made.. tried mill times… to most defects eradicated.. means no lack of imagination is wasted anymore… reduce cost of physical work..

52 min – on data being listened to

like caleb w plants..

53 min – it’s about conceptualizing the transition

ie: hosting life bits.. for rev of everyday life

56 min – entirely w/in our lexicon to understand these things..

and beyond.. no?

58 min – quite inspired by hilferding.. finance capitalism theory.. became a shared lexicon..  in book i’ve purposely stayed away from political strategy..

59 min – but personally.. if we could erect a kind of intellectual playing field.. where we could talk to our colleagues..

ie: 2 convos ness

1:00 – horizontal structures don’t abolish power imbalances .. every tent camp gets ie: sexual harassment.. et al..

or have we just not yet gone 100% (all of us and horizontal) – so we haven’t seen the dance we’re capable of .. science of people ness.. and partial trials ness..

1:01 – transitions have objective laws.. you can’t solve everything by will power.. have to study what you’ve created.. how it’s interacted.. so ie: role of state in transition

1:04 – subject of agency/change.. small scale.. but also w global/org force.. what i say about agency.. i believe that proletariat in history was most powerful/advance subject.. but what it generally wanted to live in a space w/in capitalism.. what it wanted/accepted was more control

1:05 – what’s happened proletariat has doubled in size.. this quality of being more individual/networked.. less spontaneously collective..  saying working class doesn’t work like working class anymore.. ok.. so we educate them or.. capitalism has created a lot of people.. thinking self is selfish.. ie: we saw people written off as passive/useless rise and do things..

1:07 – if work taken off table.. negri.. in modern capitalism… because we’re exploited 3 fold (ie: certain my credit card holder makes more off me than even my employer)… society is like the social factory.. we have to find each other across factory floor/society.. i do believe networked individual… transformed and made better…

1:09 – how would ubi impact your theory

1:11 – i support ubi – we need to trial/model it.. it’s a worn off subsidy for automation.. we won’t raise productivity unless de linking work from wage.. our utopias were based on work.. so have to be supplemented now by other utopias.. lots of trials happening.. but need more.. and with big computers.. macro economically…

so lots of trials.. 7 billion.. with perhaps ginorm small computers.. chip collecting self talk as the day..

we need to do this.. because a lot of people experimenting with it believe it could be a dream.. but i want people to accept it’s doable..

think about ubi for 2025.. in britain

1:13 – state – issue of urban space – cities.. networked individuals gravitate toward cities.. an analog of network.. cities as unit of experiment..

in the city.. yes.. perhaps what we keep missing.. as the day ness

let’s do this firstfree art-ists.

for (blank)’s sake

1:15 – mainstream is predicting stagnation.. worst if like 80s.. embrace nationalism.. only thing is to avoid 1930s

1:17 – neoliberal state.. problem you have w/o proletariat.. state and proletariat both hierarchical.. but w/o it.. problem: have to build hegemony of ideas.. try to find a way of making them inhabit minds of people so activity everyday embody them..

what..? we have to do facilitate chaos of dissensus.. no..? rather than consensus on idea.. bring people together (tribe ness) that already have same ideas/curiosities..

1:22 – q: will it be poor of world doing first a: like in all tech driven transition.. it’s the advance countries that have to go first.. advanced first.. then combined and uneven development.. then… ie: m pesa.. 5 yrs.. works.. proves you can map high tech on low tech societies then they can work out own combined solutions


1:25 – q: finding across factory floor – what about hashtag activism  a: not really activism… i do believe sm has removed state monopoly over propaganda.. but doesn’t solve ideology.. what i do think is important.. what movements have done is used sm to find each other.. don’t have to go through hierarchy if have a distributed network..

1:28 – on copper wire on house.. we put switches.. more intelligent use of raw material.. should be able to use raw materials much less by adopting the equiv of switches.. ie: using things more intelligently..

and/or focus on more humane data – ie: self talk as data.. via hosting life bits

1:29 – i’m not in favor of the planned econ.. rather..a growing collab sector.. that grows it’s own rules.. a market that’s shrinking.. and a state that supports it.. flying blind.. i’d rather start in city than world.. but are global things we could do.. ie: transcontinental energy system..

1:33 – network effect.. all of us interact together.. a third thing is created.. either we control or others control.. now big co’s are farming/owning it all.. part of struggle is to take control away from them..

or exponentially practice another way.. that makes them/control irrelevant

1:34 – larry page interview – he wanted to have a machine that knows everything.. can’t do that until everyone can ask it.. problem now.. is that only they can see it and not us.. so never see right questions…

1:35  ai is going to be really big.. one worry – ai moves computing back to center.. natural form of ai business on monopoly w/ centralized control.. ai needs one person to ask question.. humanity needs everyone to ask questions.. struggle involves.. how do we remove from large corps.. their assumed right to own/see collectively produced data

self talk as data.. via hosting life bits

1:37 – my optimism comes from this.. one of virtues of being 56.. is to see how much more intelligent/connected/better human beings a young generation are.. that has high access to info and high understanding of personal worth as human being..  i do think those on young end of things.. have shown.. w/better access to info and better understanding of self.. can do things.. that .. rather than techno utopian theory.. it’s humanistic utopian theory.. what stopped socialism wasn’t scarcity.. but people trying to do it.. worked 12 hours a day.. w domestic violence.. minds trapped in slave condition.. hard to jump into commune where free love is practiced..

need for.. (and what we keep missing) .. as the day (all the day) ness and all of us ness

1:39 – why do i use term – postcapitalism – all forms of abundance must deliver forms of justice.. we have to allow selves to imagine democracy rising as we create abundance..  i want to inject dynamic that you can achieve stuff through collab back into .. dominated by statism/hierarchy

1:40 – other problem.. practical problem.. 2 sets people to convince.. solariat and the old working class.. abandoned by social democracy.. i think we have to deploy a mixture.. the networked/small-scale/horizontal can be very helpful.. because it answers.. who’s going to look after me.. it’s going to be you..


on years of dealing with security and terrorism


broken feedback loop ness



“Postcapitalism and the city” by @paulmasonnews…

falling prices and the automation of work have a very disruptive impact on the normal process of adaptation.


If the aim is for humanity to do as little work as possible, you can do it through three mechanisms. One is to automate. The other is to reduce the input costs to labour, so that we can survive on less wages and less work. The third is to push forward rapidly the de-linking of work and wages.

I have a strong hunch that the city is going to be the primary venue of change in this process. Cities have stopped eviscerating their centres; young, networked people want to live right in the centre — sometimes two or three to a room — because they understand the city is the closest the analog world comes to a network. The city is where the networked individual wants to live — at least for some of their life, and for some of their working year or week.


The next proposal is more radical: model reality as a complex system……right now we have no way of conceptualising transition

well.. we have a way.. just not yet a will.. leap via hosting-life-bits.. for (blank)’s sake

model reality: a nother way


it’s (bi) a transitional measure. It can only be paid for by the state taxing the market sector. As the market sector shrinks, that means you run out of taxes. So I never use the words “unconditional” or universal. I would make the basic income conditional on engagement with the demos of the city. For example, if you obliged peopel to take part in collective groups to manage the chronic diseases of poverty: mental illness, hypertension, stress, obesity; you could point to a payback from the basic income in terms of current spending.



You have to promote new ways of measuring activity and progress.

perhaps new way: not measuring..

rather host-life-bits of ‘the human city’


this is the first elite in capitalist history that reacted to a crisis by doubling down on the model that does not work.


I could be completely wrong. But if I am right, it makes sense for all cities to ask themselves: could we become the first city to begin a demonstrable and tangible transition away from neoliberal capitalism, towards a society of high equality, high wellbeing, high collaboration?

what’s nextmodel a nother way..  that 7 bill could then leap to.. anywhere/anyplace – suggested cities et al


If you really don’t like the word post-captialist use something else — like the collaborative city, the city of participatory democracy, the networked city. Or the human city. But do it.


via Michel share on fb – from Postcapitalism and the city Keynote at Barcelona Initiative for Technological Sovereignty (same medium post as above)

“We must stop fantasising about a third industrial revolution, or a third capitalism based on immaterial wealth.

We must promote the transition to a non-capitalist form of economy which unleashes all the suppressed potential of information technology, for productivity, wellbeing and culture.

I don’t have a programme for this transition but a basic methodology: involving three sectors of the economy: the market, the state and the non-market — or collaborative sector — in which things are produced and consumed outside of monetary exchange; where the externalities are collectively owned.”



A slide from my Postcapitalism talk at @MeaningConf – the transition path beyond capitalism (zero carbon and circularity on different slide)

the transition path.. automation; basic income; cheap basic goods; open source; attack rent seeking

perhaps – a nother way (short bp)..  set people free; basic income as temporary placebo; short (deep/simple/open enough) to try it out.. model it.. for 7 bn people to leap to today..


fb share by Michel – must read

The European Commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, told an Austrian newspaper on Sunday that there would be no letup on federalising Europe; no national opt-outs from the stagnation economics administered from Brussels.


If the prime minister, Matteo Renzi, steps down and the markets crash, and Europe imposes a bank rescue plan that raids ordinary people’s savings, then you could get both a domestic banking and a eurozone crisis by Christmas.


can only see rules and balance sheets.


In the novel, city authorities deny the existence of the plague – and, in so doing, create the conditions for its spread. Often read simply as a parable about love and loss, the novel in fact deals explicitly with the self-destructiveness of what Mann called the “European soul”. Mann’s settings in this and other novels – the Lido hotel, the Swiss sanatorium – emphasise the fragility of a transnational culture once crisis breaks out.


even this grassroots culture of globalisation is breakable, if you try hard enough – because it can only exist in a space sealed off from official politics. At the typical European bar, beach or coffee shop, tolerance exists because educated people leave their nationality and religion at the door. The assumption among the young – implicit but strong – is that all politics is bullshit and does not matter.

Now politics and nationality have begun hammering on the door. And initially they have produced mainly paralysis and fear.

When I asked the young people I met in Ferrara, in northern Italy, in September how they would respond to the new xenophobic wave, many spoke about “genuino clandestino” – a back-to-the-land movement that advocates disconnection with the official economy as a survival strategy against austerity.

It’s over, it’s impossible, the right has won,” are responses you will hear everywhere among the young, once you stop speaking to activists and listen to small-town kids wasting away their 20s in their grandmother’s spare room.


We can stop this. But only if we reject the incessant demand for austerity, privatisation, longer hours, lower wages and the theft of a young generation’s future.


jan 20 2017


The other Trump inauguration: 24 hours in DC.

a nother way


Paul Mason (@paulmasonnews) tweeted at 9:18 AM – 7 Apr 2017 :

Director Sasha McMurray and me in conversation about upcoming #DivineChaos play (

she went in and learned their language and collected their folk songs

idio jargon

what that new self can really achieve

a nother way


on neoliberalism (same day i added page):


My essay from @tgrdebate in Der Speigel:…

Crisis of Neoliberalism….Dear Left, and what is coming now?

shoot.. paywall..


sam share apr 2017 from 2015 (that i already have above.. diff take a couple years later)

The end of capitalism has begun

Original Tweet:

It will need the state to create the framework – just as it created the framework for factory labour

hlb that io dance

By creating millions of networked people, financially exploited but with the whole of human intelligence one thumb-swipe away, info-capitalism has created a new agent of change in history: the educated and connected human being.

as long as we’re redefining.. educated.. and not using it to wall   a n y o n e   out

The first thing we have to recognise is: different modes of production are structured around different things. Feudalism was an economic system structured by customs and laws about “obligation”. Capitalism was structured by something purely economic: the market. We can predict, from this, that postcapitalism – whose precondition is abundance – will not simply be a modified form of a complex market society. But we can only begin to grasp at a positive vision of what it will be like.


if such a society is structured around human liberation, not economics, unpredictable things will begin to shape it.


The feudal model of agriculture collided, first, with environmental limits and then with a massive external shock – the Black Death. After that, there was a demographic shock: too few workers for the land, which raised their wages and made the old feudal obligation system impossible to enforce. The labour shortage also forced technological innovation. The new technologies that underpinned the rise of merchant capitalism were the ones that stimulated commerce (printing and accountancy), the creation of tradeable wealth (mining, the compass and fast ships) and productivity (mathematics and the scientific method)

Present throughout the whole process was something that looks incidental to the old system – money and credit – but which was actually destined to become the basis of the new system. In feudalism, many laws and customs were actually shaped around ignoring money; credit was, in high feudalism, seen as sinful. So when money and credit burst through the boundaries to create a market system, it felt like a revolution. Then, what gave the new system its energy was the discovery of a virtually unlimited source of free wealth in the Americas.


The equivalent of the printing press and the scientific method is information technology and its spillover into all other technologies, from genetics to healthcare to agriculture to the movies, where it is quickly reducing costs.

just not yet liberated(ie: walled et al).. so not yet truth/reality


The modern day external shocks are clear: energy depletion, climate change, ageing populations and migration. They are altering the dynamics of capitalism and making it unworkable in the long term. They have not yet had the same impact as the Black Death – but as we saw in New Orleans in 2005, it does not take the bubonic plague to destroy social order and functional infrastructure in a financially complex and impoverished society.

just takes an alternative.. a mech that would work for 7 bn.. today..


If I am right, the logical focus for supporters of postcapitalism is to build alternatives within the system; to use governmental power in a radical and disruptive way; and to direct all actions towards the transition – not the defence of random elements of the old system. We have to learn what’s urgent, and what’s important, and that sometimes they do not coincide.

The power of imagination will become critical.

In an information society, no thought, debate or dream is wasted – whether conceived in a tent camp, prison cell or the table football space of a startup company.


Millions of people are beginning to realise they have been sold a dream at odds with what reality can deliver. Their response is anger – and retreat towards national forms of capitalism that can only tear the world apart.


We need more than just a bunch of utopian dreams and small-scale horizontal projects. *We need a project based on reason, evidence and testable designs, that cuts with the grain of history and is sustainable by the planet. And we need to get on with it.

in contradiction to .. imagination.. no? can’t be based on evidence.. if we want change..

need alt sans evidence..


review of adults in the room by Yanis:

Varoufakis is ” in Washington for a meeting with Larry Summers, the former US treasury secretary and Obama confidant. Summers asks him point blank: do you want to be on the inside or the outside? “Outsiders prioritise their freedom to speak their version of the truth. The price is that they are ignored by the insiders, who make the important decisions,” Summers warns.”