nika dubrovsky

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fell in love with her here:

@davidgraeber: I’ve never been married before. Even though the proper ceremony is later, in London & Berlin, I have never been more moved than that someone who actually knows me would want to be with me forever.
https://twitter.com/davidgraeber/status/1121332583630016512

brown belonging law: the opposite of belonging.. is fitting in.. true belonging doesn’t require you to change who you are.. it requires you to be who you are.. and that’s vulnerable.. –Brené Brown

david graeber and fittingness

then (after googling her) fell in love some more: ie: http://a4kids.org/ et al

adding page shortly after this.. and resonations with this comment: brings me comfort to know that when he left this world he was surrounded by her love – renata

and while digging into this: museum of care (like year 2 of our experimentation)

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My favorite picture of ⁦@davidgraeber⁩ https://t.co/q0jjEEcnpz
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1324127017042890754

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thread addressing the it is me ness needed in museum of care:

Hey friends, can you tell me how do you make yourself finish projects? How are you avoiding rushing or jumping from one case to another? It is a problem for me. That said, I am a rather diligent person, brought up in the traditions of Soviet puritanism. 1/
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1325007269222883328

let go of project ness.. of productivity ness.. ie: the it is me.. #1 and 2 of graeber and wengrow freedom law

[added the it is me page (2013) just after a year with our experimentation w a museum of care .. people were thinking they were free of school curriculum – but it’s so engrained in us.. they kept trying to write one.. as you say ‘make themselves do something’.. we found this seeming freedom to be hugely compromising to fittingness.. and so then also to belonging ness – which we found to be the two basic needs/essence of human being]

after adding thread here.. someone replied to nika: I free flow and allow priorities to show themselves.. then do those..regroup and regroup constantly.. allowing the flow where least resistance appears.. if there is resistance then… why must the project be completed .. go where the energy naturally leans? Less consuming so…

and her response: Yes, but if you work with other people, that most of us are going, then they depend upon you.

this is why we need to org around daily curiosity – as infra

ie: cure ios city

allows/orgs for the ‘free flow.. regroup regroup constantly‘ your friend writes about

we doubt ourselves.. because we’re not hearing the itch-in-the-soul first thing every morning.. and so we’re distracted from that foundation/fittingness and start flailing ..

the key to all of this.. believing that the best thing i can give to the world.. to the dance.. is to legit be myself..

again.. brown belonging law

and why we came to focus on maté basic needs as a means to org 8b legit free people

I can make myself do almost anything. But as soon as I start to force myself, the result (and the process) become pitiful and self-defeating. I get pitiful texts, tortured drawings and so on. David and I talked a lot about it.
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Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1325007387888152576

that’s all of us.. (if we’re honest w/selves).. and why the supposed to’s of school/work and any form of people telling people what to do – (even if it’s yourself).. and any form of measuring/accounting (what is a project.. why must i finish it.. et al) .. is killing us.. is perpetuating not us ness

black science of people/whales law

this is huge for museum of care.. need to be legit spaces of free\dom – spaces of permission (to do/quit whatever) .. where people have nothing to prove

In this seemingly mess, there was a consciously designed internal organization. I would compare @davidgraeber ‘s arrangement to a complex but well-functioning architectural structure in which different people, circumstances and spaces coexist and reinforce each other.
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Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1325009993180061696

exactly.. would you rather appear to be a mess or be a mess (magis esse quam videri)..

we need a global museum of care (aka: a people experiment) where we can get back/to non hierarchical listening.. (aka: trust us to be enough as we are)

huge for museum of care – unconditional ness

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Nika Dubrovsky (@nikadubrovsky) tweeted at 6:27 AM on Sat, Nov 07, 2020:
A really important question is how to take control of the means of production of the symbolic order in which we live.
Everything else will happen by itself.
(https://twitter.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1325067229134807040?s=03)

perhaps is this is our order/org: 2 convers as infra

then this will happen by itself: ‘in undisturbed ecosystems ..the average individual, species, or population, left to its own devices, behaves in ways that serve and stabilize the whole..’ –Dana Meadows

Nika Dubrovsky (@nikadubrovsky) tweeted at 6:38 AM on Sat, Nov 07, 2020:
Interesting thing is that everybody “pay attention to the symbolic order”, even people who does not know that it exist.
(https://twitter.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1325070241802620934?s=03)

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was talking to @brewster_kahle from @internetarchive
They avoid the logic of buying and selling content. Instead, they work in the paradigm of the library: borrow and return. Read it and give it back. That’s the way to do it, naturally. https://t.co/oOfbnRZFyG
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1325807227035377665

for everything.. aka: commoning ness

it’s not that we don’t have enough resources.. it’s that we’ve lost what it means to be resourceful

our findings:

1\ undisturbed ecosystem (common\ing) can happen

2\ if we create a way to ground the chaos of 8b free people

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Icelandic kids drawing in the book “What is Nation?”
https://t.co/ODzlZeTA7m https://t.co/9wBW2V6QaR
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1330262723658182657

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Nika Dubrovsky (@nikadubrovsky) tweeted at 6:58 AM on Sun, Nov 29, 2020:
My son Benjamin turn 18 today. His childhood and my motherhood were difficult, but I hope all hardship will be credited to him by the Heavenly Bookkeeping for future joy and success. This was about the time I met @davidgraeber https://t.co/XysHtkRtFd
(https://twitter.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1333047723054993409?s=03)

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thread:

@nikadubrovsky: My сlever therapist recently noted that unconditional love is not the love of parents for their kids, because parents always want something from kids: to be smarter or kinder or something else, but it is the love of children for their parents. 1/
@nikadubrovsky: Children, even those who have been betrayed and tormented, continue to think about their parents, even if they have the strength to stop toxic relationships, and often, their fates are aligned with what happened to them in childhood. 2/

Nika Dubrovsky (@nikadubrovsky) tweeted at 6:48 AM on Wed, Dec 23, 2020:
How to relate to this is not very clear: doesn’t seem to be any justice here, nothing rational.
(https://twitter.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1341742508943007747?s=03)

haven’t been intoxicated/scrambled yet by ie: supposed to ness of sea world

and yes.. what we need to get back most: unconditional of love .. like david’s assume good ness

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from m of care – jan 1:

nika: i want to create.. not meet and decide how to create..

this is huge nika.. we don’t need the structure/decision before.. we need to listen to the itch-in-8b-souls first.. and use that data to org us.. makes for less dm/consensus ness.. if at all.. but only if we trust us.. unconditionally.. which means.. we trust people to figure out what to do.. what they’ll need.. how to get it .. or how to find people to help them get it.. et al.. we don’t need to set things up for them (ie: dm process/structure) first.. because.. any form of people telling other people what to do.. is really saying.. you don’t trust them to figure it out for themselves.. (the only reason we need – at least an initial – mech to undo our hierarchical listening is because currently we all need that detox) – no one needs to manage/train/prep/teach anyone

again.. need to refocus our ‘starting place’.. so that we don’t have invisible hierarchy going gone.. i.e.: daily curiosity as our data to org us.. rather than deciding how to org..

ie: imagine if we

nika: the aim is to escape this problem.. there is no good structure

yes.. that..

freeman structure law (?) et al.. need to let go of any form of people telling other people what to do

begs 2 convers as infrastructure

nika: we’re trying to invent the system in which all can be used.. so that everyone can make their own decision

ie: begs 2 convers as infra .. tech as it could be (today we have the means to facil that for 8b people.. everyday)

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Nika Dubrovsky (@nikadubrovsky) tweeted at 4:19 PM on Fri, Jan 01, 2021:
@davidgraeber
and I spoke shortly before he died. He said we have no idea what awaits us. It’s entirely possible that we wake up the next morning.
And that’s exactly how I plan to relate to death (and life). https://t.co/npecCTOJqF
(https://twitter.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1345147630607872000?s=03)

yes that..

love

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Nika Dubrovsky (@nikadubrovsky) tweeted at 3:53 AM on Wed, Dec 30, 2020:
Women are given to choose between poverty and the social ostracism of “independence” or the traditional values of patriarchy with all that entails. There are exceptions (my husband @davidgraeber), but they only confirm the rules. Would not it be lovely to change them? 5/
(https://twitter.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1344235176348540928?s=03)

yes.. absolutely and completely.. imagine if we

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@davidgraeber and I are talking about:
What could possibly be wrong with loving your children? https://t.co/n0M4v9U3Wo via @YouTube
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1355303418156507144

i’ve watched a lot of convos/talks of david’s.. this is the first/only i’ve seen where he’s talking to/with nika.. calmest .. most relaxed.. i’ve ever seen him.. love that

3 min – so care is transformed into this force that divides people.. one of the things i’ve been looking at.. how care turns into a pernicious phenom.. how it turns into almost a form of violence.. t

maté parenting law et al – on care for children even turning to structural violence ie: supposed to’s of school/work et al

and there are so many diff ways that it happens.. and one of the ways.. the simplest perhaps.. that you can’t care equally for everyone and obviously you’re going to care for your own children most of all .. most people will.. and i think in a lot of ways having kids is a way of giving up being selfless toward society at large.. or other people.. people accept incredible injustice.. ie: ‘i know that what i’m doing is evil.. but i do it for my children.. i know that the system obscene and destructive .. but i’ll just think of my children’.. and esp that’s what holds us together over time.. really care about kids and their future.. but in order to do that you have to keep the institutional more or less the same 20 yrs from now.. there’s a deep social conservatism that comes out of the future that you envision for your children..t

yeah that.. again maté parenting law

graeber parent/care law

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@EvgeniaKovda wrote:
@davidgraeber seemed very un-American in the best sense and reminded me of Soviet Jewish intellectuals who are warm and antibourgeois!
She’s right. David was like that.
When I settled down with him, it felt like I had come home to a perfect childhood. https://t.co/OXDIZoUst9
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1360549983167143938

yeah.. love that.. would explain ‘calm’ ness mentioned of david above

graeber care/free law

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thread from link to talk of david on care and freedom

So we need to think what are ways that we need to care for each other that will make each other more free?
5/
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1368564980296130570

oikos (the economy our souls crave).. ‘i should say: the house shelters day-dreaming, the house protects the dreamer, the house allows one to dream in peace.’ – gaston bachelard, the poetics of space

let’s org for/around that (as infra)

ie: maté basic needs

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@monk51295 @dosmesdoscinc I think he was saying “people live in town, no one lives in the national state.” But I am thinking: could we or should we all move to the countryside. I am in the center of London now and it is deadly.
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1365697858670891016

we need an infrastructure.. where it doesn’t matter where you live

few days later.. resonating from re re reading michael hardt and antonio negri‘s multitude:

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as the peasantry becomes communicative and active it ceases to exist as a separate political category, causing a decline in the political significance of the division between town/country.. paradoxically, the final victory of the peasant revolution is the end of the peasantry (as a separate political category).. in other words, the ultimate political goal of the peasantry it its own destruction as a class

to nika‘s question

figure of peasant.. discovers itself to be part of the multitude.. one of numerous singular figures of labor/life.. that despite difference share common conditions of existence..

gabor on addiction/trauma/needs – begs we org around those 2 maté basic needs.. as infrastructure.. to set/keep us all free

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nika on david

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thread:

I don’t know if there is a medical term for it, but is it possible that David and I had something like “time dyslexia?” The good thing is that we supported each other as best we could in our common misfortune. 1\

https://t.co/OjoHSZm72z

Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1420363651886759949
Plus, not caring about the time allowed us to forget about “important things” and often just write, read, and do nonsense. Our mornings with David were fantastic. We chatted, drank coffee, fooled around. Afterward, though, we were sure to be late for something. 2/

man sieht nur mit dem herzen gut.. das wesentliche ist für die augen unsictbar .. der kleine prinz

norton productivity law: it takes getting nothing done to make us human again – Quinn Norton

Serious and neat people couldn’t afford that. 3/
My life in Germany, where everything is planned out, where people agree to come to lunch two months in advance at a precise time and are never late, was quite agonizing. 4/

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on steven pinker twitter blocking her:

Apparently, @sapinker banned me.

I must have criticized him. He probably bans everyone who disagrees, so he can live in a world that gets better every day! Poor @sapinker , “The Dawn of Everything” is going to ruin him! Should I feel compassion? https://t.co/sfTOmHSJ4u
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1427601836811472911
I was much more enraged by his idiotic enthusiasm for maintaining the status quo, not only by himself turning a blind eye to the fact that the present is unbelievably cruel, 2/
but also by professionally convincing everyone that the world is getting kinder right before their eyes. That is why we should not change anything. 3/

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love

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love this:

I would like to support the idea instead of paying the children’s college education, parents should be able to buy them robots that will go to work in the future (accountant, lawyer or miner) while children will engage in art and philosophy.

from nika’s fb post:

As we know, the word ′′ Robot ′′ was invented by Czech fiction Karel Chapek in 1920, from the word ′′ slave ′′ and ′′ work “. All fantasists well understood that cars were needed to save a person from the cursed necessity ′′ hard work until death, in sweating faces getting yourself food “.The idea of an ′′ industrial worker ′′ appeared almost simultaneously with the ideas of ′′ artist’s genius ′′ and is its mythological opposite. The things the conveyor worker produces are as anonymous and nameless as he is. As consumers of his products, we don’t know anything about the worker unless we are union activists or charitable organizations.But the value of a work of art stored in the museum and made by an artist-genius depends directly on his biography and personality. We want to know everything about him!Not by chance the most important communist – Alexander Bogdanov, who was excluded from the Bolshevik party before the October Revolution, creates Proletkult – an organization whose task is to rebuild relations between ′′ genius ′′ and ′′ worker “, between ′′ teacher ′′ and ′′ student “, between ′′ individual ′′ and ′′ team “.Drawing practical conclusions from this reasoning, I would like to support the idea instead of paying the children’s college education, parents should be able to buy them robots that will go to work in the future (accountant, lawyer or miner) while children will engage in art and philosophy.

looks like it came from this tweet:

I like the idea of workers, who own robots and sending them to work instead of themselves, as slaves.
I would love to buy a slave-accountant-robot, for my son, so he does not need to work in the future (his robot will work for him) and can be an artist. https://t.co/NmJibdNfQo
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1430946993350791177

link is to rob dolci’s tweet:

Right, one could also buy 7-8 robots for their kids instead of forking out $$$ for their college :) @davidgraeber would have liked this, giving power back to workers and rebalancing control. @nikadubrovsky

nika recapping that:

In fact, @robertdolci’s suggestion is to replace training a child to enter the workforce, which for some strange reason we call “education,” with buying a robot (slave) that will function INSTEAD of the child,

Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1430969836197359618

we can do even better.. because like you said.. most of what we think needs to be work/job.. is irrelevant and/or bs jobs.. meaning.. i’m not even sure we’d need robots.. but we sure don’t need money.. any form of m\a\p.. because.. it has to be all of us.. parents (everyone) needs to be free.. gershenfeld something else law et al..

we just keep missing this.. because we keep trying to org around non legit needs (food, water, shelter).. so we can’t let go of irrelevant s.. because we don’t grok enough ness.. we don’t grok what we really want/need

ie: a nother way

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