voc – una wang – physical infra as precondition

Una Wang – Physical Infrastructure as a precondition for place-making for the commons

valley of the commons – 9.7.26 – una wang – physical infra as precondition

notes/quotes from 90 min video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEA-uT1A_zc]:

5 min – felix: intro: una’s work has expanded since.. ie: how does a self owningn house know how to pay for its use et al.. most recently involved in eth in munich

ethereum

6 min – una: just graduated from phd.. partner in suffering with felix.. 5 yr journey – put in last project as case study for what i want to talk about today.. infra for everyone to be plumbers (?) of the future

una: word infra: below, beneath structure: fitting together

yet.. nothing to date (ever since that day) has gone deep enough to get to the root of problem

findings from on the ground ness deep dive on why we need tech w/o judgment

ie: the dance won’t dance unless/until it’s 1\ all of us 2\ legit free

need 1st/most: 2 conversations (aka: 2 missing pieces) .. as infra

7 min – una: term changed since then.. so where does physical infra come from and meaning something below now to ie: physical digital infra.. economists have categorized as hard & soft.. today talking about hard infra.. steve jobs: ‘people who care about software should make their own hardware’.. that’s why i think we should consider the hard

low ness needs a deep dive to grok/infra

steve jobs.. alan kay

physical begs to be bachelard oikos law via iwan baan style et al.. ie: the thing we’ve not yet tried/seen: the unconditional part of left to own devices ness

[‘in an undisturbed ecosystem ..the individual left to its own devices.. serves the whole’ –dana meadows]

there’s a legit use of tech (nonjudgmental exponential labeling) to facil the seeming chaos of a global detox leap/dance

ie: whatever for a year.. a legit sabbatical ish transition

otherwise we’ll keep perpetuating the same song.. the whac-a-mole-ing ness of sea world.. of not-us ness.. of part\ial ness.. perpetuating survival triage.. for (blank)’s sake..

10 min – una: infra so important.. been preconditions for institutional forming and so important for defence/resilience.. so i think infra super important for defense and sovereignty strategically..

institution ness defense ness any form of re ness.. as cancerous distractions.. why we haven’t yet found the preconditions for legit free people..

11 min – una: infra has been a precondition for human settlement.. but now digital nomads.. so can also move around.. so super important to talk about infra again

12 min – una: and the last one.. this is my heart – infra as precondition for place-making.. daily life is a journey thru infra.. ‘the most boring/important thing in placemaking’;.. lucy gara

again.. need a legit diff infra.. ie: in the city.. as the day ness

13 min – una: kudos to comons hub for place making

14 min – una: infra important to system and individual.. changes in 5 top areas: land, water, energy, transportation, communication

15 min – una: carl sagan: ‘anything else you’re interested in is not going to happen if you can’t breathe the air or drink the water.. don’t sit this one out.. you are by accident or fate alive at an absolutely critical moment in history of our planet’

to me .. this is a cancerous distraction that keeps us perpetuating survival triage.. (warning ness).. just not the deepest problem for legit change

we need a problem deep enough to resonate w/8b today.. via a mechanism simple enough to be accessible/usable to 8b today.. in an ecosystem open enough to set/keep 8b legit free

ie: org around a problem deep enough (aka: org around legit needs) to resonate w/8b today.. via a mechanism simple enough (aka: tech as it could be) to be accessible/usable to 8b today.. and an ecosystem open enough (aka: sans any form of m\a\p) to set/keep 8b legit free

17 min – una: ai has helped barrier for hardware to lower..

berners-lee everyone law

18 min – una: on primavera.. digi ness as bringing all together.. et al.. and starting ostrom’s thesis

primavera de filippi (?) – (i think that’s what she said).. if so.. primavera on blockchain governance.. primavera on network sovereignties.. primavera on commons movement ness..

20 min – una: shows video of early imagination of how future on blockchain can live and access nature.. the nature 2.0 thesis.. and a house that dreams of people/things harmonizing.. that was the thesis 6 yrs ago.. we’re all burned out on this

again to bachelard oikos law oikos..

(the economy our souls crave).. ‘i should say: the house shelters day-dreaming, the house protects the dreamer, the house allows one to dream in peace.’ – gaston bachelard, the poetics of space

22 min – una: now heading to institution trust melting and progress of ai.. et al.. we cannot keep rearranging the social system around an existing tech in order to approximate joint optimisation.. rather than truly redesigning both (tech& human) together..t i’m civil engineer.. but interested in social tech systems.. wanting to optimize both tech and people.. crucial to optimize both..

there’s a legit use of tech (nonjudgmental exponential labeling) to facil/infra the seeming chaos pre/conditions needed for us all to be legit free/us.. a global detox leap/dance

23 min – una: le corbusier: ‘a house is a machine for living in’. then started to put in how blockchain is magical.. ‘tech is the answer, but what was the question’ cedric price.. efficiency is so important we forget to ask the right question.. but also so important to ask the right question.. t

question needs to be: what are pre/conditions for us all to be legit free/us

24 min – una: i wanted to ask what does ownership of a machine look like.. what really is ownership.. puzzled me for a year.. in crypto always says era of web3 is the layer to own.. what is owning and what are we owning.. if look closer.. some of claims start to dissolve

25 min – una: then i thought i could borrow ostrom’s – lot of diff kinds of rights’ ness.. ownership is a type of right for infra.. all in ostrom’s

ostrom 8

una: what i took out of all of this is that ownership is 1\ informational – not only stuff but the boundary you own .. own rights to use it ie: a guy in crypto divided himself into a dao so people could buy him.. these radical cases shine a light on what ownership is 2\ engineerable.. good news for engineers.. blockchain can engineer this

27 min – una: my main thesis is we know ownership is engineerable but how do we engineer it.. what is the possible design space to effectively engineer ownership for a machine agent

rights ness et al.. bauwens property law et al..

oh my.. not seeing what that would be the right question for.. still same song

28 min – una: how do we explain ownership into diff system that is not reductionist.. to the non quantifiable space..

still quantifying if owning ness.. if any form of m\a\p

29 min – una: i’m a long time meditation practitioner and i like the idea of thinking houses being a self while also inside also being yourself..t

bachelard oikos law.. detox closet in the be you house.. and again iwan baan style

30 min – una: on regen system thinking.. machines taking on more ownership because have more rights.. so how to design so that human flourishing is alongside tech progress

mufleh humanity law: we have seen advances in every aspect of our lives except our humanity– Luma Mufleh

the thing we’ve not yet tried/seen: the unconditional part of left to own devices ness

32 min – una: i’m a huge fan of cybernetic theories.. inspired by michael from blockscience.. on what/why blockchain is used for

33 min – q&a time

42 min – una (on what tools do you suggest): on measuring how you’re doing.. ie: water, social (how to make great spaces),.. problem here is there’s not enough caves – you want to go public but need to have a place to hide.. t

wang caves law

to me.. that should be prime.. missing piece #1

ie: maté trump law; brown belonging law; batra hide in public lawet al..

ie: imagine if we listen to the itch-in-8b-souls 1st thing everyday & use that data to connect us (tech as it could be.. ai as augmenting interconnectedness)

48 min – una: i didn’t include in presentation.. but we really need to understand ourselves.. we’re going to have the biggest id crisis for humanity.. we don’t know who.. what is really the need.. now just about convenience/efficiency/economy.. what’s our (legit) .. we need to think radically about who we are.. t

or perhaps letting go of the having to know ness.. ie: graeber can’t know law; graeber unpredictability/surprise law; et al

aka: need global detox.. so tech begs to have a detox embed.. this is why we need tech w/o judgment 1st/most.. so we can org around legit needs

q: matthias: what would be illich’s conviviality – personal enlarges and interdependence..t

ivan illich et al..

the dance.. for that need to try the (rad) thing we’ve not yet tried/seen: the unconditional part of left to own devices ness

[‘in an undisturbed ecosystem ..the individual left to its own devices.. serves the whole’ –dana meadows]

51 min – matthias: diff between ownership and property is quite relevant

if go deeper.. same song

52 min – una: matthias‘s talk is tomorrow – plug for you.. a lot of concepts really click.. but i go back to .. what we really have to ask ourselves.. what is freedom.. what are we looking for.. t.. if right to die.. then can commit suicide.. so what do we own.. what is freedom.. who we are

yeah that..

deepest question: what are the pre/conditions for us all to be legit free/us .. so that the dance can dance

we need a problem deep enough to resonate w/8b today.. via a mechanism simple enough to be accessible/usable to 8b today.. in an ecosystem open enough to set/keep 8b legit free

otherwise we’ll keep perpetuating the same song.. the whac-a-mole-ing ness of sea world.. of not-us ness.. of part\ial ness.. perpetuating survival triage.. for (blank)’s sake..

note: on survival ness: survival is a means to survive things as they are.. so to me.. not a legit alt.. it’s triage.. perpetuating survival triage.. so a temp band aide per se.. that will /can help now.. but only for short term.. because it still doesn’t get to the root of the problem.. so it won’t offer/lead-to legit change/life/freedom.. et al.. so.. to me.. it’s still a cancerous distraction to the dance

54 min – q: could we make the commons a kind of institution as part of the infra which support ways you are talking about

una: yes.. what would be your defn of institutions

55 min – guy (?) – forcing of norms that help people coord

una: in that sense crypto niche has already tried to protocol ize all this.. the hope was that the tech would help the commons.. not a straight forward answer to that.. diff defn’s et al

56 min – nena: also been spending last 2 yrs on what you’re talking about.. i think focus has been on tech.. but what if there is no culture that bind us to the problem.. i think they failed because didn’t anchor in ways that would last.. i think that’s changing in the field slowly.. dao’s are just what we’ve had for years.. trying to scale it up.. but comes from lineage of human coord that existed for many yearts

dao ness et al.. graeber violence/quantification law et al

una on dao ness

58 min – una: i totally agree.. been working w daos.. we’re early.. but i think the field is maturing.. better ideas.. it’s a vast experiment space..

59 min – una: new theories that can incorporate the parts that are hard to talk about.. better.. i think we haven’t found it yet though.. or do you have an answer

nena: yeah i do.. dao mapped to practices already happening in africa.. book – biological institutions

una: what are tops things missing in dao’s

1:00 – nena: what is missing is.. how do we gather together.. ie: need beyond zoom calls to under trees.. how are daos actually gathering together and building a culture of sense making.. are there ways more than just binary yes and no.. t daos have a very mechanical way of thinking where old systems have very relationship ways.. seems hard to maneuver.. dao not very inclusive of what already existed..

how we gather in a space is huge.. need to try spaces of permission where people have nothing to prove to facil curiosity over decision making.. because the finite set of choices of decision making is unmooring us.. keeping us from us..

again.. ie: imagine if we listen to the itch-in-8b-souls 1st thing everyday & use that data to connect us (tech as it could be.. ai as augmenting interconnectedness)

1:02 – una: i think we have matured.. people realize dao not a silver bullet.. let’s see where it goes.. very interested in experiments in ai

1:04 – stefan: one idea i’m missing is beauty.. we need that.. if you just house people in boxes they get aggressive like rats in lab.. t.. quite suspicious how a tech would do that.. tech for autonomy.. whoa..

yeah that.. again iwan baan ness et al but even more huge ness to hari rat park law via bruce alexander and why we need tech w/o judgment.. or will never get to gershenfeld something else law .. to the unconditional part of left to own devices ness

1:05 – una: beauty making.. not fully there yet.. i hope there is a movement of new ethics coming

1:12 – una: interesting experiment in japan – akiya (empty house) collective.. rad experiments if that’s what we want to do

squatting ness et al.. living spaces ness

1:14 – guy (?): *always to replace human w tech.. but as soon as i stopped automating and building tool so people could do what they want to do.. how could all those techs be integrated.. what needs to be done and what everyone wants to do..t have you found that.. to invite & reward contributions .. haven’t found a way to scale that.. t

*this is gershenfeld something else law

**this perpetuates same song.. perpetuating survival triage.. not legit free/dom

findings from on the ground ness deep dive on why we need tech w/o judgment

ie: the dance won’t dance unless/until it’s 1\ all of us 2\ legit free

nothing to date (ever since that day) has gotten to that root of problem

legit freedom will only happen if it’s all of us.. and in order to be all of us.. has to be sans any form of measuring, accounting, people telling other people what to do

1:16 – una: i don’t think we have an answer for that.. it’s a lot of emergence and a lot of relationship.. if i stay here i feel like i should help.. if i stayed in next house i would probably feel less responsible.. reminds me of 2 ie’s: 1\706 – city living room in dorm 2\dao in china – to send younger kids to village to equip w tech and they get paid with crypto currencies.. a lot is very human based.. trust built on – go do exercise w elders.. building responsibility

mufleh humanity law: we have seen advances in every aspect of our lives except our humanity– Luma Mufleh

need art (by day/light) and sleep (by night/dark) as global re\set.. to fittingness (undisturbed ecosystem)

responsibility ness and building trust ness to me are cancerous distractions.. not legit free/trust for the dance to dance

1:19 – una: the bodily experience.. more and more.. about loneliness.. et al.. bringing into digital space.. chat rooms rather than physical.. problem is.. ‘real art is ugly.. and people live in perception’.. i think nowadays.. perception used to be open space.. now corrupted.. need to go back to bodily experience to find magic.. how to come back to that

holmgren indigenous law et al

need 1st/most: means (nonjudgmental expo labeling) to undo hierarchical listening – so we can hear what’s already on each heart as global detox in order to org around legit needs

1:23 – girl: on people taking care of things even in the ugly/messy.. sometimes things are working in this chaos.. some places.. every thing is perfect but you lose human ness.. of course you need the order.. but how to bring the other dusty aspect on that..

iwan baan ness et al

are we sure we need order? to me order ness (carhart-harris entropy law et al) is a cancerous distraction

for the beautiful dance to dance we need tech w/o judgment

1:25 – una: what you said about the rawness of the experience.. so often optimizing toward not what we need.. t.. why people in horrid tibet super happy et al.. how do we find

again.. mufleh humanity law: we have seen advances in every aspect of our lives except our humanity– Luma Mufleh

nothing to date (ever since that day) has gotten to that root of problem

need to try the thing we’ve not yet tried/seen: the unconditional part of left to own devices ness

findings from on the ground ness deep dive on why we need tech w/o judgment

ie: the dance won’t dance unless/until it’s 1\ all of us 2\ legit free

1:26 – una: how do we find freedom radically open to what we’re talking about..t to bring to a better place together.. very deep question i often think about.. very hard.. but i think this radical openness is what we need in this space.. it’s so tough.. but we have to..

the thing we’ve not yet tried/seen: the unconditional part of left to own devices ness

[‘in an undisturbed ecosystem ..the individual left to its own devices.. serves the whole’ –dana meadows]

there’s a legit use of tech (nonjudgmental exponential labeling) to facil the seeming chaos of a global detox leap/dance

ie: whatever for a year.. a legit sabbatical ish transition

otherwise we’ll keep perpetuating the same song.. the whac-a-mole-ing ness of sea world.. of not-us ness.. of part\ial ness.. perpetuating survival triage.. for (blank)’s sake..

1:29 – una: come back to the human need.. i think there is a need.. but we have to find what people keep coming back to .. we have to discover that.. be more precise .. t

wang needs law

huge huge una.. wish we could connect

ie: maté basic needs

as precise as 2 missing pieces

we have the means to org around legit needs.. what each soul already craves.. this is how we scale virally to all

again..

we need a problem deep enough to resonate w/8b today.. via a mechanism simple enough to be accessible/usable to 8b today.. in an ecosystem open enough to set/keep 8b legit free

ie: need a problem deep enough (aka: org around legit needs) to resonate w/8b today.. via a mechanism simple enough (aka: tech as it could be) to be accessible/usable to 8b today.. and an ecosystem open enough (aka: sans any form of m\a\p) to set/keep 8b legit free

two books ness:

1\ dawn of everything (graeber & wengrow) – need to make it different

2\ myth of normal (maté & maté)– the legit different (needs) we need to org around legit needs

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perpetuating myth of tragedy and lord.. for (blank)’s sake

**cancerous distraction

***data we need most/1st: self-talk as data via idiosyncratic jargon of daily itch-in-8b-souls

this is why we need tech w/o judgment .. what the world needs most is the energy of 8b alive people

****cancerous distractions

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be you.

a quiet revolution

voc – una wang – physical infra as precondition

valley of the commons – 9.7.26 – una wang – physical infra as precondition

una: word infra: below, beneath structure: fitting together

question needs to be: what are pre/conditions for us all to be legit free/us

wang caves law

una on dao ness

for the beautiful dance to dance we need tech w/o judgment

wang needs law

ie: maté basic needs

as precise as 2 missing pieces

perpetuating myth of tragedy and lord.. for (blank)’s sake

doing detox (self-talk)..