voc – michel bauwens (cosmolocal) & stefan schutz (intervention in local production & money)

Michel Bauwens – Cosmolocal Production (Valley of the Commons)

valley of the commons – 9.3.26 – michel bauwens (cosmolocal p2) & stefan schutz (intervention in local production & money)

voc – michel bauwens – cosmo localism – part 1

notes/quotes from video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3NAtkS2qmI]:

4 min – nena intro – (after shifts ness.. ‘this is good crowd all signed up’.. et al) two speakers – michel (cosmo local production) and stefan (local interventions/mechs.. also fablab where he lives)

more on stefan bottom of this page

6 min – michel: started this 2 days ago.. why i’m only doing 30 min today.. so a bit of history.. most nobody knows that invention of net in russia.. failed because govt wouldn’t allow

voc – michel bauwens – cosmo localism

via google:

The Soviet “Internet” (OGAS) (All-State Automated System)

ambitious attempt to build a national computer network in Russia decades before the modern internet. The book that vividly dramatizes this era is Red Plenty by Francis Spufford – a mix of history, biography, and fiction. It tells the story of the mid-20th-century Soviet Union when leadership sincerely believed they could use science and “the planned economy” to out-produce Western capitalism. The book features cyberneticists, economists, and regular citizens navigating a world that tried to build a computerized utopia but ended up buried under red tape.

In the 1960s, a brilliant Soviet cyberneticist named Viktor Glushkov proposed OGAS.

Why it Failed: The project was ultimately crushed by bureaucratic infighting. The Ministry of Finance and Soviet leadership feared it would take away their political control, so they refused to fund it.

The Goal: It was designed to link thousands of computers across the Soviet Union to manage factories, raw materials, and consumer demand in real-time.

The Vision: Glushkov wanted a digital economy that would use advanced mathematics and computers to achieve absolute efficiency, eliminating paper, money, and economic waste.

back to voc..

7 min – michel: my theory is soviet union failed at cybernetics not industry.. what they did achieve was shift to cybernetics.. better known is cybersyn in chile.. stafford bier.. elite person.. create war room to do democratic planning.. those were the santiago boys who were replaced by chicago boys..

via google: The Chicago Boys were a group of Chilean economists trained in free-market capitalism at the University of Chicago under influential professors like Milton Friedman and Arnold Harberger.. Training: In the 1950s and 1960s, a partnership between the U.S. State Department and the Pontifical Catholic University of Chile sent top Chilean students to study economics in Chicago. The Chilean Dictatorship: After the 1973 military coup led by General Augusto Pinochet, these economists became the main architects of Chile’s economic policy.

11 min – michel: so china when soviet collapsed.. looked a nep (new econ policy) and used it.. contained market.. only 3% of people can be market owners.. land is collective you lease it can’t sell it.. imprtant to see china not same as west.. finance cannot be command in china it is the servant of china.. can’t decide where capital goes

12 min – michel: 3 systems today: 1\ in china – combo of 5 yr planning cycle, markets, and cybernetics (how they manage public opinion.. ie: after covid 200 people w whiteboards changed policy – don’t want problems to get political).. very competitive system.. exporting to rest of world..

14 min – michel: 2\ western method – tech bros w platforms.. even if capitalist today you depend on these platforms.. (varoufakis).. even china not solving problem of energy over use.. more extraction than generation

yanis varoufakis

15 min – michel: 3\ what we talk about today.. the nitty gritty – look at history of coordination (very important to look at world as coord).. kin/tribe/gift/dunbar/accounting/state/market.. this is what we’ve done for 5000 yrs.. market/state not able to solve thermodynmaic problem..

17 min – michel: not working.. means we now have the tools to break thru again.. this is the 3rd into barrier – this is not abolishing markets and states.. stigmergy, digital commons, and bioregional coord.. the 3 new tools in my view where we go w commons based cybernetics

1\ state cybernetics 2\ private based cybernetics and i’m arguing for 3\ commons based cybernetics

18 min – michel: stigmergy is the capacity to coord thru mutual signaling.. how do i know what to do on wikipedia and linux.. because they are open holontical systems that allow us to see everything and say .. i’m going to do it here.. my skill

hello stigmergy ness.. marsh stigmergy law et al..

to me.. need to go beyond signaling ness if want conditions for legit free people.. if we want conditions for the dance

how we gather in a space is huge.. need to try spaces of permission where people have nothing to prove to facil curiosity/itch over decision making.. this finite set of choices (of signaling choices ness et al) of decision making is unmooring us..

keeping us perpetuating maté trump law et al.. the same song.. the whac-a-mole-ing ness of sea world.. of not-us ness.. of part\ial ness.. perpetuating survival triage..

19 min – michel: under capitalism have distribution of labor (carpenter, plumber, et al).. in free software, peer production, and all these new methods it’s the *distribution of tasks.. it’s – i can do this.. it’s permissionless.. command changes from a command hierarchy to a control hierarchy.. the maintainers/editors.. they don’t tell you want to do.. but they can say no.. they protect the ecosystem.. in a good/bad way.. i think like wikipedia has been **hijacked.. but even if it’s badly done.. it’s not a command hierarchy.. you don’t tell people what to write in wikipedia you do it yourself.. a global billboard and say – i can do this – so ***this is stigmergy – the bees and the ants thru signaling.. they know what to do

to me.. cancerous distraction to the dance.. still same song.. still a form of people telling other people what to do

especially when we now have the means to go deeper.. via the means for a global detox leap..

for (blank)’s sake..

**highjack ness (aka: khan filling the gaps law et al; myth of tragedy and lord et al) will always happen as long as there is any form of m\a\p

this isn’t a simple matter.. it’s the thing.. we can’t just have ie: a little control.. it’s all or nothing .. for the dance to dance..

we can’t seem to let go of control ness (to whatever degree).. and so we keep perpetuating same song.. and this is why we need tech w/o judgment 1st/most.. to detox us all in sync.. to softwave us back/to us

***again.. we need something (and now have means to) go beyond hello stigmergy ness.. because ‘signaling’ is a form of people telling other people what to do.. a form of maté trump law.. not a version of the dance our hearts crave (ie: graeber unpredictability/surprise law et al; graeber can’t know law et al)

20 min – michel: digital commons is where we start common knowledge.. that keep the records of our coord.. .so now have this 3rd way

makes no diff how we coord/org ‘knowledge’.. since since that day we have just been perpetuating non legit ‘data’.. what we need is self-talk as data via tech as softwave ness to reset us back/to us

21 min – michel: bio region is new node of coord.. tells us when planet will die.. no externalities here.. they have to be accounted for.. then move up to stigmergy and commons.. this is what i call cosmo local production.. colocal.. it’s really the inversion of the world order..

michel on cosmo localism et al.. voc – michel bauwens – cosmo localism

24 min – michel the real measure is going to be bio capacity.. am i improving.. extraction to regen

need a means sans any form of m\a\p

24 min – michel: so the basic argument here is.. we have everything.. all the tech we need to do this is available.. we don’t have to wait for tech wizards to come up with next solution.. we need barefoot drs.. barefoot techs.. sent to regen villages.. this is what i’m calling for the archi of regen villages.. we don’t wait anymore.. we do it with what we have..we just do it.. is it going to be difficult? yes

huge michel.. cool that you’re doing it now (warning ness et al) .. but as you say 1\ takes a lot of work and so will 2\ perpetuate same song

and this is why we need tech w/o judgment.. (which we have means for now.. we could do it today as well)..

we need to reach/facil all the bare/covered feet..

27 min – michel: 1 ie.. las indias.. disappeared.. someone told me not to look them up.. but i did.. and they are doing high tech material redistribution.. and that’s what we need to be doing now..

las indias

29 min – p2p to p4p – we have the tooling ledger, contribution/impact based accounting et al.. we know how to do this

to me.. problem is that it is the same song.. warning ness.. but dang..

voc – jeff emmet – from p2p to p4p.. michel on p4p ness

31 min – michel: on all the things that won’t work.. we need a politics of paradise.. whether you believe in heaven, socialism, anarchism.. you need a mobilizing politics of paradise..t

to me.. that means we need to org around legit needs (life over survival ness) .. the 2 missing pieces every heart already craves

findings from on the ground ness deep dive on why we need tech w/o judgment

32 min – michel: this is why i changed the p2p wiki paradigm to what i call reconstruction.. not a single society that has survived in human history.. so interesting in reconstruction.. how did they come back.. and seed forms.. what are we doing already to come back.. leaving the system.. if 2% are not failing.. that’s where we need to learn from.. we have rewriting software that has been redone 100s of time.. why don’t we learn from people who are doing the same.. such a huge waste.. if we’re not learning we’re not playing..

to me this is huge.. and why we’re not legit ‘learning’.. aka seeing like de saint-exupéry essential law et al.. beause nothing to date has worked.. we need something legit new..

so what i mean is.. your spot on.. quit reinventing.. but as i said earlier.. root of problem isn’t a wheel.. we need something legit diff

ie: the thing we’ve not yet tried/seen: the unconditional part of left to own devices ness

[‘in an undisturbed ecosystem ..the individual left to its own devices.. serves the whole’ –dana meadows]

there’s a legit use of tech (nonjudgmental exponential labeling) to facil the seeming chaos of a global detox leap/dance

ie: whatever for a year.. a legit sabbatical ish transition

otherwise we’ll keep perpetuating the same song.. the whac-a-mole-ing ness of sea world.. of not-us ness.. of part\ial ness.. perpetuating survival triage.. for (blank)’s sake..

33 min – michel: why aren’t we learning from others doing the same.. i’ll be in the bar at 530 – i leave tomorrow so tonight is last chance.. and to my wife saying ‘why do they invite you you can’t do anything’.. here is the man who can do everything.. stefan .. you are the perfect balance for me..

bauwens monomaniac law – my huge from voc

36 min – stefan: on chiemgau (bavaria) in se germany.. pop 500 000.. one of our features.. many die after 4-5 yrs.. started in waldorf school with playful game to learn about money.. klimaclub busines and orgs workship

38 min – at peek had 7-8 euro a year.. then went to 5.. then christian thought needed to connect money to eco limits of planet.. and he thought of idea.. climate bonus currency.. wrote petition paper.. i couldn’t understand it.. we got some funding..

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