voc – lorenzo patuzzo – monasteries of 21st cent
Lorenzo Patuzzo – Monasteries of the 21st Century (Valley of the Commons)
valley of the commons – 9-2-26 – lorenzo patuzzo – monasteries of 21st cent
[more on lorenzo and akasha et al bottom of page]
notes/quotes from 95 min video:
6 min – nena intro: today have lorenzo from hubs network.. the most amazing sweetheart speak to us about his experiences of building monasteries in teh 21st cent.. lorenzo has been biggest cheerleader of this place.. given us so much love.. keeps place afloat.. emotionally, contributions, work.. he’s a good ie of what this place needs.. announcements: clean party today because place is disgusting again.. we will eat only after cleaning is done.. still need people for shift work.. let’s all contribute
see.. there’s something so wrong there.. not the dance
8 min – lorenzo: fits very well w rules of monastery
oi
lorenzo: i just sent a list of topics.. i don’t have a presentation.. today going to talk about what diff hubs have in common.. not about monks.. but about us.. bigger picture of what humanity has been thru in last few thousand yrs.. where we are at the moment – last 4 b yrs we know there is a planet .. we come from apes.. 10 000 yrs ago got to agri.. 10 million yrs ago change from apes to standing up apes.. migration happened to africa and all over world.. ice age.. drought.. just in last 12000 yrs we past from surviving to thriving.. making michel can help with this.. i’m not knowledgable about all this
rather.. still surviving ness
note: on survival ness: survival is a means to survive things as they are.. so to me.. not a legit alt.. it’s triage.. perpetuating survival triage.. so a temp band aide per se.. that will /can help now.. but only for short term.. because it still doesn’t get to the root of the problem.. so it won’t offer/lead-to legit change/life/freedom.. et al.. so.. to me.. it’s still a cancerous distraction to the dance
12 min – lorenzo: say 10 m years is 10 km.. last 12 meters start from barely surviving to thriving.. can settle down and think about other stuff not just survival.. ie: rituals, org, civ, build monuments.. stuff not strictly needed for survival.. that was a key moment for me.. esp the impact this had in timeline.. suddenly no longer just tools to ie: fight/fish.. lots including org of over 150 people.. when get over that we can’t coord w trust..
perhaps until now.. now we have the means to get back/to legit trust.. which has nothing to do with dunbar\ish ness or numbers ness (measuring things ness) but rather with unconditional ness and the thing we’ve not yet tried/seen: the unconditional part of left to own devices ness [‘in an undisturbed ecosystem ..the individual left to its own devices.. serves the whole’ –dana meadows]
lorenzo: i don’t know what you feel what you think
to me this is a cancerous distraction to legit trust.. ie: graeber can’t know law; graeber unpredictability/surprise law; et al
paul know\love law – pearson unconditional law – brown belonging law – maté trump law.. otherwise won’t get to root of problem and will keep perpetuating khan filling the gaps law et al
lorenzo: so need to start delegating group that takes care of every situation in society: defense, water, et al.. that leads to struggle in our collab.. which arrives from access to info.. we don’t know the other side.. so need to trust/depend on institution/decisions outside of my presence and start delegating a lot of things.. this created clusters of info w lot of power.. where a lot of people don’t know what decisions are
how we gather in a space is huge.. need to try spaces of permission where people have nothing to prove to facil curiosity/itch over decision making.. because the finite set of choices of decision making is unmooring us.. keeping us from us..
otherwise not trust.. just judgement
lorenzo: so started from small groups to empires.. all made because of info access..
need self-talk as data to facil the dance that dances sans info ness.. because no legit info ness to date.. and thinking so has just kept perpetuating the same song.. the whac-a-mole-ing ness of sea world.. of not-us ness.. of part\ial ness.. perpetuating survival triage.. for (blank)’s sake..
intellectness as cancerous distraction we can’t seem to let go of..
15 min – zach: on dunbar number.. it’s not about trust over 150.. but about social brain that enables us to trust over 150.. point is about the embodied cognitive apparatus of cultural systems that do allow us to expand/trust more people..
rather.. the legit/free heart that groks unconditional – because again.. if it’s about more/expand ness.. about knowledge and understanding.. then not legit trust.. just more judge\ment .. we have to let go of thinking we have to know/understand .. again.. graeber can’t know law.. et al
this is huge.. and why we need tech/tool for the thing we can’t seem to do/be.. w/o judgement aka: why we need tech w/o judgment
zachary marlow maybe was/is?
17 min – zach: if you have a common purpose and someone that has a signaling system.. which is what a currency is essentially.. before monetary trade based currencies.. you have somebody that has this token.. this wompom belt, braid, tattoo.. you see somebody with that symbol and you say ah.. i can trust you because you are part of the tribe
oi..
legit freedom will only happen if it’s all of us.. and in order to be all of us.. has to be sans any form of measuring, accounting, people telling other people what to do .. any form of label ness .. from the get go
again.. pearson unconditional law – ‘what is it about loving each other unconditionally that scares us so much’
answer: messy hubs that takes a lot of work to keep clean et al.. aka: myth of tragedy and lord
findings from on the ground ness deep dive on why we need tech w/o judgment
ie: the dance won’t dance unless/until it’s 1\ all of us 2\ legit free
nothing to date (ever since that day) has gotten to that root of problem.. to the heart of the problem
18 min – lorenzo: it’s a shared belief.. thank you
lorenzo: so went thru big change in human history all the way to big central power.. with that such a diff between humans.. before were pretty much same level.. diff not so much
to me.. not since that day (ape or no ape).. and why we need need means (nonjudgmental expo labeling) to undo hierarchical listening – so we can hear what’s already on each heart as global detox in order to org around legit needs
lorenzo: so got a long way in this situation.. lot of things came for communication ie: language understand in moment.. writing understand over time.. but don’t have distribution of decision/power..
language as control/enclosure.. lit & num as colonialism.. breaking the alphabet et al..
20 min – lorenzo: then special moment in history where we could make it faster/easier and more accessible thru printing press.. causes massive change in perspective of society.. french revolution 200 yrs ago.. just 2 min ago in time scale.. people realize king is not god.. et al.. 10 yr war in france.. first western fight of power at that scale..
makes no diff if just making non legit data faster.. just ‘improves’ whalespeak et al
21 min – lorenzo: took us from emperors to republic.. where we feel more on same level .. can make decisions.. big change
to me – same song – level ness, decision making ness.. all cancerous distractions to the dance [finite set of choices of decision making is unmooring us.. keeping us from us.. et al]
23 min – l: last century has been quite special.. got to distributed into/decision-making.. also always channeled to systems of power.. but still everybody can say something and have access to this info and take some kind of decision.. and faster thru radio/tv
1\ not everyone 2\ even if it was.. need a means to undo whalespeak ness and decision making ness.. or just perpetuating not-us ness .. faster..
24 min – l: w that get centralization of distribution.. created inconsistency on what info has value et al.. drives to possibly manip of cultures at scale
again.. intellectness/info-ness/et-al as cancerous distraction..
26 min – l: this is extremely delicate (?) in our society.. because we think we are free.. but free is relative to the access of info we have.. we cannot talk about stuff we don’t know
rather.. that we think we need that/any info rather than what is already on each heart.. no prep.. no train.. just the unconditional part of left to own devices ness
again.. need 1st/most: means (nonjudgmental expo labeling) to undo hierarchical listening – so we can hear what’s already on each heart as global detox in order to org around legit needs
27 min – l: we are 8 hrs/day working on something we don’t want to and rest of day struggling to stay alive.. or just very distracted.. we have huge potential.. cave yesterday.. and now moon.. huge potential for doing anything.. just complaining about how we are managed.. we are not connecting ourselves.. the biggest minds in all the earth.. they are not connected/coordinated.. there is not such a system
actually our question in beginning of on the ground ness.. coupled with why so many suicides.. ie: why are we not doing something diff with our days/time et al
28 min – l: what are we missing: can we actually gather .. and understand what is happening here.. we are lacking these structures.. we don’t have a space for society to think about society.. to understand what’s going on.. which tool do we have in order to repair this.. there’s not such a place except for maybe uni research.. and some company research lab..
to me.. from deep dive.. we don’t need spaces/language/tools to figure anything out.. we need spaces of permission where people have nothing to prove to facil the seeming chaos of a global detox leap.. where tech w/o judgment (with it’s detox embed aka: nonjudgmental expo labeling) listens to the itch-in-8b-souls (everyone/where) 1st thing everyday & use that data to connect us
29 min – l: in the last few decades we found the internet a good home for this thing.. still it’s very limited/ghettoed.. a place for geeks to talk about academics/theories.. we’re not really connecting theory to practical side
30 min – l: 2000 yrs ago.. monastery ness.. to find something more meaning ful.. stay in isolation to think about that.. so disciplined in surviving.. that they could have time to study/learn/write.. so could access migrants/pilgrims.. so a lot of info in many diff fields/places.. this knowledge could have a use there as all.. ie: get knowledge about agri and use it (in the space) et al
33 min – l: so became hubs for knowledge.. like libraries of 20th cent.. global knowledge applied locally.. what does this represent for present..
34 min – l: show slides of a project very near/dear to me.. i’ve been working on it 9 yrs.. a living organism..
michel: bhuddist monasteries oldest model of all
35 min – l: slide 1/ what will you design today
ours was what are you curious/noticing/dreaming/connecting .. which years later formed into itch-in-the-soul ness
36 min – michel: i call it the pulsation of the commons.. where monasteries spread like swarms of bees .. grow than split.. become a healing for society
pulsation of the commons et al
38 min – l: internet connection very poor.. wanted to show slides
it’s never been about all of us.. in all the ways..
but today we have the means.. if we let go of all the cancerous distractions
39 min – l: 2017 akasha hub barcelona
more info on that on bottom of page
12 yrs ago.. started collabing.. place where 13 people working/living to improve society.. mostly male/geek.. but still very meaningful place to be.. really keen to make this a better world.. huge things came out of there.. inspired me to akasha in 2017
40 min – l: from warehouse then two.. in barcelona.. had to do a lot of stuff to refurbish .. lot of diff skilled people connected on vision of some r&d for society.. share space/cost to build something for outside..
42 min – l: on diversity.. if we want to propose alt.. need all complexities.. which is extremely difficult.. but we’re trying
not so difficult.. if gupta roadblock law et al
ie: tech as nonjudgmental expo labeling – and why we need tech w/o judgment
43 min – today .. 70residents, 3000members, 600events, 20projects
44 min – i built my house inside warehouse and started inviting meetup groups 4-5 a week – on how it grew people.. started proposing project for neighbors.. ie: community gardens.. got people from govt involved.. they didn’t expect something this organized
city sketchup ness et al.. to .. in the city.. as the day.. ness
45 min – to access co working you needed to be very aligned with us.. have co working.. gathering center.. have kids come to learn.. fab lab et al
fablab.. need most: gershenfeld something else law
and again.. resonations with city sketchup ness et al.. to .. in the city.. as the day.. ness and just the lab ness of story board [2008 to present]
49 min – still looking for more established place for living.. to have people coming going.. for 1 wk to 3 months.. guarantee semi permeable membrane.. new idea so not closed mentality.. open.. it breathes.. cross pollination
50 min – bio material and food creation
nika dubrovsky ness.. st vincent ness et al
52 min – have a room full of people interested in the project.. with means to get to solution.. on the ground and global mentorship et al.. basically a playground for adults with values
did that.. found out we have means for deeper.. ie: no one has to be interested in a project.. just whatever they want that morning.. curiosity app scenario ness et al.. to nonjudgmental expo labeling
as infra ness et al .. specifically from app/chip update ideas page:
update: have till say 10:30 to submit (itch-in-the-soul) to app/chip.. which connects you with same ish itch.. 1\ non-connect 2\ no-show.. and receive alt (s) suggested match ups.. chip tweaking thru till 10 30 ish.. (reminder.. this suggested match up is optional..so not huge.. but don’t want no-shows/non-connects to present unnecessary lag time of even a day. however.. lag time unwelcomely welcoming.. ie: quiet in room ness in beginning.. still getting a fresh going every day)
ie: year 2 – the be you house detox closet et al.. web in house video to see that on the ground ness
54 min – you can do whatever you feel like because infra is common.. important is the open ness.. like kitchen w/o walls/doors.. open invites random connections/activities et al
and again.. deeper via gershenfeld something else law to the thing we’ve not yet tried/seen: the unconditional part of left to own devices ness
and.. why we need tech w/o judgment for that dance to dance
56 min – very difficult to get people to commitment.. esp if lots of events/meetings.. so end up with 2-3 to 10 people.. trying to get more and more people really committed w topic
this is why itch-in-the-soul.. self-talk is so key to what data you put in the tech.. and why nonjudgmental expo labeling is so key.. it doesn’t get tired of mind changing ness et al so it allows you to be the it is me ness in order for everything to not take a lot of work ness et al
all the too much becomes irrelevant
57 min – michel: questions like ownership.. is it a coop.. what was legal form.. do people get paid .. or all voluntary.. how do you manage to exist in time
l: since beginning this was a struggle to figure out the business model.. we have potential to have income but no people/energy to put on that.. so just volunteers at moment.. we could generate more money.. but ok w volunteer ness for now.. we have some income from renting of the spaces .. with that money we sometimes pay cleaning person to come.. just volunteering is not enough.. people can’t afford to not have a salary and w own life.. but they are keen to put hours into it for sake of it.. we have to look for another place.. because we don’t own this are renting out.. who knows maybe spain?
59 min – we wanted to search a way to make ourselves independent and figure out a business model if can guarantee a space not dependent on govt.. it’s been quite a learning process.. now setting some funds for projects inside.. (hackathon, urban garden).. ourselves.. sometimes we think about it.. but ot getting any funds from outside.. still a corporation not a coop
1:01 – no reward for upgrade we did to warehouse.. et al.. but we wanted to do that rather than things staying as they were.. we can’t do much if asked to move out.. we don’t want to waste more time.. been lucky enough to stay there 9-10 yrs.. next step will be probably to have a property.. can cost around 3 m here.. 100 people can’t deal with that.. maybe a neighborhood.. still difficult.. so looking for other solutions.. maybe other experts have solve it in a diff way.. or maybe some doners..
1:03 – zach: seems like model itself .. 70 people into big space is most powerful aspect.. so many craving community .. so if could step outside and create a play book and invite people in.. even just for a day.. great gift for others to show what you’ve done
1:04 – l: showing web page on akasha dot barcelona.. projects.. blueprint zach.. is idea since thinking about since the beginning.. documenting to share et al.. hubs network is project was idea with roberto 10 yrs ago.. last year moving to get together this info and connect w other places.. similar.. shared knowledge/tips.. et al.. also generating corporation to do things together.. and this cross pollination projects.. platform for that app dot hubs dot org.. still being developed – residencies by hubs network et al.. calling for help et al.. people willing to help.. et al.. each pilgrim carries a passport.. recording all the action happened.. what experience people have.. get points for helping et al.. rating of work.. monitor what’s happening between hubs
1:09 – one of the projects to understand complexity of these things and how they can gen value.. artist (geo llum) on bacteria generating energy applying it to the garden.. so collab with lots of diff things/people..
nika dubrovsky ness
1:17 – roberto: on moon cycles for pop up places.. a living lab.. monastery ness.. like 5 star resort where clients are also the staff.. figure out how it is to be together.. tech we need/don’t-need
how we gather in a space is huge.. need to try spaces of permission where people have nothing to prove to facil curiosity over decision making.. because the finite set of choices of decision making is unmooring us.. keeping us from us..
1:19 – roberto: on current projects there.. every person contributing in all 3 (personal, local, global) levels.. my personal attitude on development of techs for across the hubs which is all 3 at same time.. 1\ kinder garden – paying professional waldorf educator.. do resource exchanges at drop off and pick up of kids
1:23 – l: commons hubbing brussels
(guy in front row?): urban environ .. regen village.. brought people from crypto space interested in regen.. trains help with transport.. love what you said – playground for grown ups with values – embracing multiple currencies – how do we value accounting..
1:26 – l: so close.. there is another commons hub vienna.. very strong collaborator and ie of network and what this could be..
1: 27 – l: what is needed for these spaces: we have a lack of coordination.. lack of understanding world in objective way.. not sure of everything we read.. have to search a lot to understand.. need to be coherent/coord to get somewhere together.. when we know that we can get to collective actions..
actually.. all you need (if it legit gets to root of detoxing us) is tech w/o judgment.. everything else will take care of itself as long as we get back/to the dance
1:29 – more needs: value alignment, clear rules & discipline, clarity of knowledge/resources,
won’t get legit lasting dance if still thinking any form of m\a\p ie: rules, align, discipline, clarity .. et al
1:30 – overall coord..
legit coord begs all ness
legit all begs tech w/o judgment to hear/facil.. all the voices/itches et al
that’s why we need tech w/o judgment to hear/facil beyond discipline et al
ie: nonjudgment exponential labeling
1:32 – as humanity we have lots of potential.. just lack of coordination.. so a matter of getting together and being discipline..t
cancerous distraction if coord via discipline et al..
the thing we’ve not yet tried/seen: the unconditional part of left to own devices ness
[‘in an undisturbed ecosystem ..the individual left to its own devices.. serves the whole’ –dana meadows]
there’s a legit use of tech (nonjudgmental exponential labeling) to facil the seeming chaos of a global detox leap/dance
ie: whatever for a year.. a legit sabbatical ish transition
otherwise we’ll keep perpetuating the same song.. the whac-a-mole-ing ness of sea world.. of not-us ness.. of part\ial ness.. perpetuating survival triage.. for (blank)’s sake..
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more on lorenzo et al
via twitter @lorenzopatuzzo: Innovation obsessed, Socially involved, Human Focused Creative Mind. Eutopist. Founder @AKASHAworldBCN and @hubs_network_ . Serial dreamer @AKASHAworld Barcelona – Europe akasha.barcelona
from akasha.barcelona:
lorenzo – creative transdisciplinary and social entrepreneur
AKASHA HUB BARCELONA was born after a collaboration (and consequent alignment of Values and Vision) between AKASHA Foundation and Lorenzo Patuzzo.
Hence the name A.K.A.S.H.A. which stands for Advanced Knowledge Architecture for Social Human Action.
to me.. need non hierarchical listening for the dance
mufleh humanity law et al
findings from on the ground ness deep dive on why we need tech w/o judgment
ie: the dance won’t dance unless/until it’s 1\ all of us 2\ legit free
nothing to date (ever since that day) has gotten to that root of problem
legit freedom will only happen if it’s all of us.. and in order to be all of us.. has to be sans any form of measuring, accounting, people telling other people what to do (ie: knowledge ness et al)
The word AKASHA( [aːkaːʃə], आकाश) also comes from Sanskrit and means “Ether” in the elementary and metaphysical sense.
Originally it was used to indicate a network of metaphysical information that connected humanity with itself and with infinite knowledge.
AKASHA Hub works to stimulate curiosity towards a social self-awareness, and generate willingness to start projects with the ability to create a coherent, sustainable, respectful and healthy environment.
how we gather in a space is huge.. need to try spaces of permission where people have nothing to prove to facil curiosity (itch) over decision making.. because the finite set of choices of decision making is unmooring us.. keeping us from us..
ie: imagine if we listen to the itch-in-8b-souls 1st thing everyday & use that data to connect us (tech as it could be.. ai as augmenting interconnectedness)
the thing we’ve not yet tried/seen: the unconditional part of left to own devices ness
[‘in an undisturbed ecosystem ..the individual left to its own devices.. serves the whole’ –dana meadows]
We collaboratively organize face-to-face and online activities to share knowledge and points of view on all possible areas and in different depths, in order to have an overview and as complete as possible of the current state of humanity and its environment.
to me.. need global detox first.. otherwise just whalespeak aka: not legit curiosity/itch-in-the-soul
We investigate locally and globally how we do what we do (as a society), *what tools were, are and will be at our disposal. We also investigate issues and trends at the local level together with the actors involved to **prioritize the issues in a coherent and necessary way.
there’s a legit use of tech (nonjudgmental exponential labeling) to facil the seeming chaos of a global detox leap/dance
**if want to be legit free.. if want to see legit us.. need to detoxify us from ie: hari present in society law.. from myth of normal (two books et al).. so need to let go of issue ness and try whatever ness for a year.. a legit sabbatical ish transition
otherwise we’ll keep perpetuating the same song.. the whac-a-mole-ing ness of sea world.. of not-us ness.. of part\ial ness.. perpetuating survival triage.. for (blank)’s sake..
We accompany the *conversations and **stimulate interactions between different participants, elaborations of the problems and a self-coordination of working groups to want to solve it. We share and provide tools for collaboration, self-management and project start-up in order to promote the creation of actions that ***bring us closer to the society we yearn for.
*convo we need most/1st: self-talk as data for the 2 conversations to be about non hierarchical listening and so.. why we need tech w/o judgment to facil that global detox leap
**if still stimulating ness et al.. not legit us/free/yearning
***yes that.. and/but for that..
we need a problem deep enough to resonate w/8b today.. via a mechanism simple enough to be accessible/usable to 8b today.. in an ecosystem open enough to set/keep 8b legit free
ie: org around a problem deep enough (aka: org around legit needs) to resonate w/8b today.. via a mechanism simple enough (aka: tech as it could be) to be accessible/usable to 8b today.. and an ecosystem open enough (aka: sans any form of m\a\p) to set/keep 8b legit free
We connect with local and interlocal people and entities in order to create a knowledge infrastructure that can be useful for the development of all activities.
We are a community that believes in continuous improvement, transparency, collaboration, and our independence as a symbol of resilience, intellectual freedom and action. That is why we prefer to generate our own economic income, in order to reinvest them in the project, in its infrastructure and in its community.
econ we need most: bachelard oikos law – sans any form of m\a\p
perhaps let’s try/code money (any form of measuring/accounting/people telling other people what to do) as the planned obsolescence.. where legit needs are met w/o money.. till people forget about measuring..ie: sabbatical ish transition
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lorenzo on core team, roberto a contributor
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to me.. if want legit free.. solution ness we need most needs to be about the root of problem
These real-world spaces foster open exchange and a pluralistic mindset, encouraging social innovation through collaboration. Hubs focus on building technologies, systems, and frameworks rooted in open-source principles, promoting sovereignty, privacy, and freedom as shared values
We are not identifying ourselves with any ideology or politics, in fact we don’t see ideas as identifiers, rather as expressions of humanity’s collective wisdom out of the Ether. Ideas that shape, change and freely expressed, discussed and created upon. We support Hubs that create a IRL space for ideas and humans to openly, freely explore different perspectives and apply gathered knowledge to new open solutions.
We believe everyone should be able to create and build the future they envision. We know freedom of mind, shared tools and knowledge are enabling this. We connect spaces that facilitate this, to recognize, combine and help create the value they represent.
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