first intro’d to Jordan when Jordan Greenhall was trying to connect with him..
re intro’d/intrigued via Greenhall‘s fb post here
Seems it is time to prune the old friends tree. I’ve increasingly noticed that Jordan Peterson is a pretty darn good filter. I’m not a strong on Jordan Peterson as David Fuller appears to be, judging from his new Medium post (https://medium.com/…/the-man-for-the-times-of-chaos-jordan-…), but I’m easily a 4 out of 5 on Mr. Peterson.
Some folks really, really dislike him. If you are a 1 or a 2 on JP (roughly ranging from “evil misogynist homophobe” to “narcissistic buffoon”) and you are my friend, we should part ways. Ideally amicably.
notes from post
“The truth is something that burns. It burns off dead wood. And people don’t like having the dead wood burnt off often because they’re *95 percent dead wood. Believe me I’m not being snide about that. It’s no joke. When you start to realize how much of what you’ve constructed of yourself is based on deception and lies, that is a horrifying realization. It can easily be 95 percent of you and the things you say and the things you act out.” – JP
As a Jungian psychologist he explicitly links this journey to the concept of the encounter with our personal ‘shadow’ — the part of ourselves we repress or deny.
“If you’re not using your own words you’re the puppet of an ideology or another thinker or your own impulsive desires. You can tell when you’re speaking like that because it makes you feel weak — it makes you feel weak and ashamed and you can localize that feeling physiologically if you listen to yourself talk. You can tell when when you’re speaking properly you will experience a feeling of integration and strength and when you’re speaking in a deceitful or manipulative manner you’ll feel that you’re starting to come apart at the seams.* What you need to do is practice only saying things that make you feel stronger. You’ll notice that almost everything you say is a lie. It’s either a lie or someone else’s words. It’s very hard to find your own words — and you don’t actually exist until you have your own words.” -JP
“…It’s the idea of the Logos — which means something like coherent interpersonal communication of the truth — and from an archetypal perspective it’s the action of the logos that extracts order from chaos.
rev of everyday life ness
We make order by articulating truth and then we inhabit the order. The order is the negotiated social agreements we come to to live among each other without tearing each other to shreds — which is basically what chimpanzees do to each other — so we need to negotiate the social order and we do that through articulated speech.
….the word made flesh, which is the instantiation of the logos in the body so that it’s acted out in the world. It’s the fundamental proposition of western culture — and we’ve lost it, and we will not survive without it.” – JP
This is a central feature of his thought — that the universities in particular (and culture at large) have fallen under the sway of a new version of Marxist thought — hidden inside a worldview of ‘opposing oppression’. How even if this worldview has elements of truth, and is followed by people driven by compassion and a desire for justice — it has become a fixed and divisive ideology.
“There are no shortage of flaws in the manner in which we’ve structured our society and compared to any hypothetical Utopia is an absolutely dismal wreck. But compared to the rest of the world and the plight of other societies throughout the history of mankind we’re doing pretty damn well and we should be happy to be living in the society that we’re living at. – JP
have you read the divide..? just mercy..? chasing the scream..? … witnessed the indigenous..? i could go on..
yeah.. lots better for some.. but for many.. they should be happy to be living in the society that are..?
So the first thing that you might want to note about postmodernism is that it doesn’t have a shred of gratitude. And there’s something pathologically wrong with a person who does that it doesn’t have any gratitude especially when they live in what so far is the best of all possible worlds. – JP
oy – that world where we are 95% not ourselves.. and so suicide is souring.. and we are incarcerating so many.. wtf..?
And so if you’re not grateful you’re driven by resentment, and resentment is the worst emotion that you can possibly experience *apart from arrogance. Resentment arrogance and deceit. There is an evil triad for you and if you’re bitter about everything that’s happening around you despite the fact that you’re **bathed in wealth then there’s something absolutely wrong with you.”
*exactly.. arrogance/blindness from the bubble
As a psychologist Peterson would agree that the idea of moral progress is an illusion. No matter the technological advances of society — each human being starts again from *zero at birth — and has to learn anew the moral lessons and how to live, with **the same propensity to fall into habits of thought and belief structures that are influenced by the worst aspects of ourselves.
not *zero.. not **the same.. ie: imagine a turtle..
some stuff i don’t understand what he’s (thru this author) meaning
“I think the solution is an individual one. Because the other solutions are collective and the collective solutions are in some sense the problem.
yes that.. we have the means today to redefine decision making.. so we can’t not.. because.. public consensus always oppresses someone..
…he people that I’ve found that have been most useful in that regard have been Dostoevsky and Nietzsche and Carl Jung and a smattering of others but I think they have their finger on the pulse.”
No self-respect, no power, no ability to voice your opinions. Nothing left but resentment because everyone is against you because of course you’ve never stood up for yourself. It’s like say what you think. Carefully pay attention to your words. It’s a price you want to pay if you are willing to believe that truth is the cornerstone of society and in the most real sense if you’re if you if you’re willing to take that leap then tell the truth and see what happens.
Nothing better could possibly happen to you. There’ll be ups and downs and there’ll be push back and there’ll be controversy and all of that but it doesn’t matter.
ok.. now this is another huge myth.. it’s not that people are timid.. voiceless.. maybe the people you know.. zoom out man.. to many people push back would be a luxury
good news.. we have means to hear all the voices.. today..
U Toronto Psychology Professor
Jordan Bernt Peterson (born June 12, 1962) is a Canadian clinical psychologist and professor of psychology at the University of Toronto. His main areas of study are the psychology of religious and ideological belief, and the assessment and improvement of personality and performance. He authored Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief in 1999.
Peterson grew up in Fairview, Alberta. He earned a B.A. in political science in 1982 and a B.A. in psychology in 1984, both from the University of Alberta, and his Ph.D in clinical psychology from McGill University in 1991. He remained at McGill University as a post-doctoral fellow for two years before moving to Massachusetts, where he worked as an assistant and associate professor in the psychology department at Harvard University. In 1997, he moved to the University of Toronto as a full professor.
In 2016, Peterson released a series of videos on his YouTube channel in which he criticized the Canadian government’s Bill C-16. The videos sparked an ongoing controversy that received significant media coverage.
The series of videos drew criticism from transgender activists, faculty, and others, and critics accused Peterson of fostering a climate of hate. Protests erupted on campus, some including violence, and the controversy attracted international media attention. In November, the National Post published an op-ed by Peterson in which he elaborated on his opposition to the bill and explained why he publicly made a stand against it. He stated:
I will never use words I hate, like the trendy and artificially constructed words “zhe” and “zher.” These words are at the vanguard of a post-modern, radical leftist ideology that I detest, and which is, in my professional opinion, frighteningly similar to the Marxist doctrines that killed at least 100 million people in the 20th century.
I have been studying authoritarianism on the right and the left for 35 years. I wrote a book, Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief, on the topic, which explores how ideologies hijack language and belief. As a result of my studies, I have come to believe that Marxism is a murderous ideology. I believe its practitioners in modern universities should be ashamed of themselves for continuing to promote such vicious, untenable and anti-human ideas, and for indoctrinating their students with these beliefs. I am therefore not going to mouth Marxist words. That would make me a puppet of the radical left, and that is not going to happen. Period.
certainly barely taking him in..
gut reaction .. hard to take people that think they have a better way to live.. but first they have to train you.. ie: how to change world – properly..? [ie: at 28 min he says.. better grades.. better grad rate.. so it works.. click purchase for 14.95.. then enter this code.. wtf]
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Very good takedown of Jordan Peterson’s work.
“”His grotesque caricature and slander of the humanities is very different from what actually happens in humanities classrooms.
Peterson may believe that all humanities courses have united under the banner of “postmodern neo-Marxism,” but even a first-year undergraduate soon realizes that her professors often disagree and that the “humanities” are not a monolithic entity.
They are, instead, a teeming diversity of subject matter, methodologies, and modes of critical thinking.””
Few in the media who have lauded Peterson as being “right” on free speech in universities have bothered to qualify that he is dangerously wrong about everything else, thus bringing him new followers and burnishing his brand.
That brand has become immensely profitable: after Peterson was denied a sshrc grant this year, his friends at the Rebel launched an Indiegogo campaign that has netted him, at the time of writing, $195,230. Meanwhile, his Patreon page is now bringing in more than $60,000 each month from approximately 6,400 supporters. His YouTube channel, where he uses material filmed during his U of T lectures to flog his fundraising programs—which should raise serious ethical concerns for the university—has more than half a million subscribers. It seems indisputable: Peterson is now the most famous professor in Canada.
Peterson’s immense popularity on the far right lies precisely in his intellectual validation of those traditional power hierarchies as natural and necessary—a message perfectly attuned to those who feel dispossessed and threatened by movements for sexual and racial equality. Most of Peterson’s videos offer variations on the theme that human behavior is the product of an ancient “male dominance hierarchy” that separates winners from losers—and that any attempt to question or subvert this hierarchy will result in unhappiness for the individual or chaos for society.
To fully grasp the depth of Peterson’s belief in power hierarchies, take his commitment to IQ testing: “If you don’t buy IQ research,” he has told his students, “then you might as well throw away all of psychology
Peterson’s commitment to IQ is simply the reflection of his commitment to an unalterable hierarchy of human beings.