intro’d to Vitalik in this convo with Nikola (at the time Vitalik is the 26 yr old chief scientist with ethereum):
Ethereum is a Decentralized Consensus Platform
on using bitcoin ness in other realms… basic problem that bitcoin solved that digital space was looking out for 30 years was a time stamping problem.. blockchain came out with first solution
other uses than money, ie: domain registration… any kind of application that can benefit from being able to tell when original sent
ethereum.. take this general idea and make it abstract… de centralized consensus system… operating system that you can build on top of any feature
6 min – idea of platform completely in the background
15 min – my dream – take internet forward and take it to its logical conclusion… which i don’t know for sure… but ie: mesh networking (what if anyone can participate),
17 min – turing completeness (a computation that has loops) not all that relevant
22 min – ethereum is the platform, ether is the oil that makes it work – regulating/mediating computation
26 min – on renting out space (dropbox ish) and computational work and bandwidth
27 min – non financial category… ie: de centralized govt… coorp.. org.. decentralized voting… reputation systems… credential systems.. name registration… ie: a decentralized twitter…
31 min – on how the decentralized drop box works… creating redundant nodes so that any one of them can re create the whole
32 min – ethereum not a currency.. a platform.. so you can use whatever currency you want
35 min – ecosystem of apps – we’re calling them daps – so that like java – people can benefit from them without understanding them
37 min – on ethereum being both less/more efficient
39 min – consensus system – tells you what happens in what order, state system verifies
47 min – algorithms not locked can evolve over time
48 min – ethereum is not a currency.. it’s an abstract platform that lets you do whatever you want
57 min – on buying ether..
? – doesn’t sound equitable… so doesn’t sound like it’s on a road to the full potential of the web..? no?
on ethereum not being currency ie: bitcoin – hard to change the system within the system
so – why do we need a floss (structure for flok) or ethereum or ?
resonant of Ed and lms. first we used moodle, then ning, then facebook & twitter, the web in house/city, the mobiles/chalkboards in city..
can’t we just use w w w
Finalists in these categories include American astrophysicist Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Chinese artist Ai Weiwei, Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales, SpaceX founder Elon Musk, Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg, and Vitalik Buterin, founder of the much-hyped “Bitcoin 2.0″ platform Ethereum.
In fact, Buterin and Zuckerberg were up against each other in the same category, “IT software.” Surely, Zuckerberg was a shoe-in, right? He’s the celebrity name, the natural choice. But Vitalik Buterin was chosen over Zuckerberg, winning this year’s World Technology Award for IT Software.
Buterin was specifically recognized for his work with Ethereum, as well as for founding Bitcoin Magazine.
For Ethereum to be recognized by such a body, whose members include thousands of industry and thought leaders like Bill Gates, filmmaker James Cameron, Richard Dawkins, X PRIZE founder Peter Diamandis, Nintendo founder Shigeru Miyamoto, and Sir Tim Berners-Lee, the founder of the internet, is a great victory for the cryptocurrency movement and for blockchain technology’s recognition in general.
Tim (founder of www) – would love to know what he says of ethereum..
Blockchain innovations that manage networks, servers or natural resources really do radicalise infrastructure. We’re no longer speaking about monolithic resources with prohibitive barriers to entry, the quintessential server farm housed in some distant industrial estate. Instead, we can imagine infrastructure as something immaterial and dispersed, or managed through flexible and transient forms of ownership. Where powerful servers, channels and processing capacities seem like the primary chokepoint of open networks, the blockchain is a powerful antidote. As Buterin argues in a recent interview:
We would build a decentralised Internet network where all of us would access documents and content..
without going through a server.
It means that you will need zero infrastructure to develop and distribute applications.
Vitalik Buterin is a programmer, writer, founder of Ethereum, the decentralized web 3.0 publishing platform and co-founder of Bitcoin Magazine, a website and print magazine that covers bitcoin-related topics. In 2014, Buterin won the World Technology Award for the co-creation and invention of Ethereum. Buterin was born in Russia, grew up in Canada, and currently resides in Zug, Switzerland.
Buterin became interested in bitcoin in 2011, and co-founded the periodical Bitcoin Magazine that year. He serves as head writer for the magazine, and has written about bitcoin-related topics for other publications, including Bitcoin Weekly. He is a co-creator and inventor of Ethereum, described as a “decentralized mining network and software development platform rolled into one” that facilitates the creation of new cryptocurrencies and programs that share a single block chain (a cryptographic transaction ledger).
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primavera (@yaoeo) tweeted at 6:17 AM – 15 Dec 2016 :
What are #blockchain for? Decentralized “stateful” apps: e.g. currency, certificate registration/revocation—@VitalikButerin #COALAnairobi (http://twitter.com/yaoeo/status/809386913148923908?s=17)
in my head/heart… like saying.. what is ic for.. measuring melt times in made up scenarios
ie:how long to melt via dragon fire
rather.. imagine if we used blockchain to make ‘stateful’ apps irrelevant
primavera (@yaoeo) tweeted at 6:18 AM – 15 Dec 2016 :
#blockchain are politically decentralized, architecturally decentralized, but are logically centralized—@VitalikButerin #COALAnairobi (http://twitter.com/yaoeo/status/809387248051486721?s=17)
primavera (@yaoeo) tweeted at 6:21 AM – 15 Dec 2016 :
#blockchain-based app have taken over 1/3 of the overall crowd-funding ecosystem —@VitalikButerin #COALAnairobi (http://twitter.com/yaoeo/status/809387856485564416?s=17)
primavera (@yaoeo) tweeted at 6:20 AM – 15 Dec 2016 :
Logical centralization means that there is one single point of reference that everyone agrees with—@VitalikButerin #COALAnairobi (http://twitter.com/yaoeo/status/809387579351191553?s=17)
let’s try.. a & a.. via self talk as data .. so reg’s: 2 convos as the day
primavera (@yaoeo) tweeted at 6:18 AM – 15 Dec 2016 :
#blockchain is about creating decentralized application with “state” so that everyone can see all operations. —@VitalikButerin #COALAnairobi (http://twitter.com/yaoeo/status/809387043117797376?s=17)
use blockchain to make state ness irrelevant.. so.. no need to observe them
primavera (@yaoeo) tweeted at 6:24 AM – 15 Dec 2016 :
#DAO are complex stateful computer code that can control its own assets and incentivize people to do things—@VitalikButerin #COALAnairobi (http://twitter.com/yaoeo/status/809388777403805696?s=17)
dao: In computer software, a data access object (DAO) is an object that provides an abstract interface to some type of database or other persistence mechanism. By mapping application calls to the persistence layer, DAO provide some specific data operations without exposing details of the database.
and if control of assets and incentives irrelevant..?
imagine possibilities of blockchain ness
primavera (@yaoeo) tweeted at 6:27 AM – 15 Dec 2016 :
What if the code has a problem? writing bug-free code is easy, but making complex bug-free code is hard —@VitalikButerin #COALAnairobi (http://twitter.com/yaoeo/status/809389308490776580?s=17)
primavera (@yaoeo) tweeted at 6:28 AM – 15 Dec 2016 :
Formal verification is about using software to check other software for “correctness”—but what is correctness? @VitalikButerin #COALAnairobi (http://twitter.com/yaoeo/status/809389567866499073?s=17)
yeah…for all the things …thinkings…
primavera (@yaoeo) tweeted at 6:29 AM – 15 Dec 2016 :
Fairness cant be defined in deterministic manner; need to reduce the gap between intuition and implementation—@VitalikButerin #COALAnairobi (http://twitter.com/yaoeo/status/809389956401598464?s=17)
primavera (@yaoeo) tweeted at 6:30 AM – 15 Dec 2016 :
If we can define “fairness” in a computational way, we can create a friendly AI—@VitalikButerin #COALAnairobi (http://twitter.com/yaoeo/status/809390128875667456?s=17)
ie: everyone getting a go everyday
primavera (@yaoeo) tweeted
scalability: so have prob deep/simple/open enough
privacy: just happens.. ie: how do i hide and still be out there..? have gershenfeld sel
Daria Suvorova (@Daria_Suv) tweeted at 10:36 AM – 24 Apr 2017 :
Ethereum’s Boy King Is Thinking About Giving Up the Mantle https://t.co/tEO0oZJIPM via @motherboard (http://twitter.com/Daria_Suv/status/856547425032581120?s=17)
But the political tumult of 2016 changed his mind—he now says he has more in common with Angela Merkel than with Trump supporters or militant anti-fascists. He doesn’t think everybody’s nice anymore; the world is split into “tribes,” he said, and the only way to make them work together is with money.
“The way that I view economic incentives is that it is, in a lot of ways, the lowest common denominator,” meaning the easiest way to motivate people, Buterin said. “Maybe two or three years ago, I would have been more sympathetic to the idea that people being nice to each other and helping their neighbours was the lowest common denominator, but then I realized that people are willing to do totally mean things to people outside of their tribe.”
Thus, Ethereum and its underlying philosophy: so-called “crypto-economics,” or the idea is that with math and money, competing and even adversarial interests can be made to find equilibrium, in Buterin’s eyes. At the end of the day, money is the “story” that gives people faith in this system.
money is made up man..
there’s a nother way
haven’t read whole piece closely yet
Ethereum Network (@EthereumNetw) tweeted at 10:08 PM – 2 Feb 2018 :
Vitalik Buterin Donates $2.4 Million to SENS, Non-Profit Working on Diseases of Aging https://t.co/FLuAAn0bO8 (http://twitter.com/EthereumNetw/status/959654682795835392?s=17)
Ethereum’s Vitalik Buterin on the bitcoin bubble and running a $125bn blockchain
via michel fb share
These are famous papers. On your own, you appear to rediscover these results without knowing about the papers at all. So how would you describe how you teach yourself economics?
v: I guess it involves a combination of things. Some of it is reading what various economists on the internet say. Some of it is reading papers. Sometimes, if I want to dig into some topic more deeply, I end up reading books, like I read one on urban transportation economics a while back.
v: It’s always kind of an indispensable opportunity to physically go to places and actually talk to people, because that way you learn things about both what people are thinking about and how people are thinking in the space that you can’t easily find from the internet.
v: I would say that cryptoeconomics (coined), first of all, is economics. It’s not like we’re inventing some completely different parallel society with a different parallel economy and different rules, but it is economics specialized to a particular set of circumstances. Then you have to ask yourself, “Well, what describes those circumstances?” There are a few major parts to that answer…First of all, whatever mechanisms you have in cryptoeconomics land have to be fully specified exactly — not exactly to the standards of a court judge, but exactly to the standards of a computer programmer. What that means is that there’s a lot of things that you can’t do..can’t say in cryptoeconomics, “It’s illegal to bribe people,” because there’s really no simple way to define what a bribe is…cannot throw me in jail. You cannot socially ostracize me so I can’t earn any money again because I can always just switch identities.
v:Basically we’re trying to figure out, given these constraints and given these building blocks, what kind of systems and what kind of mechanisms can we design to achieve the properties that we want? And under what kinds of assumptions do those properties hold?
v: (answering what kinds of problems want to solve): this situation where you realize the kinds of problems that you run into when you try to incentivize behavior..Then, under those kinds of conditions, trying to figure out what is the right way to motivate Alice and motivate Bob while preserving all sorts of different properties.
v: another whole aspect is also the broader and social question of how will blockchain-based systems actually end up affecting society?
What is a blockchain’s unique competitive advantage?
competitive.. how about.. it’s potential to work for everyone
v: I thought that the general idea that a blockchain is one of the few tools that allows you to credibly commit to not turning into a monopolistic jerk is actually a really interesting insight and one that I have arrived at myself, but it definitely helps to have it be crystallized in that way.
v: One of the analogies I keep going back to is this idea of a “world computer.” The idea, basically, is that a blockchain, as a whole, functions like a computer. It has a hard drive, and on that hard drive, it stores what all the accounts are…It stores what the code of all the smart contracts is, what the memory of all these smart contracts is. I
why contracts..? why not just store curiosity..?
v: I try to make myself maximally accessible in a bunch of ways, try to bring different people in different communities together,
v: I don’t really think that there are many legal or regulatory changes that can help, at least on the technological development side, because ultimately the US already has all of these code-is-free-speech precedents, and most other countries, even those without significant free speech protections, are still willing to follow along in principle.
I think for development in tech, the environment is very close to as friendly as it can be. The next question is, of course, the question of what happens when the tech is built and you start talking about actual wider deployment and adoption.
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commenter on michel’s thread:
Chris Cook Vitalik is a very smart, clearly open person who appears to be ‘on the side of the angels’.
Can’t ask for more.