zachary on revolutions

How Revolutions REALLY Happen with ‪@MoneylessSociety‬ (zachary marlow – first intro’d to him here: liminal village) – aug 2024 – 56 min video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6gCxwkO5jA]

via @zacharycmarlow tweet [https://x.com/zacharycmarlow/status/1827172278846812545]

disclaimer: i don’t think we’ve yet had a legit revolution.. always been in sea world.. everything to date = same song.. need hari rat park law et al

notes/quotes:

daniel: zachary most operative in maintaining moneyless society youtube channel

z: how do we get out of these ideas and bring them into something we’re actually doing.. shaking the cages we’re all stuck in..t

how we gather in a space is huge.. need to try spaces of permission where people have nothing to prove to facil curiosity over decision making.. because the finite set of choices of decision making is unmooring us.. keeping us from us.. ie: whatever for a year.. a legit sabbatical ish transition

there’s a legit use of tech (nonjudgmental expo labeling).. to facil a legit global detox leap.. for (blank)’s sake.. and we’re missing it

2 min – d: able to find our people..t

well.. that is huge.. and not yet tried.. need means (nonjudgmental expo labeling) to undo hierarchical listening as global detox so we can org around legit needs

ie: imagine if we listened to the itch-in-8b-souls 1st thing everyday & used that data to connect us

ie: tech as it could be.. ai as augmenting interconnectedness

4 min – d: internet too easy to find echo chamber.. so hard to take seriously what is necessary – convince large group of people to act

if think you have to convince others to act (that is people telling other people what to do) then will end up in same song.. will never be shaken (or whatever) out of cages (sea world)

4 min – d: what’s necessary to go out in world and empower the people .. what do you have to do to get that done.. end up with just a bunch of opinions.. not able to get anything done as revolutionaries

5 min – d: what’s the solution.. the solution is hard work.. you’ve got to actually go out into the world meet people where they are at.. build power structures.. build means for people to be empowered..

takes a lot of work ness as cancerous distraction

d: requires the development of a *collective interest (murray bookchin): interest that enormous collective of people hold together.. if big/contrary enough.. **can motivate enormous numbers of people to act

*murray bookchin.. need to org around itch-in-8b-souls

**if need incentive ness.. cancerous distraction

6 min – d: union fights for something everybody needs: higher wages, more time off, more luxury, more benefits.. that got all kinds of people together to do something they could agree on..

but no revolution.. because those aren’t something everybody needs.. in fact.. esp 1st two.. are cancerous distractions

7 min – z: the autistic special interest.. that thing we hold in our heart.. find people who can really imagine something diff

higashida autism law

8 min – z: union movements were very powerful.. we’re seeing again rise of vanguard.. bookchin: listen marxist.. ‘here we go again’.. reactionary..

any re ness as cancerous distraction

15 min – z: none of these movements are coming together to share their resources and make their decision democratically

oi.. the finite set of choices of decision making is unmooring us.. keeping us from us.. ie: whatever for a year.. a legit sabbatical ish transition.. sans any form of democratic admin.. sans any form of m\a\p

16 min – d: what is actually going to determine future.. is what we do in reality.. what we act out.. what gets built in the world.. and what can be demonstrated what needs to be done.. you should build what you want to see done

sabbatical ish transition

graeber model law

18 min – z: have to start w working simple system.. build something and let it evolve from our own natural context.. feedback loops create the world.. not ideas.. we’ve seen the failure of that again and again and again.. massive protests.. but haven’t had revolution or regime change..

ie: a nother way

20 min – z: we need to adopt a new politics.. emerging out of arab spring.. creating platforms for ourselves to org on.. use tech to create cosmo local scaling system.. holonic.. fractally scaling system ..

cosmo local ness.. holonics et al.. with organism as fractal

need: infinitesimal structures approaching the limit of structureless\ness and/or vice versa .. aka: ginorm/small ness

we need a problem deep enough to resonate w/8b today.. via a mechanism simple enough to be accessible/usable to 8b today.. in an ecosystem open enough to set/keep 8b legit free

ie: org around a problem deep enough (aka: org around legit needs) to resonate w/8b today.. via a mechanism simple enough (aka: tech as it could be) to be accessible/usable to 8b today.. and an ecosystem open enough (aka: sans any form of m\a\p) to set/keep 8b legit free

22 min – z: autonomy to consensus up and down.. bioregion/local/culture.. then scale them up..

rather.. need to try tech w/o judgment to connect us.. legit freedom will only happen if it’s all of us.. and in order to be all of us.. has to be sans any form of measuring, accounting, people telling other people what to do

ie: imagine if we listen to the itch-in-8b-souls 1st thing everyday & use that data to connect us (tech as it could be.. ai as augmenting interconnectedness)

22 min – z: on seeing whole world as one.. iteration of indigenous knowledge system that are all wholistic

not really about knowledge though.. black science of people/whales law et al.. graeber can’t know law

24 min – z: we’re not pushing an ideology..

d: on gall’s law – process good when not about building from scratch.. take small known working subsystems.. develop iteratively in small steps.. creating from scratch is difficult so use modules that work.. with simplest version you can think of.. start at smallest simplest scale

oi.. perhaps until now.. now have means to facil the seeming chaos of 8b legit free people.. let’s try sabbatical ish transition

yeah to the ginormous/small ness

26 min – d: if your ideology demands some great seizure and imposition of new paradigm on entire nation.. it will never work.. will always slide back into easiest to use.. we have to build the thing that is going to replace it now or nothing is going to happen

29 min – z: we need to collectivize in smallest form.. get out of debt.. worker coops.. housing for own community.. we’re trying to build systems in a collapsing system.. that is the momentum we need to understand how to capture that momentum and channel them into creating energy systems

31 min – z: on re energizing entire city.. et al

that’s a cancerous distraction.. we have to trust all that will be taken care of if we have 8b legit free people..

what we need most: the energy of 8b alive people

humanity needs a leap.. to get back/to simultaneous spontaneity .. simultaneous fittingness.. everyone in sync..

33 min – z: richard wolf said: make it known who you are and what you stand for long before collapse happens

richard d wolff

well.. not if organizing around legit needs.. ie: something everyone already craves/needs.. then no train.. no prep needed..

34 min – z: we need to connect all our systems that work.. ie: coops, protests, alt currency, movements, we need a system of building

those only work to perpetuate sea world

d: the thing is.. that’s a lot of hard work.. in order to learn from people.. in order to make decisions with them..

takes a lot of work = cancerous distraction

huge red flag we’re doing it/life wrong

39 min – z: socialism as opp of individualism.. because we are social

40 min – z: we need to realize the system itself is making these people

grammatis broken law

43 min – z: all isms insufficient in solving problems.. we need new systems.. in all ways we see/think/create

49 min – z: on social contracts et al.. to help us end up eroding us

50 min – z: on what would we do after revolution.. we need new orgs that enable people to enter into relationship regardless of their id.. open access.. barrier free sharing.. and collab to meet basic needs..t

actually deeper.. need global detox leap.. because none of us grok legit needs.. so whac-a-mole-ing assumed/survival/physical needs.. again.. need 1st/most: means to undo our hierarchical listening to self/others/nature so we can org around legit needs

51 min – z: fav buck quote (he’s so underrated): never change things by fighting existing reality.. build new model that makes old obsolete….t not an ideology/ism/idea.. it just is to such veracity that it just spreads.. need to radically org

fuller change law: you never change things by fighting the existing reality. to change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.  – Buckminster Fuller

again we need a problem deep enough to resonate w/8b today.. via a mechanism simple enough to be accessible/usable to 8b today.. in an ecosystem open enough to set/keep 8b legit free

52 min – z: pool resources.. create own currencies, mutual aid, time banks, sharing econs.. starts w basic seed of us coming together and pooling our efforts.. out of scarcity/individualism.. needing water et al..

54 min – z: on indigenous before money.. going in a circle saying what they need help with.. then everyone would make a social contract and help each other.. my friend will radico (?).. blockchain system of social contracts.. voucher systems.. et al.. there’s so many ways we can do the things.. but we’re wasting time talking.. then spreading the good news is just pointing at what is happening

will end up with same song man.. if any form of m\a\p

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via zachary marlow (liminal village.. zachary on revolutions) tweet [https://x.com/zacharycmarlow/status/1835196216348745786]:

Coordination is still the hardest hard problem. Building a new internet, creating a thorium molten salt reactor in a storage container to power a circular city in a dessert oasis is absolutely not as hard as just getting people raised as rugged individuals to WORK TOGETHER!

how we gather in a space is huge.. need to try spaces of permission where people have nothing to prove to facil curiosity over decision making.. because the finite set of choices of decision making is unmooring us.. keeping us from us.. ie: whatever for a year.. a legit sabbatical ish transition

there’s a legit use of tech (nonjudgmental expo labeling).. to facil a legit global detox leap.. for (blank)’s sake.. and we’re missing it

need 1st/most: means to undo our hierarchical listening to self/others/nature as global detox/re\set.. so we can org around legit needs

ie: imagine if we listened to the itch-in-8b-souls 1st thing everyday & used that data to connect us (tech as it could be.. ai as augmenting interconnectedness)

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quadratic voting funding et al

on the ground ness et al

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money\less

money\ness

perhaps let’s try/code money (any form of measuring/accounting/people telling other people what to do) as the planned obsolescence .. where legit needs are met w/o money.. till people forget about measuring..ie: sabbatical ish transition

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