juan on long term infra
Talks like this one from @juanbenet give me hope. https://t.co/XK1itBqKi4
He brings up an approach, similar to encryption, where we make it ridiculously hard and expensive to create doomsday. I.e. sending colonies into deep space without telling anyone where they’re going.
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/listenaddress/status/1282002566839058432
Long Term Info-structure | Juan Benet @juanbenet – feb 2020 – 90 min video
6 min – think broader than day to day – history of billions of years.. world so similar for so long.. then just from 1 million years ago to 10 yrs ago.. what’s going on right now is really diff than anything that has happened before..
12 min – let’s try to go forward in time.. 10-100 yrs – people in mars.. we hope.. ai.. 1000 yrs – apocalypse.. to million.. lose ability to think about it.. because of the profound diff of now.. we can’t forsee at all what we will do.. hard to understand what’s coming.. even around the corner.. 25 yrs..
13 min – big things have small beginnings.. so hard to predict.. to estimate the value.. things are being played w right now that are presenting radical changes to what it means to be human.. so with that there is danger
i’m actually more worried about uploads and ai
16 min – doomsday timescale.. graph money vs time.. 1945 – 1960 – unlocked new thing – nuclear program.. billions of dollars..
18 min – i really want to make sure we don’t screw this up.. we’re part of an extraordinary luck thing.. think beyond civilization/galaxy.. but we could screw part of it up.. can’t blow up universe.. but could set ourselves back..
19 min – then on people/countries that could afford the doomsday index.. how many of these people are going to go crazy and try this stuff.. we didn’t have to worry about this 100 yrs ago.. (couldn’t afford it) .. but do have to worry about it now
20 min – we should be working on limiting that (danger).. ie: control tech – but who controls the controllers.. maybe we need larger scale systems that can detect problems as we go along..t
on danger: gershenfeld something else law
on deeper system: cure ios city
22 min – pic of living on mars.. don’t we want this now.. in case something does go bad here
no.. we can do better than that
how is a corp .. actually one of best hopes today for our long term survival.. why is nasa so underfunded.. something really wrong w govt..
deeper than that
24 min – today.. problems people are arguing about.. don’t even fit into these time scales
we need to rethink drastically how we get people to learn things.. t
25 min – can go extinct or not.. so do nothing (or avg) .. or work on solving these problems.. ie: how to move to next realm.. make sure ai goes right.. this is a very important thing to work on ..t
ai humanity needs.. augmenting interconnectedness (not intelligence)
26 min – whatever you’re doing.. make sure it stacks up to this
stuff i’m working on is an attempt to go and fix some of this.. day to day activity can have drastic cosmic impact.. t
27 min – so 3 problems i’m working on .. t
1\ secure communications for humanity (internet and tor – safe no borders.. perhaps means *fully encrypted communication)
2\ secure computation for humanity (web and ipfs – computing systems..integrating w us into whole organism.. how you relate to fellow humans.. think more about us ness)
3\ secure flourishing of knowledge (wikipedia, archives et al – construct packages people can install.. like books did – *danger to treat all info equally)
*bigger danger/energy-suck.. is that (i’m guessing) all data is currently non legit.. ie: it’s from whales in sea world
imagine if we just focused on listening to the itch in 8b souls.. first thing.. everyday.. and used that data to connect/coord us.. we might just get to a more antifragile, healthy, thriving world.. the ecosystem we keep longing (both kinds of longing) for
31 min – there’s a massive crisis of perspective.. most people don’t know how to reason thru something.. we need help people around the planet learn better.. and get to truth.. scientifically verifiable
oi.. intellect ness.. killing us.. we need to let go of thinking that life is all about knowing things.. and realize it’s more about our dance/interconnectedness
34 min – most of advancements in computing can be boiled down to.. how can we get bits of data to places faster/better/securely.. and how can we functions to apply to that data faster/better/securely.. t
35 min – all blockchain is is a ledger of data that we all agree is right.. and since programs are just data.. you can think of shoving programs into this ledger of data and then running them.. that’s what bitcoin did from beginning.. just keeping a method of account
36 min – partly why all development (of bc) happened not in sv – because most sv people were all saying.. you’re telling me an accounting system that is worse than my pocket phone will run the econ of the world.. this is insane.. and they were right
so bc really just a way to reason about the computation.. having a consensus on the outcome of events.. and being able to upload your own little programs.. turns out that is a really powerful primitive
well.. uploading own programs.. (hlb via 2 convers that io dance.. as the day..).. yeah.. but let go of computation/reasoning and consensus.. we can do better than that.. we have to do better than that
that’s where legit trust comes in.. not manufactured trust
37 min – people using this (bc ness) as a new legal structure in computing.. think of smart contracts et al
vast majority of legal contracts on planet have something to do w moving around ownership.. setting terms.. and now you can do this entirely in a computer and you can trust it.. and you don’t fall into this malicious rational problem.. you can just trust that the computers are doing the right thing
wow.. ownership/setting-terms.. red flags of a deeper cancer.. a cancer called conditional trust (which isn’t trust).. so .. we’re trusting the computer to move around bits of mistrust..
what we need tech to do .. is help us undo our hierarchical listening
what we need most.. and what we can have.. is tech w/o judgment (ie: contracts/ownership/setting-terms.. all judgements
38 min – decentralized web.. taking current computing platform and making secure links.. converging quite quickly to bc..
39 min – these systems present possibility of reliable systems.. even if govt goes against you.. in a way that nobody can interfere with
what we need more.. what would be better.. would be if 8b people were more antifragile.. so that 1\ don’t need to secure us.. we thrive in disorder 2\ if it’s all of us.. we’d all be too busy to be interfering et al (gershenfeld something else law)
40 min – the thing we really care about is offline.. most of people on planet are not plugged into computing system same way you and i are.. we need to change our platforms to address this
42 min – we’re using cryptography to yield a computational platform native to the internet.. not from segregated old world models.. bc and decentralized web.. moving jurisdiction to web.. new way of getting safe/secure computing
? safety/security we need most.. is to let go of judge\ment (which is all about other-ing).. unconditional ness wakes us up.. making most of what you’re talking about (at least the purposes of the techs) a distraction and irrelevant
43 min – lot of people ask me why i am so pro encryption – (para: allows for bad people to take over).. what do we want the rules to be..
45 min – the crux for me is.. what potential negative future am i trying to avoid.. ie: ways for *few people to control vast amounts of people
already immersed in it.. (ie: supposed to’s.. of school/work) that’s why we can’t see a deep enough solution.. we have no idea what we’re like.. what we’re capable of.. we just keep looking at.. analyzing.. and building things for whales in sea world
2\ if we create a way to ground the chaos of 8b free people
47 min – there’s a nice interesting window right now.. where we can build really good systems and deploy them everywhere.. what are the rules.. for a really good infra? we don’t know yet.. need to figure this out.. t
rare global pause to reset us.. and we’re missing it
50 min – i’ve been recently obsessed with this problem.. marvin minsky: ‘how can we assign credit for the success among the multitude of decisions’.. i claim that solving this problems for humans is one of the greatest challenges that we have in econ in this century.. if we get this right.. we could rewire our econs to actually do good things
51 min – we don’t have good rep of what we value.. this is because we don’t have good credit assignment at al
go back to your earlier phrases.. who decides what is worthy of credit assignment..
let go man..
we need to build a much better way to encode our values into our econ.. if we do that.. will see new systems optimizing for right things.. if we solve this problem in next few years.. we could radically change a lot of the world.. t
w/ubi as temp placebo.. needs met w/o money..people forget about measuring
54 min – this is the thing i care about the most: our knowledge.. and we have not org’d our species for that yet
we should give digital info print like qualities.. otherwise have to resort back to books.. his ie: book on philosophy of math
56 min – archiving dimensions.. what should we archive..t
whatever we want.. but archiving isn’t what we need first.. listening to 8b daily curiosities is what we need.. we need the energy of 8b alive people.. not (the hubris from; assumption of; ..) knowledge
1:02 – starts convo w stewart
1:03 – been working on filecoin – trying to build permanent memory for humanity.. take bitcoin ness and make it do something useful
1:07 – on content address.. ness.. doesn’t rely on going to any particular server
deep address ness
1:12 – actually quite cheap to build things that are on the other side.. really expensive to break
1:19 – i think bc is drastically more concerned w governance than any other.. but need a ton more work
1:24 – by giving everybody a voice.. getting to see all diff perspectives.. all in one go.. we don’t get to pretend they don’t exist any more.. most people disagree about the basic foundations of reality.. this is something we really need to address.. helping people up.. helping people learn
1:26 – we for me.. is our tree of life – earth project.. but i think we’re part of something much bigger than that.. how dare we think we have it all figured out.. so much more for us to learn/discover.. if we can do more to help.. yeah.. but let’s just not screw it up