daniel thorson

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intro’d to Daniel in his convo w Vinay here:

thurman interconnectedness law

29 min – everyone feeling they are doing the best they can.. but not enough.. so why do it

it’s less about doing so much and more about sync.. to me.. the biggest/deepest problem is getting us back into sync..everyone in sync.. which can’t happen unless it’s everyone.. we can’t fix things.. we can just bring us all back together..

the ai humanity needs..

augmenting interconnectedness

30 min – in reality.. nothing we can do in amount of time we have.. so we are looking for hacks to buy us some time to do something about resource scarcity.. if people have enough .. so they don’t feel they need to butcher their neighbor for resources.. to some degree we could get them to chill out about

doing enough about material scarcity that we could get people to chill out a little is about all i think is realistic at this point in history..t

short bp

huge

you look at things like bi.. even a 3rd rate implementation of bi is likely to stop people starving in the streets.. even a lousy implementation of bi is likely to do a good job of stopping that (people falling off cliff).. worst part of anybody is..instability.. not knowing where money is coming from.. seems you could pull an enormous amount of anxiety out of society w bi.. not happier.. but less aggressively vicious and maybe less violent

33 min – i’m not talking massive save the world.. but maybe if people less scared..

34 min – now.. unable to prioritize.. we’re not noticing that we’re shooting people with one hand and handing out bandages with the other

rest of this and part 2 – mostly about awakening ness..

part 2

35 min – d: this helps me realize why we create monastic environs where you can contemplate these things w/o losing everything

imagine that space.. everyday.. for everyone.. ie: 2 convers as infra

listen & connect to undo our hierarchical listening

@dthorson: I predict we will soon see the rise of emergent self-governing collectives organized around shared problems or purpose. To participate in these collectives will require a high degree of sovereignty.

sovereignty?..
maybe just curiosity  ie: cure ios city

am thinking that would save a ton of energy.. by creating diff collectives..

‘in undisturbed ecosystems ..the average individual, species, or population, left to its own devices, behaves in ways that serve and stabilize the whole..’ –Dana Meadows

 1:04 – so much energy has been poured into this massive awakening dream (like eradicating racism – not gonna happen).. that could be poured into doing practical stuff in the world..

what we need most: the energy of 7bn alive people

begs tech as it could be..

Vinay Gupta (@leashless) tweeted at 6:37 PM on Tue, Apr 09, 2019:
I’m fascinated by how hard-hitting people found these two podcasts @dthorson and I did recently. We didn’t talk about extinction, or pandemic flu, or genocide, or any of that stuff. https://t.co/3BRmMfUJTY
https://t.co/qCzE2nwwdi We talked about *money* and homelessness and lies.
(https://twitter.com/leashless/status/1115775749212995589?s=03)

Vinay Gupta (@leashless) tweeted at 6:38 PM on Tue, Apr 09, 2019:
What really amazes me is the difference in reactions between part one and part two: part one, lots of fanfare. Part two, flat silence. Mostly we talk about the struggle of knowing how to help in a world gone things wrong.  https://t.co/3BRmMfUJTY
https://t.co/qCzE2nwwdi basically
(https://twitter.com/leashless/status/1115776153061658624?s=03)

Vinay Gupta (@leashless) tweeted at 6:42 PM on Tue, Apr 09, 2019:
I know we all want a two car garage (to put our fab lab in, if not a car) and free health care. These are our rights, right? But we share a planet with a million people who will starve to death this year. Socialism failed. Now what? https://t.co/3BRmMfUJTY
https://t.co/qCzE2nwwdi
(https://twitter.com/leashless/status/1115777159774318594?s=03)

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advancing human sovereignty – by Daniel Schmachtenberger – via @dthorson when i asked him what he meant by sovereignty here:

@dthorson: I predict we will soon see the rise of emergent self-governing collectives organized around shared problems or purpose. To participate in these collectives will require a high degree of sovereignty.

ie: cure ios city

[https://medium.com/@danielschmachtenberger/advancing-human-sovereignty-ef3c95860fff]

Sovereignty relates to the capacity for and demonstration of good (omni-positive) choice-making.

We can define sovereignty more formally as the product of sentience (one’s ability to sense the world), intelligence (one’s ability to make sense of the world), and agency (one’s ability to act on and in the world).

then @dthorson rt’d this tweet on individual sovereignty

@dthorson #RiffingDefinitionsForSharedSensemakingV1

To have individual sovereignty is to have a clear sense of your self, values, purpose, and your place in universe; To feel ”anchored”in your psyche deeply; to be in the world but not of; to be engaged in messy world with boundaries.

Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/drtime_/status/1115647345608118272

so.. what if with that/those definition\s.. curiosity is what creates/sustains sovereignty.. what if that’s why we’re missing it.. by not trusting/facilitating individual daily curiosity..

@dthorson: Ah! I think I’m getting you now. Yes, I think curiosity is a big part of what leads to sovereignty. I personally prefer ‘eros’ as a term for what I imagine you’re pointing to.

In that sense sovereignty is an emergent property of our deep love affair with life.

yeah..

thorson curiosity law

sovereignty ness

@dthorson: Meditation amplifies curiosity. First we practice cultivating curiosity towards ‘uninteresting’ things (like the breath). Eventually we become naturally curious towards all experience. Everything becomes interesting. Then the whole world unfolds like a flower

like a healthy 5 yr old.. back to vinay’s – give people a means to chill: 1 yr to be 5 ness

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@csageland Yes. The major bottleneck to their emergence is not infrastructure (which companies like @daostack and @joincolony are building) but the lack of human sovereignty in our world. I think that’s why folks like Daniel Schmacthenberger and @jgreenhall emphasize the quality so much.

Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/dthorson/status/1115954555068526592

i think the infra needs a detox embed .. get people back/to that love of life (cure ios city).. ie: 2 convers as infra..

major bottleneck is that we can’t seem to let go enough (gupta roadblock law) of all the things.. and just trust (unconditional trust – oxymoron) that that love/curiosity/sovereignty is already there.. the infra has to assume/model that trust

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6 min video

[https://vimeo.com/123798971]

5 min – the purpose (of meditation) for a lot of people is to wake up.. and if you achieve that thru tech means.. then the purpose is achieved.. if the goal is enlightenment.. whatever gets you there fastest.. go for it.. it takes a long time now.. so just do it faster

for (blank)’s sake…

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from Richard

Richard D. Bartlett (@RichDecibels) tweeted at 9:29 AM on Wed, Sep 25, 2019:
.@dthorson I have a wish: with yr podcast yr gaining wisdom and knowledge and integrating perspectives and helping the field advance. I want you to stop every 6 mo and interview yourself, get on a soapbox and encapsulate what’s shifted for you in the past period.
(https://twitter.com/RichDecibels/status/1176881325804007426?s=03)

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june 2020 – A Latter-Day Rip Van Winkle Emerges, Blinking, Into a Surreal Reality

[https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/us/coronavirus-meditation.html]

Daniel Thorson went into a silent retreat in mid-March, meditating through 75 coronavirus news cycles, Boris Johnson’s hospitalization, social distancing and sourdough starter. Now he’s catching up.

Daniel Thorson outside the cabin where he just finished a 75-day silent meditation retreat at the Monastic Academy in Lowell, Vt

“While I was on retreat, there was a collective traumatic emotional experience that I was not a part of,” he said, on the second day. “To what degree do I have to piece it back together?”

After graduating from college, he was an organizer for Occupy Wall Street, camping in Zuccotti Park in Lower Manhattan and engaging with pedestrians. He logged a few years with the Buddhist Geeks movement, promoting the use of online technology for enlightenment seeking. His podcast, “Emerge,” seeks to explore “the next phase of the human experiment.”

“I would turn a corner in the grocery store, and someone would be there, and they would recoil,” he said. “I haven’t installed the Covid operating system. At first, I was, like, ‘Whoa, what did I do?’”

He has begun to regard his phone use, he said on “The Stoa,” a philosophy podcast, with fear.. “This whole thing is a hell of a drug,” he said. “It really, really, really has an impact on my nervous system.”

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find/follow Daniel:

Thoughts are not me and not mine ⦿ Host of the Emerge podcast ⦿ Monastic at the Monastic Academy (http://www.monasticacademy.com)

boulder/vermont

http://www.emerge.is/

Emerge is here to help make sense of what’s next.
a podcast based inquiry into the emerging paradigms shaping the next phase of the human experiment.

[https://medium.com/emerge-together/an-invitation-to-emerge-d29663ce2ac6]

Themes, Topics & Tags

• Decentralization & Distributed Ledger Technology
• Pragmatic Idealism
• Responsive Organizations
• Automation
• Basic Income
• Adult Development
• Contemplative Technology
• Collective Intelligence
• Omni-Win Solutions
• Personal Knowledge Management
• Future of Computing
• Zero Marginal Cost and Zero Waste Production
• Human Sovereignty
• Metamodernism & The Listening Society

metamodernism

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last day of 2024 this tweet [https://x.com/dthorson/status/1873739647425397112]:

Hi everyone! I’m back from a six month psycho-emotional-spiritual breakdown that culminated in the most profound experience of transformation of my life. Pretty wild stuff. Anyway I realized I am a writer and I’m launching a Substack New Years Eve.  https://intimatemirror.substack.com

have to subscribe to read mirrors.. so these notes from 12 hrs before – when love breaks open – [can’t link in this old format.. but can get to it via link just above]

notes/quotes:

My opening was breaking through the conditioned mind and seeing that love is the most real thing – everything is born from and dies into love.

My breakdown was all my deepest insecurities reaching out for connection as if to test & affirm the reality of that love, as if all my most outrageous pain rose up into consciousness to say, “oh yeah? prove it.” My breakdown measured the distance between love’s infinite reality and my conditioned mind’s starved capacity to trust in it. It was a big gap.

I feel called to share this story of breakdown and how it has transformed my understanding of human transformation. While intensely painful and seemingly catastrophic at the local level, I believe that such passages are systemically necessary – perhaps even vital for our collective future.

This series of writings is my attempt to make that case – both to you and to myself.

The Series:

1. “When Love Breaks Open” (You are here) A personal account of breakdown and breakthrough, setting up the themes of transformation, safety, and the need for cultural support of these processes.

2. “Spirituality is Secure Attachment with Reality” Exploring how our relationship with reality itself mirrors our early attachment patterns, and how spiritual development can be understood as the movement toward secure attachment with existence.

3. “Facing the Truth of Your Desire” Examining how our desire becomes tangled with compensation and manipulation, and how spiritual practice helps us clarify rather than eliminate desire.

4. “The Living Dead” Looking at how trauma creates frozen territory within the psyche and how the technological mindset leads to a kind of living death that only true connection can heal.

5. “Healing is Safety” Exploring how healing naturally unfolds in the presence of safety, and what it means to create conditions where transformation can occur.

need to try spaces of permission where people have nothing to prove to facil curiosity over decision making.. because the finite set of choices of decision making is unmooring us.. keeping us from us..

ie: imagine if we listened to the itch-in-8b-souls 1st thing everyday & used that data to connect us (tech as it could be.. ai as augmenting interconnectedness)

need to try the unconditional part of left to own devices ness..

6. “Towards a Sane Future” Arguing for a future where wisdom and love keep pace with our technological power, and where processes of transformation are culturally supported.

would love to connect.. 

we have means to get to root of problem in an instant.. 

legit freedom will only happen if it’s all of us.. and in order to be all of us.. has to be sans any form of measuring, accounting, people telling other people what to do

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