adding page this day (team human interview)
douglas rushkoff (@rushkoff) tweeted at 6:43 AM – 10 Jan 2018 :
Back from 2 weeks hiatus, @teamhumanshow with P2P maestro Stacco Troncoso on commons sense, and me on how the Russia story is distracting us from fundamental changes in American law and policy, and the real, new, suffering and death it’s causing. https://t.co/wwzJuAxS1y (http://twitter.com/rushkoff/status/951087063142666240?s=17)
Stacco starts at 8 min
11 min – what they show is that people can deal w complexity
13 min – these are my friends.. they are working 60-80 hrs a week.. they cut their salary (on occupy and 15 m)
14 min – doug: what is it that’s energizing.. if it’s not resistance..
15 min – coming from a lot of self org’d projects… forced in this physical space.. it wasn’t homogenous.. it was contradictory.. but was very much commons.. what i’m really interested in is how it’s permeated culture
16 min – met Michel in 2013.. started volunteering heavily.. and now work fulltime at p2p
19 min – on p2p – generative creative blob.. outlets.. when i started digging into this wiki.. i thought.. this guy.. Michel.. has got everything i want.. hacking.. possibility of digital democracy.. and i thought.. they’re not talking to the hackers.. i thought this system (p2p) gets the lack of resources.. et al.. and i thought.. let’s bring this narrative forward that is based on existing practices..
21 min – doug: and that’s because this needs to happen at scale.. beyond these communities..
i prefer the word crystalize
doug: p2p seeing way to bring techs together with retrieving real p2p values
22 min – even in agri societies and even capitalism.. commons has been there..
what p2p does is scale up the small group dynamics
jo freeman ness
23 min – p2p democratizes production of knowledge
26 min – primer.. and new web page.. features better images.. et al.. not commons for dummies.. but a lot more inclusive..
27 min – doug: people are not stupid when it comes to real world things..t
28 min – doug: what’s the strategy.. how do we go from site.. to .. wherever.. how do we convince self/others it doesn’t have to be this way
show models.. ie: water commons enables.. models not based on profit
29 min – farmers get together.. but.. see complications arise.. because not educated to behave as commons.. must reach maturity to .. listen to others..
how about tech as it could be
doug: how do we ed to be commoners
30 min – policy level.. lobbying.. talk to politicians that are more amenable to these things.. ie: pirates.. commons is glue that unites these things.. a narrative we’re working hard on .. not just to power..
31 min – you don’t know what’s going to work so have to do both.. institutional.. creates space.. if have more space.. have material conditions to bring into practice..
32 min – operating on two levels.. knowledge level – global.. industrial machine.. michel – light global.. heavy local
35 min – a commons is not a commodity.. people become enabled..
we increase possibilities of this becoming true by making these projects visible..
36 min – a lot of changes not by lifestyle choices.. but survival.. it makes people change
38 min – ie: in barcelona.. guy who was against immigrants.. then accepted/welcome into commons.. supporting immigrants..
39 min – doug: sometimes the thing that collapses is not the thing itself.. it’s the structure around it that was keeping us from the thing..t
40 min – the commons predates capitalism
41 min – the commons keeps popping up its head in times of crisis..t
potentially half of world’s pop working on this
indigenous people 4% of planet.. but hold as commons 80%
holmgren indigenous ness
42 min – absent a profit motive.. do things much more differently.. spend time making hobbies into something useful.. we may get out of this mess..t
44 min – wherever commons .. someone wanting to enclose.. and wherever things collapse.. commons emerge naturally.. going on at same time.. in need a more approachable narrative that does give it complexity
47 min – rural areas.. people characterized as stupid.. but they get it.. they get the commons.. so if can extend narrative by lived experience.. may be able to increase synergies.. so it goes to finance/politics.. the commons can play w market and state..
50 min – commons allows us to be less dependent on market and state.. so good thing we can have both
doug: on realizing these online spaces aren’t enough any more.. wanting to get hands dirty.. on commoning.. so how do we start.. find others first.. or resources first..?
51 min – find the others first.. to do that.. have to explore in depth what you want to do.. a lot is more about listening than talking
52 min – it’s up to what you want to do.. and that may change.. we need diversity
bravery to change.. eud
EuropeanAlternatives (@EuroAlter) tweeted at 6:05 AM – 22 May 2018 :
While we prepare the release of our documentary, take a look to some of the interviews we are publishing in #politicalcritique! Now available two conversations with @ZoeJardiniere and @BaobabExp about migration, borders and human rights
#Demos https://t.co/00NjQITTrV (http://twitter.com/EuroAlter/status/998897645446991873?s=17)
Hervás Rock City, Spain
Stacco Troncoso (Spain) is the strategic direction steward of the P2P Foundation as well as the project lead for Commons Transition, the P2PF’s main communication and advocacy hub.