peter (p) on chaotic transition ness
peter pogany (via david macleod) on chaotic transition ness
via michel bauwens tweet [https://x.com/mbauwens/status/2117538581766185109?a=W8YyKJ6w77uXVTpBOhE&s=20]:
* Why a chaotic transition will be required, not a smooth transition …
https://daviddmacleod.substack.com/p/global-systems-peter-poganys-thermodynamic?
David MacLeod:
“What will it take to make the shift? Pogany came to the realization that the difference between GS2 and his vision for GS3 is so significant that bridging this gap would require a major transformation of both individual consciousness for some significant portion of the population AND in the collective consciousness as reflected by the Global System.
yes to chaos if only ‘some significant portion’ ness.. aka: chaos of same song.. but only seeming chaos if ‘all of us’
findings (aka: the things i can’t unsee) from on the ground ness deep dive and why we need tech w/o judgment
ie: the dance won’t dance unless/until it’s 1\ all of us 2\ legit free
nothing to date (ever since that day) has gotten to that root of problem
legit freedom will only happen if it’s all of us.. and in order to be all of us.. has to be sans any form of measuring, accounting, people telling other people what to do
there’s a legit use of tech (nonjudgmental exponential labeling) to facil the seeming chaos of a global detox leap/dance
This is “the rub”:
“…the average individual would not – could not! – be inwardly transformed as long as socioeconomic institutions characteristic of GS2 prevail.” (Havoc, p. 98)
rather.. no legit ‘transform/transition’ ness as long as it’s not all of us.. from the get go.. which begs no prep, no train.. begs sans any form of m\a\p
this comes up a lot ‘takes a lot of work/time/chaos’ ness and it’s a huge red flag to the too much of all the cancerous distractions to all the irrelevant s of the dance
need a way with no prep.. no train.. no strain.. otherwise we keep perpetuating the same song.. the whac-a-mole-ing ness of sea world.. of not-us ness.. of part\ial ness.. perpetuating survival triage.. for (blank)’s sake..
AND, the *socioeconomic institutions cannot be changed unless there is a **transformation of individual consciousness. Hence, we find ourselves in a ***double-bind: “Through their mutual cogency, the average individual’s internal and external worlds keep each other in check.” (Havoc, p. 99)
to me.. *if still changing institution ness.. won’t get to **legit transform ness (warning ness)
***nothing to do with ‘double’ ness.. the bind is in thinking we have to (or that we could) keep anything in ‘check’
graeber can’t know law.. graeber unpredictability/surprise law.. et al
People living under a stable global system will have a common set of beliefs and assertions *that to them are just “reality” that becomes “second nature.” Pogany asserts that cultural evolution is about how these “second natures” are created, maintained, and then **gotten rid of. He quotes Giambattista Vico: “***Mind and society are two aspects of the same evolutionary process.” (Havoc, p. 73)
*aka: whalespeak; myth of normal; et al
**need global detox leap for that.. because hari rat park law et al
***if mind is still intellectness (aka: wilde not-us law et al) and society is still sea world et al.. yeah to that chaotic/crazy ‘evolutionary process’.. but if we want conditions for all to be legit free.. all those become irrelevant s (via only seeming chaos)
*Which is why a chaotic transition will be required to get us from here to there..t **The typical consciousness cannot reconcile the need for a growing income based on economic activities with the fact that this dependence on growth is occurring on a finite planet. This brings us back to Jean Gebser’s theory about structures of consciousness.”
rather.. *which is why we need tech w/o judgment to get us from here to there.. so we can let go. of all these seemingly un chaotic cancerous distractions
ie: thinking/insisting it will be a ‘chaotic transition’ is part of the myth of normal that keeps us perpetuating myth of tragedy (of commons) and lord (of flies)
rather.. **typical whale consciousness doesn’t grok legit needs..
this is why we need 1st/most: means (nonjudgmental expo labeling) to undo hierarchical listening – so we can hear what’s already on each heart as global detox
in order to org around legit needs
the thing we’ve not yet tried/seen: the unconditional part of left to own devices ness
[‘in an undisturbed ecosystem ..the individual left to its own devices.. serves the whole’ –dana meadows]
again.. there’s a legit use of tech (nonjudgmental exponential labeling) to facil the seeming chaos of a global detox leap/dance
ie: whatever for a year.. a legit sabbatical ish transition
otherwise we’ll keep perpetuating the same song.. the whac-a-mole-ing ness of sea world.. of not-us ness.. of part\ial ness.. perpetuating survival triage.. for (blank)’s sake..
carhart-harris entropy law et al.. embracing uncertainty et al.. baan leave law et al..
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