[new york, new york]
also co-founder of center for planetary culture
intro’d to Daniel here:
Planetary Initiation: TEDxSanMigueldeAllende nov 2012
Bucky as major linchpin..
art is the opposite of a zero sum game.. abundance.. ness
19 min – civilization… consists not in the multiplication but the deliberate and voluntary reduction of wants.. this alone promotes true happiness and truth and contentment. – Ghandi
on reality sandwich:
Catch Daniel Pinchbeck’s hour long discussion on Red Ice Radio, an independent radio program.
He joins them to discuss aspects of the new paradigm which will transform human society. He explains how we are leading into a reality we collectively co-create.
In August 2013, Pinchbeck became the host of Mind Shift, a new talk show, filmed in New York City, produced by Gaiam TV.
From Daniel’s interview with Russell on mindshift:
what do you think is the means to a revolution..
everyone just needs to be nice..
the system requires us to be selfish.. when we leave that.. the system dies
oscar wilde‘s essay on socialism..
via Daniel – artists as engineers – to talk to the world about alternate routes than consumerism
oct 2014 w/Russell:
Can We Ditch Capitalism? Russell Brand The Trews (E170)
it’s so hard to envision another system
use tech to make the transition
buckminster vision in the 60’s – we have enough
10 min – decentralized autonomous communities… can we make that shift
tech for different kind of democracy exists.. but not the will – Russell
aug 2015 – on burning man
I think it would be truly amazing if we chose to make use of our deepest abilities to reverse the current direction of our society – to confront the ecological mega-crisis as a true initiation, and offer ourselves as vessels of this transformation.
I believe Burning Man represents an organic expression of something innate to human being-ness: We need initiatory experiences – centers where non-ordinary states of consciousness can be explored and, also, interpreted, with a shared context for understanding and integration.
At the same time, Burning Man has become another spectacle – another cultural phenomenon, in a sense, a cult – and one that sucks a huge amount of energy and time from people who could re-focus their talents and genius on what we must do to escape ecological collapse (building a resilient or regenerative society). The organization, itself, needs to undergo another level of self-analysis and transformation – much like the Catholic Church appears to be doing, under Pope Francis’ lead.
@Medium @rushkoff any chance we can have another meeting with them with you, myself, and futurist Daniel Schmachtenberger proposing an alternative path toward a regenerative society as I discuss in https://t.co/fsbvThIAwq ?
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/DanielPinchbeck/status/1015354844293582849
how soon is now..
on hold at library – thanks library
Daniel Pinchbeck (@DanielPinchbeck) tweeted at 5:19 AM – 25 Jul 2018 :
Had a great conversation with Sterlin Lujan, communications director at https://t.co/gYowRTCv7r and a “relational anarchist” – listen in here: https://t.co/6Tn1OpXssx (http://twitter.com/DanielPinchbeck/status/1022078925382541313?s=17)
45 min – d: it’s hard to imagine how we could have a transition to decentralized system w/o a lot of misery/chaos
46 min – s: first.. transition is a multi gen process.. i wouldn’t mind if happened overnight ..
48 min – s: designer governance – the shrinking down from nation states to communitarian environs.. based on voluntary opt in basis
51 min – d: libertarian is also very connected to idea of private property.. i look at societies that seem more successful than our own.. ie: indigenous communities who didn’t necessarily have the idea of private property..
52 min – s: i think the problem itself is not necessarily what it’s private property.. i think it’s with special privileges.. monopolies.. and licenses that govt provide property owners with.. so i think the real problem isn’t private property but rather state ism.. the idea that there has to be an authority figure.. that controls everybody in society.. i think on a fundamental level even communists/socialists believe that people have a right to have their personal property/possessions.. there’s no reason that can’t extend to houses..
53 min – d: usufruct.. could have 3 houses.. cars.. so back into common pool
54 min – s: already have this in sharing econ.. ie: ridesharing.. i think there will also be room for private propety
that’s not sharing
55 min – s: the important thing about having private property .. it allows for the creation/generation of wealth and expansion of tech enterprise.. w/o ability to generate capital.. it’s difficult to move forward technologically
not in a commons.. it would happen even better.. ie: only for what we need.. rather than to sell
56 min – d: in maintaining private property.. just winding way back to feudalism.. so govts.. for protection..t
58 min – s: the ultimate problem that leads to all of these injustices is statism
59 min – d: some would say it’s private property itself..t
1:00 s: i don’t think there’s a limit of size of property.. as long as land is worked/used.. and people own it economically
1:01 – d: so if i have my property and take care of it.. i get to keep it.. but for others who don’t have property.. what do they get
s: i think that’s what we call those emergency type situations..
rather.. normal today..
s: on refugees.. i see that as a problem of statism
1:02 – s: as long as relationships between people are voluntary.. then a perfectly moral situations.. the role of having property is so that we can solve disputes.. if we don’t have clear delineation of possessions.. that is what creates the chaos of primitive man
1:03 – d: i’m not even sure there was a chaos of primitive man.. i think that might be a projection of our modern worldview.. may have been subculture of indigenous that had no property and could solve disputes.. i think property creates haves and have nots..
1:04 – d: ideological baggage.. primitive people may have developed more complex relationships than us.. ie: modern civ only a few 1000 yrs old.. where nomadic/tribal maybe for 100 000 yrs more
s: all i’m talking about in barbarism of primitive man is this idea of authoritarianism.. that’s the real injustice
d: but isn’t that embedded in the concept of private property.. have to hire people to take care of land
1:05 – s: the only problem is when people are forced/coerced to work.. them coming to you and voluntary asking to work.. that’s not a coercive/aggressive relationship.. is it wrong for someone to come up and ask to mow your lawn and then you hire them.. if that is wrong then there are literally 100s of 1000s of people on a regular basis committing a crime/immoral act.. simply because they hired someone to work for them
1:06 – d: this *distinction between volunteerism and coercion is a very complex one.. people who don’t have means.. will have to do what they can to survive.. and that’s what we see throughout society.. that’s like the right wing argument.. ‘voluntary choosing to work at walmart.. market should decide price’.. while govt actually giving walmart a huge subsidy/welfare.. because walmart doesn’t pay enough to live.. so to me.. this division between volunteerism and coercion is a mental distinction that doesn’t really apply when you have people w needs ..t
rather.. *one and the same.. ie: voluntary compliance (because none of us are currently free.. most likely starting w some form of property ness)
1:07 – s: not really a mental distinction.. it’s a very practical.. and straight forward principle for looking at human arrangement.. coercion means that you’re literally threatening somebody to abide by your will.. when somebody comes up to you and asks to move lawn.. or they ask you to.. and you agree.. that is a form of contractual arrangement right there..
dang man.. did you hear anything d just said..?
s: now the problem w walmart.. i agree w you 100% .. but these issues have cropped up again because of statism.. govt’s that have or give co’s/corp’s a monopoly that make people’s lives a living hell.. i worked at walmart for 10 yrs.. that was all voluntary
1:08 – d: well.. you wouldn’t have done it if you didn’t have to.. it might have been that or something worse.. ie: these are my best options in an unfair situation.. that’s exactly the same thing if you have large property holders in a stateless society
spinach or rock ness
s: true daniel but i don’t blame that on property .. i blame that on the way that society has fleshed itself out under authoritarian
back to daniel’s comment at 56 min – authority came to protect property rights
s: the reason these corps/cos are allowed to take advantage isn’t because they own property.. it’s because they vy for govt for ability to be nasty to people and not have any consequences.. if consequences.. people would go to other co’s.. and not serfdom/slavery.. so we have to mitigate govt involvement w business.. a problem of statism.. problem w property will iron itself out w good business.. strong competition.. businesses who are good to people..
? what? good to people who have to go to work for money.. because they have to pay for property ness..? so actually.. businesses who are good to slaves
1:10 – s: this is already happening in tech sector.. micro entreprenuerialship where people are able to work for themselves now..?.. we’re already moving out of this situation where people are having to do like the 9-5
like micro financing in developing co’s has worked so well..?
like all the taxi drivers and farmers committing suicide..?
1:11 – s: i’m an ie of someone able to exit the system and move into crypto system.. w/o having to work 9-5
crypto is same system..
d: my deepest concern is it leaves behind so many people.. t
indeed.. has to be all of us
In August 2013, Pinchbeck became the host of Mind Shift, a new talk show, filmed in New York City, produced by Gaiam TV