jon udell

jon udell


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adding page because..


And that, my friends, is the Personal API –

Original Tweet:

w/in comment from Jim:

….I have to say the vision that continues to drive my own optimism and excitement around all this was best framed by Jon Udell in his talk The Disruptive Nature of Technology.” For him it is not so much about hyperbole and over-promising—the defining elements of my work—but about a simple set of negotiations and data sharing that should be in place but aren’t. He’s very practical about it all, and frames it in a way that makes you re-think how we handle data period.

from 2007?

4 min – i have been proposing an architecture to break lock jam – doesn’t exist.. can’t prove it will come to pass.. but i have a feeling it will… i started to call it:

hosted life bits

hosting life bits ness

life bits (gordon bell)

create archive of all his digital aspects… capturing digital log…interesting to all of us…harkens back to memex..

when i say hosted life bits .. very different.. – i say – lives in cloud… a repository of life’s work that exists in a place where it can participate in relation w/other people’s repositories and other people…

imagine.. hosted life bits – via self-talk et al

perhaps we simplyleave a trailself talk as data – in whatever form we choose that day. as the day.

i think it is a big business opportunity

perhaps why it hasn’t happened yet..? can’t be a big business opportunity..

if just school not that compelling….i believe we will get there.. but will have to be levels of service engineering.. ie: tech infrastrucutre… will it always be available..

scholar/academic publishing… how can we make citations work reliably in internet world.. digital object identifier… level away from url.. to provide level of indirection

very diff from what we have now in web 2.0 space..

even more interesting.. the business side.. want url’s to not only be persistant.. but be able to survive transfer of ownership of article.. to not just tech.. but ownership/business…

what does federation that’s going to make those guarantees look like (for suzy in grade school) – beyond a federation of schools… we want to get toward her record being portable and interoperable…

no businesses have that incentive.. ultimately.. we care about our own stuff more than anyone else does… we will be very happy to pay for some tiered level of service… to guarantee ie: future access to grandchildren..

exactly… and we don’t care about them bound up in others’ packaging..

we don’t have any kind of coherent system here for everybody..

perhaps – io dance ness – blockchain – or whatever – as it could be… organizing people (and leaving a trail) via whimsy… rather than insisting on ie: consensus toward a tag/credential/pkg .. or whatever

notion – what is personal publishing/archiving… always struck me how it’s such a natural fit for academic world.. yet few embracing it…

people kept saying.. don’t want to put out half baked ideas..

strikes me strange – i think – this notion of narrating life’s work… narrating your public agenda… i think it applies to *almost everyone… the notion of narrating one’s own story online.. we’re doing it anyway.. or if not.. it’s being done for us..

perhaps everyone…  in fact.. has to be everyone.. ie: www ness as entropy ness

this narrative thing.. really powerful.. how could any of us not have it… for many.. they say they don’t have time…

so – the need for as the day – a nother way… self talk as data..

no tech solution to – preventing a reputation attack.. but there is possibility of asserting the positive..self

true.. but also a tech solution to preventing, ie: gershenfeld something else law.. it’s all tied together.. why we haven’t gotten there yet… we’ve got to have free people .. all of us.. in order for it to work… and the key of now/today ness.. is that we can now technically facilitate that chaos..

where’s the message that says.. here’s how to do it right…no one’s modeling those behaviors..

need people free first.. and then.. the only model.. is in each heart.. back to howard and the ants.. stigmergy.. whimsy .. et al

we still haven’t gotten down to way i think things should be organized.. ie: blogs.. speak in your own space… from my perspective.. comment on another blog is a production of mine.. so.. every time i produce.. i produce into my stream..


no one else can measure and assess the scope of your contribution…

well – unless that’s part of the package deal we don’t need… want… measuring ness

the climate now is quite competitive.. so the offense defense thing is at play..

true.. the need to leap to a nother way

on laying out these positions/stories.. in a coherent way

true.. but perhaps no need to be coherent.. because.. ie: coherent to who..?

now he can come to the interveiw prepared..

ah… so that’s the thing..

perhaps we imagine a world w/o interviews..

on expanding the one of slack cutting…

and/or… paying attention to any of that less.. because:rev of everyday life

instead of focus on prevent.. what about – model a better way… not rules of behavior.. but modeling..

yes. graeber model law

if we have the will to assert that what’s tech feasible can happen…

i have to believe that at the  end of the day.. if there are more people who want to misuse.. we are screwed anyway.. but i don’t think that’s true.. i really do believe what we can/must do…… i don’t believe locking it down is going to work..

the behavior i would model.. i take seriously what my public identity is.. this consistent thing..

on privacy.. david bring’s book on transparecny – only being in bedroom at best..

ps in the open ness

on everyone needing to know cryptogorahy… i like to think .. we do know a lot of stuff

email protocol


the days of poverty are gone..? (commenter)

we can work together in profoundly new ways.. becasue network

small world network ness et al

we have yet to consolidate all the opporutnities.. and i blame us…

following the shiny..

seriously confronting.. how to talk about this stuff that will resonate to people.. i really want to reach those people and talk about this in a plain way.. it’s not all about the internet…

perhaps it’s not about talking either.. as you said earlier.. about modeling.. (short) ..  rev in reverse..


Jon and Gardner and Howard – “Thinking Like the Web”: A Conversation with Jon Udell – 2014:

5 min – jon: a word .. made up.. (hashtag).. to draw us together.. how profoundly diff that is..

6 min – howard: also very web like that hashtag was invented by twitter user.. not by twitter.. ie: wasn’t in mind of people who created platform…

9 min – jon: danger of losing things.. as we pkg things up

gardner: our complaints about lack of agility in collaborating.. yet .. holding back on tools we have


10 min – jon: in the end.. this is not something you can explain to people.. although that wikipedia screen cast i made… until you give people an experience that directly involves them… embed them in that world…it doesn’t really sink in. .. so that’s been my overriding challenge.. how to put people into the driver seat..

perhaps because we are embedded now.. in the pkdg deal.. (ie: school, supposed to’s, ..)

let’s do this firstfree art-ists.

for (blank)’s sake

a nother way

11 min – gardner – on community calendaring..

jon: i haven’t been able to scale out … putting people in the driver’s seat….. standards.. calendar structures..  those are sorts of literacies i would hope school would teach my kids.. that info can have structure..

could we be moving past this now..? standards.. not dumbing down… but allowing.. all the ways… d weinberger.. too big to know.. structure less ness.. so that we can now use ie: blockchain, deep address, .. let tech facilitate madness.. so that we can swim in ie: idiosyncratic jargon.. et al.. rather than ie: jumping through hoops to fit in somewhere..

15 min – howard: irony of people saying don’t have tech means.. is that what’s the web was originally offering..

17 min – jon: writing on web.. is colonizing own space on web…. on calendars… on how we keep adding same info in all spaces… rather than ie: coin in one space and we can all access.. web of small parts loosely connected – syndication…

21 min – gardner: infrastrucutre becomes a language

22 min – jon: still haven’t been able to convey the power of the tag

24 min – howard: stigmergy ness and ants… they are leaving little signals that reconfigure environment.. don’t need to look under hood

stigmergy ness

26 min – jon: on the natural language/human ness of the hood.. very organic

what if tech can free us from ie: the alphabet.. words.. et al

28 min – howard: writing on web.. distinction between audience, market, & public

33 min – gardner: what is happening when you use a social construct as language to communicate what you want … what is the experiential context of web literacy.. are there analogies to language (writing) we already know..

35 min – jon: on losing site of writing being major mode.. many don’t use that mode of expression.. for me..

37 min – howard: the word literacy a little misleading because it’s not just writing… all kinds of ways.. activities.. take your interest.. and use that the way the hashtag is ued to activate individuals and communities to help you…

39 min – jon: any body can share expertise.. so when you want to .. you should know how to..

so.. what if we make it simple enough.. for 7 bill people .. today..

42 min – jon: on awakening a grain of sand – such a powerful thing that it’s almost frightening….

43 min – howard: i don’t want to leave out the idea of curation.. if you’re interested in something.. if you share the results of your judgment.. you’re creating a public good useful to everyone else… if you want to establish yourself.. if you curate (the stuff you’re finding) – people interested in that will find their way to you… you are 1\ adding to commons 2\ drawing people to you…

44 min – jon: but only if you do that curation in public.. a lot of people are doing that privately..

so imagine 7 bill doing that.. everyday. as the day..

46 min – jon: i’m worried.. we’re back pedaling…

howard: critical uncertainty.. i think the cu today is whether sign portion of population will continue to understand what makers of web did.. that ie: we can do this… what’s dangerous is the threat of enclosure.. that you have to go to one of these org’s (nature of the enterprise) to share… rather than .. that you have agency.. you can create ie: hashtags… we need a greenspace.. to continue to invent… a generative web… has to be taken by people.. in own hands..

49 min – jon – on domain of one’s own… jim groom…  establish own web identities and colonize those spaces…

imagine we don’t wait till uni.. imagine we don’t spend our days in institutions… self talk as data.. as the day..

51 min – gardner – talking a cultural change

55 min – jon: cultural barriers – this question of assessment and eval.. why not just connect kids directly into wikipedia

indeed. that.

jon: we’ve got to eval way students are living in network… that’s hard.. id on’t pretend there’s an easy answer

perhaps… it’s not so hard.. perhaps the answer is to disengage from measuring/eval-ing.. why are these brilliant men… still assuming ie: uni, school, et al..

59 min – gardner: my fear is that if higher ed goes.. this space won’t exist anymore…

? unless higher ed dissolves into all of us.. as the day.. we’ll actually have more.. no? city as school/uni


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Jon Udell is a freelance journalist. From 2007 to 2014 he was “Evangelist” at Microsoft. Previously he was lead analyst for the Infoworld Test Center.

Udell is author of Practical Internet Groupware, published in 1999 by O’Reilly Media, and is an advisor to O’Reilly’s Safari Tech Books Online. He wrote the column “Tangled in the Threads” for from 1999–2002, and continues to be an active blogger. In this context he published a screencast illustrating how Wikipedia articles evolve, using Heavy metal umlaut as an example. A major focus of much of his writing is the question of how to enable non-experts to find data (often on the internet) and utilize in new ways.

He created the LibraryLookup bookmarklet project, which makes it easier for people to discover if their local library has a copy of a given book. Jon is a graduate of both the University of Michigan and Johns Hopkins.



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