michel on seed forms

michel on seed forms

Mut-Talk 10 with Michel: Seed forms of our common(s) future

85 min video/convo with  Ira Mollay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSXuli-Ql-w]:

5 min – on bike share and people stealing bikes.. so put tracker on so could tell where bikes were

just like thinking if we don’t use money to exchange ie: food/clothes/whatever that we would have people ‘stealing’ .. the root of the problem is that people aren’t themselves.. (ie: fittingness).. we don’t need tech for more sophisticated control.. what we need is tech that would help us get back to us.. (ie: back to filling maté basic needs).. so that we legit know what we want/need.. (ie: we know enough ness)..

the bigger issue is that we’re ‘stealing’ all the wrong things (things that don’t fulfill) and then spending all our days measuring and accounting and tagging bikes.. (ie: inspectors of inspectors) so to ensure that we ‘steal’ less

6 min – and now.. 1000 bike share.. permaculture.. all over world.. booming emergence of local .. tech.. what i call p2p.. then have to re invent arrangements based on equality.. forms of governance.. property.. decision making processes that take into account that we are in common project

yeah.. i see that as busy/irrelevant work.. if we could be brave enough to get the people legit free first

let’s do this firstfree art-ists.

for (blank)’s sake

a nother way

curiosity over decision making et ak

8 min – so many things can do w tech.. but not the tech.. but the desire to work together .. to produce value together

rather.. it’s the tech that now allows us to gather via daily curiosity.. rather than a desire to consent to a common project (produce value together).. huge diff

imagine if our focus was to listen to 8b hearts.. first thing everyday.. and trust that that non hierarchical listening can augment our interconnectedness.. and get us back/to an undisturbed ecosystem.. where even spending our time thinking of ‘how to produce value’ becomes irrelevant

10 min – tech can now go on distributed systems

indeed.. we’re just not letting go (distributing) enough

11 min – cosmo local production – today we spend 3x more transporting than making things

cosmo local ness

to 30ish – personal

to 40 – creating jobs.. having shareholders..

tragedy of the non common

44 min – ie: ghent as urban commons

50 min – on bringing all commons together..  on coops..

1:00 – a new narrative.. marriage between commons (ostrom) and capacitating people.. contributive income

ostrom 8

1:01commons is and extraordinary means to preserve resources.. but that’s not enough.. it’s only conserving.. the dynamic element has to come from somewhere else.. a story about empowerment

ie: cure ios city

i think a source will be commons projects.. once people realized they can do things together.. gives an enormous amount of energy

even more energy if the focus isn’t on doing things together.. but rather.. listening to each voice first.. and then using that data to bring people together.. to do the things they can’t not do.. everyday..  rather than gearing up (getting motivated) for some community project

1:02 – on extraction

which is what we do to people if we focus on group projects rather than daily curiosity of 8b people

1:03 – no fair level playing field for funding.. i’m for experimenting with that public funding..

let’s try/code money (any form of measuring/accounting) as the planned obsolescence

w/ubi as temp placebo.. needs met w/o money..people forget about measuring

1:18 – on reports he’s published..

1:22 – frankl – man’s search for meaning.. gives life energy

a story about people grokking what matters

1:23 – if (narrative/org) open to correct mistakes.. most integritous

indeed..  daily curiosity does that.. via 2 convers as infra.. everyday


hope seed forms work (i want something to work) .. but seeing them as part\ial.. so perpetuating tragedy of the non common

thinking restate/update 7.18.. et al



1\ undisturbed ecosystem (common\ing) can happen

2\ if we create a way to ground the chaos of 8b free people