sugata mitra – ted wish 2013
Sugata has been a huge influence on us – (8 pgs on blog) see below.
update from Sugata aug 2014:
oct 1 2014
groups interacting – with web that links (books couldn’t do that) perhaps no longer even need a guide on the side
self-ogranizing learning environment. guide on side becomes friend
the machine – a schooling system – producing a product for a long-gone master
2014 – school in the cloud click below to join and watch super video:
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interview may 2014:
interview by wise in dec 2013:
But huge.. he just won the 2013 TED wish.. bravo man. love.
And here in an interview right before he accepted it, he says:
Maybe the convergence of technology and curiosity will solve this problem.
spot on. (curiosity app)
here’s his talk that night, his wish/dream:
ed system is not broken, it’s wonderfully constructed, just – we don’t need it anymore.
the first time i heard those words, teach ourselves, used so casually.
click above for Sugata’s guide to setting up self-organized learning environments..
check out sole – higher ed – happening
link to his profile on TED below:
children will learn to do
what they want to learn to do
then education happens with self-supervised
access to the web
we could revolutionize
how we think
it’s pretty simple stuff…self-organizing systems
can’t we help Sugata do this in less time and with less money…?
i believe so…
- socrates… students were supposed to use their heads..
- all you need is a few young people and one old man..
- could it be that arithmetic is an obsolete skill..
- watch the learner…. if there’s no interest.. pay attention.. there’s something wrong
- humans love the box.. interesting and irrelevant
- when children are exposed.. in unsupervised groups
- great teaching method.. leave resources… and leave alone
- learners aren’t supposed to invent pedagogies.. but they did.. no?
- the method of the grandmother (mentor alongside) – just listen ..
- switch from the method of the mother to the method of the grandmother
- there came his granny cloud
control (my mind is flashing to colegacy video – what/why do we keep measuring? and worse – deciding what to measure)
- problem – if they can read, search, put facts together.. at what point should they believe..?
so – what if we start with the belief.. the why?
- Negropante – can children learn to read on their own.
- if the answer is yes.. then ed is turned on it’s head..
- answer to that question will lie the future of learning..
beyond hole in the wall – great read – his TED book
ah.. i knew negropante sounded familiar.. solve for x
- primary ed is the world’s biggest problem
- what you have to learn in primary ed is learning itself – and then becoming passionate about it
- so what can they learn by themselves
- again – if we can show they can teach themselves to read..
avoid the vagaries of child-centred behaviour.
interesting indeed. .. with Dale Stephens..
sole from youth perspective:
perhaps the using of the internet while taking of exams is a solution, unless.. the taking of the exams is seriously questioned all together.. (thinking Bunker Roy)
not quite sure what the author is saying…
seems to be saying – that what previous change – agents left out – collaboration.. Sugata is noting as vital..
so not sure of the correlation with being doomed to failure…
Sugata is one of idec 2013’s coffee talkers:
interview 2013 – from New Castle:
Sugata in Future of Learning documentary – by Ericsson:
8 min – education came from war
1. reading comprehension
2. search technique
3. how to believe – arms kids against doctrine
20 min version:
trailer to documentary on Sugata:
School in the Cloud report Feb 14
Published on Jan 28, 2014
A brief introduction to the School in the Cloud project.
talk at newcastle in 2010 (excellent overview of 12 years of Sugata’s research):
58 min –
curriculum: 1. reading comprehension 2. info/search analysis 3. rational belief
self-organising systems: where the system structure appears without explicit intervention from outside the system
everything is self-organizing system..
inside one – no need of outside intervention, w/o it , will produce emergence – the appearance of a property not previously observed as a functional characteristic of the function, it’s not supposed to happen, but it happens.
education is self-organizing system.. where learning is the emergence phenomenon
excellent interview aired may 2014:
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3rd video – at end – the most dangerous are the environments where we assume the teaching and learning is adequate…
4th video – how a school should be built, how a teacher should teach – is what is not being challeneged
But here’s the one question that I doubt many people will quote, and it’s potentially the most interesting one when it comes to the whole idea of if/when/how teachers will / might / should never be allowed to be replaced:
Are we not allowed to ask?
richshaw ie spot on.. what are we assuming…
7th video – our biggest mistake – control… but rather – embrace the edge of chaos
posted by Sugata on fb:
also – Sugata shared via facebook:
‘What we have noticed is that in the SOLE research phase if there is any teacher interference (or direction or coralling) the synergy is lost . We have read some practitioners who claim to be doing SOLE -have the teacher set up prescribed roles for students prior to the start of sessions !!!!!!!!!!! When Paul (another expert practitioner) read that his head nearly exploded.’ – Brett Millott of Melbourne.
Please, please take note….
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fitting… perhaps (partial freedom is no freedom):
2013 on npr – 10 min audio:
on pencils of promise and sole
oct 2014 – Sugata on ed/govt catching up:
Generation Tomorrow – Zeitgeist Europe 2013
we can be people again..
great talk for an abridged version of Sugata’s last 10-15 yrs .. nice
wondering if at 16 min – if we really need the questions…. and then – why the measuring… (if set free from measuring – each kid’s/person’s questions are where the energy/sustainability comes from)
19 min – cyber cafe for kids.. or what if – in the city ness… city as school.
and again – measure ?
teachers’ job to create the questions..?
will need alternate forms of energy –
may 2015 – Beyond the Hole in the Wall
used to be… if you wanted to solve a problem.. you needed to have knowledge in you.. just in case.. (couldn’t carry library with you like you can today).. now.. if you have a problem.. you can get to know info at point in time … just in time.. you need it..
need to change assessment system first..
perhaps to – self-assess…daily.. self-talk
per Sugata share on fb/twitter:
An incredible experience :
Also, finally, some evidence that reading comprehension is the limiting factor for SOLEs. Even then, year 3 took on an A level GCSE question! What brave children!
we need to look at almost our entire value system… we could misinterpret things.. ie: teenagers staring at phones… previous generation could think of this as wasting time.. but opposite… learning continuously….
7 min – you need each other.. internet is a medium.. internet together with friends… all you need to become a productive person…8 min – no single answer (productivity) .. basic skills we all need.. 1\communicate .. means to read.. but not only thing.. also comprehend.. from pictures/media/audio/sift.. diff from reading: we’ve left that to children to handle themselves.. ie: how to protect self.. ie: crap detections… writing: now machines can do most of from before.. so need wider writing.. ie: communication.. diff kinds of media.. subsume reading into comprehension and writing into communication and numeracy into computing.. then i think you’ve got the new schooling…11 min – we don’t need to abandon subjects in school… that’s too heavy handed.. ie: don’t abandon physics.. but.. how much physics…need to be able to access/use/understand newton’s law in a few seconds..
12 min – school may not look very diff..but what happens inside will have to change considerably.. not a very intellectually difficult change.. drive system w questions… de emphasize word teaching and emphasize word learning..
look at curriculum.. weed out bits we don’t need.. take rest… convert not into learning materials… but into interesting questions.. leave for children to figure out…ability to know things when they need to know things.. and do that quickly.. to prepare for that future.. i think this is the best we can do..
16 min – system driven by big questions.. and format is a sole.. if science teacher is absent.. just give her a call and ask what big question was.. give children question and wait for answer…
18 min – 5-6 yrs working with self organizing and finishing curriculum… that’s a genuine pressure.. no getting away from it.. true that sole can be slower.. however. there are sole sessions where half a semesters work gets done in one hour
20 min – old system not going away any time soon.
21 min – teacher saying.. can’t believe it.. just happening on self..
23 min – zero tolerance behavior – i’ve grown up in a school like that.. jesuit in new delhi.. i did it very meticulously.. better than to get beaten.. as i look back.. they could have done it differently.. ie: asked children.. how should you behave…
25 min – academize/charter… peculiar in u.s. … line .. children have to walk between two yellow lines.. rest of area for visitors.. charter instructed.. believing children should walk single file.. *should we leave school ed to whatever we think it should be.. when it comes to medicine.. we ask a dr.. but when children’s ed.. we as parents.. think .. i know how it should be done.. intention is good.. but execution not working out well..
29 min – bubble in the mouth.. how far it can go when people are left unconstrained..
30 min – do whatever testing you want.. just allow children to use internet during those tests
31 min – content.. don’t need prescribed content to be written down.. needs to reside on web.. (conference of 6000 teachers).. then got phone call.. org that produces text books.. ‘we found your lecture fascinating.. that one man is trying to take on a trillion dollar industry..’ from past… if change print size.. someone makes million dollars.. so i think textbooks aren’t leaving34 min – interviewer: on dan meyer on text books.. i suppose as long as you insist there should be a paper textbook that everyone must buy.. only way out is to supply sufficient web references.. so working on internet.. then everyone will be rich..35 min – reduction of teacher work load.. if teachers allowed to let the children learn on their own.. going next month to yorkshire.. to see if kids can create test as good as teacher.. i think in a years time teachers workloads will be halved
36 min – i want to mention one place.. school in the cloud in bangoli india.. remote.. here i found a child working alone.. others said… we don’t understand what he’s doing and he gets disturbed… he was writing a chat bot.. i learned by myself.. then i called a programmer in australia… was an old friend of mine.. i looked up your skype account and found him and called him and said i knew you.. in an hour.. he (my friend) brought him up to speed…39 min – not that every child changes from granny cloud.. but some childrens lives really change..
42 min – is directed instruction ever needed.. yes.. depends on what you want the learner to do..
44 min – best think i learned from a child: bad people fight… was asking them in war time.. which people are bad.. they said both are bad…
In India, I found two illiterate people texting each other. They had invented a language for themselves which you and I would not understand. I wonder: are there such things as illiterates at all? Yes, if we give them an examination on grammar, but maybe we’ve got the definition wrong and there’s a new literacy that we’re unaware of.[..]The status of reading, writing and arithmetic as fundamental skills – that, too, must be questioned, Mitra argues. Though “not usually a particularly aggressive fellow”, he has become aggressive about this, he says. “I can find on my phone a piece of Japanese and the phone will read it to me in English. So can I read Japanese? No. But if you imagine me and my phone as a single entity, yes. Very soon, asking somebody to read without their phone will be like telling them to read without their glasses.”[..]But Mitra seems to argue – it can be hard to tell whether he’s exaggerating for dramatic effect – that we should transform the whole basis of schooling. And to convince us of that, I fear, he needs far better evidence than he has or seems likely to get.
Sugata Mitra (@Sugatam) tweeted at 4:31 AM – 15 Sep 2016 :
In case you havent seen this: https://t.co/wqegPnG1Sf (http://twitter.com/Sugatam/status/776367822427619328?s=17)
@SugatamThis started today. More later…. fb.me/QNhGaPXCProf Sugata Mitra is opening the smallest School in the Cloud research lab in India this week.[..]
Dasghara has a special place in Prof Mitra’s own family history, as it is located near his mother’s ancestral home and the lab is in a school that was originally funded by his grand uncle aunt.
“This was a chance to use all that we learned building the other labs,” explains Prof Mitra, who is director of SOLE Central at Newcastle University, the global hub for SOLE research and practice. “The fact that people knew who I was and my family was a huge advantage – I didn’t need to build up that trust with local people as I already had it, so they were happy to just leave me to it.”
Sugata Mitra (@Sugatam) tweeted at 6:40 AM on Wed, Mar 29, 2017:
Huffington Post interview: https://t.co/EXTEkEts9G
(https://twitter.com/Sugatam/status/847065902910713859?s=03)I wish there were a synopsis below the talk, which I could read if I can’t watch it.
If you were to ask me today, “Do you know what the new system has to be like?” to be very honest, I would say “no.” I would say, “I know some things about what’s wrong with the existing system. I know some things about how we might correct those things. But do I have a unified future scenario in my mind? I don’t, and I don’t know if others do either.”
But what will shape our destiny, as a species, more than anything is the fact that we represent a network of billions together.
The TED Talk that’s missing is “Do we need an education anymore?”