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Sugata has been a huge influence on us – (8 pgs on blog) see below.


update from Sugata aug 2014:


oct 1 2014

via Graham Brown-Martin‘s learning re-imagined interview series/book:

groups interacting – with web that links (books couldn’t do that) perhaps no longer even need a guide on the side

self-ogranizing learning environment. guide on side becomes friend

the machine – a schooling system – producing a product for a long-gone master


2014 – school in the cloud click below to join and watch super video:

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interview may 2014:

recent interview sugata


interview by wise in dec 2013:


But huge.. he just won the 2013 TED wish.. bravo man. love.

And here in an interview right before he accepted it, he says:

Maybe the convergence of technology and curiosity will solve this problem.

spot on. (curiosity app)

ted prize

here’s his talk that night, his wish/dream:

ed system is not broken, it’s wonderfully constructed, just – we don’t need it anymore.

the first time i heard those words, teach ourselves, used so casually.

salute learning

self-organized learning…


sole by sugata

click above for Sugata’s guide to setting up self-organized learning environments..

and Suneeta‘s previous and ongoing work with soles and somes


check out sole – higher ed – happening


sugata mitra hole

link to his profile on TED below:

sugata on ted


sugata mitra

revisiting the hole in the wall at ted 2010
children will learn to do
what they want to learn to do
if children have interest 
then education happens with self-supervised 
access to the web 
we could revolutionize 
how we think 
about teaching

it’s pretty simple stuff…self-organizing systems

can’t we help Sugata do this in less time and with less money…?
i believe so


sugata mitra

  • socrates… students were supposed to use their heads..
  • all you need is a few young people and one old man..
  • could it be that arithmetic is an obsolete skill..
  • watch the learner…. if there’s no interest.. pay attention.. there’s something wrong
  • humans love the box.. interesting and irrelevant
  • when children are exposed.. in unsupervised groups
  • great teaching method.. leave resources… and leave alone
  • learners aren’t supposed to invent pedagogies.. but they did.. no?
  • the method of the grandmother (mentor alongside) – just listen ..
  • switch from the method of the mother to the method of the grandmother
  • there came his granny cloud
  • granny cloud

control (my mind is flashing to colegacy video – what/why do we keep measuring? and worse – deciding what to measure)

  • problem – if they can read, search, put facts together.. at what point should they believe..?

so – what if we start with the belief.. the why?

  • Negropante – can children learn to read on their own.
  • if the answer is yes.. then ed is turned on it’s head..
  • answer to that question will lie the future of learning..

beyond hole in the wall – great read – his TED book 

ah.. i knew negropante sounded familiar.. solve for x

  • primary ed is the world’s biggest problem
  • what you have to learn in primary ed is learning itself – and then becoming passionate about it
  • so what can they learn by themselves
  • again – if we can show they can teach themselves to read..
when i asked amy if she thought kids needed to be taught to read..
she said.. peter gray

from – a mash-up of #unboxed thinking

teacher as facilitator as kids have the pleasure of finding things out..(feynman) (link to updated hole in the wall)

recent post on the failures of Sugata Mitra’s work.

avoid the vagaries of child-centred behaviour.

oh my.
failures.. not.
it’s a trail of finding outs

interesting indeed. ..  with Dale Stephens..


sole from youth perspective:


sugata mitra net for exams

perhaps the using of the internet while taking of exams is a solution, unless.. the taking of the exams is seriously questioned all together.. (thinking Bunker Roy)

sugata post on failure

not quite sure what the author is saying…

seems to be saying – that what previous change – agents left out – collaboration.. Sugata is noting as vital..

so not sure of the correlation with being doomed to failure…


Sugata is one of idec 2013’s coffee talkers:

idec 2013 coffee talkers


interview 2013 – from New Castle:

sugata's interview


Sugata in Future of Learning documentary – by Ericsson:

8 min – education came from war

1. reading comprehension

2. search technique

3. how to believe – arms kids against doctrine

20 min version:


radical new teaching method


trailer to documentary on Sugata:


profound work of Iwan, reaffirming Sugata’s premise – of the capability of children to learn what they want to learn. Iwan showing communities, designing/emerging spaces fitting to themselves..


cnn 10


School in the Cloud report Feb 14

Published on Jan 28, 2014

A brief introduction to the School in the Cloud project.


talk at newcastle in 2010 (excellent overview of 12 years of Sugata’s research):

sugata in 2010
31 min – the learners had invented their own pedagogy…
32 min – when learners have interest – education happens..

58 min –

curriculum:  1. reading comprehension 2. info/search analysis  3. rational belief

self-organising systems: where the system structure appears without explicit intervention from outside the system

everything is self-organizing system..

inside one – no need of outside intervention, w/o it , will produce emergence – the appearance of a property not previously observed as a functional characteristic of the function, it’s not supposed to happen, but it happens.

education is self-organizing system.. where learning is the emergence phenomenon


excellent interview aired may 2014:

sugata interview may 1

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3rd video – at end – the most dangerous are the environments where we assume the teaching and learning is adequate…

4th video –  how a school should be built, how a teacher should teach – is what is not being challeneged

But here’s the one question that I doubt many people will quote, and it’s potentially the most interesting one when it comes to the whole idea of if/when/how teachers will / might / should never be allowed to be replaced:

Are we not allowed to ask?

richshaw ie spot on.. what are we assuming…

7th video – our biggest mistake – control… but rather – embrace the edge of chaos


posted by Sugata on fb:


aug 2014:

also – Sugata shared via facebook:

‘What we have noticed is that in the SOLE research phase if there is any teacher interference (or direction or coralling) the synergy is lost . We have read some practitioners who claim to be doing SOLE -have the teacher set up prescribed roles for students prior to the start of sessions !!!!!!!!!!! When Paul (another expert practitioner) read that his head nearly exploded.’ – Brett Millott of Melbourne.

Please, please take note….

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fitting… perhaps (partial freedom is no freedom):

control is failure


2013 on npr – 10 min audio:


sept 2014:


oct 2014:

on pencils of promise and sole


oct 2014 – Sugata on ed/govt catching up:


Generation Tomorrow – Zeitgeist Europe 2013

we can be people again..

great talk for an abridged version of Sugata’s last 10-15 yrs ..  nice

wondering if at 16 min – if we really need the questions….  and then – why the measuring… (if set free from measuring – each kid’s/person’s questions are where the energy/sustainability comes from)

19 min – cyber cafe for kids.. or what if – in the city ness… city as school.

and again – measure ?

teachers’ job to create the questions..?

will need alternate forms of energy –


may 2015 – Beyond the Hole in the Wall

used to be… if you wanted to solve a problem.. you needed to have knowledge in you.. just in case.. (couldn’t carry library with you like you can today).. now.. if you have a problem.. you can get to know info at point in time … just in time.. you need it..

need to change assessment system first..

perhaps to  – self-assess…daily.. self-talk

nov 2015

per Sugata share on fb/twitter:

An incredible experience :
Also, finally, some evidence that reading comprehension is the limiting factor for SOLEs. Even then, year 3 took on an A level GCSE question! What brave children!

sounds like imp from 1989ish
now imagine if we don’t start with the question.. and trust kids (all people) to do that as well..
leapfrog to trust.. ness
april 2016
we need to look at almost our entire value system… we could misinterpret things.. ie: teenagers staring at phones… previous generation could think of this as wasting time.. but opposite… learning continuously….
may 2016 – interview
via sugata on fb
I hesitate to post this. It’s one hour long! Listen to bits please if you can tolerate it….

7 min – you need each other.. internet is a medium.. internet together with friends… all you need to become a productive person…
8 min – no single answer (productivity) .. basic skills we all need.. 1\communicate .. means to read.. but not only thing.. also comprehend.. from pictures/media/audio/sift.. diff from reading: we’ve left that to children to handle themselves.. ie: how to protect self.. ie: crap detections… writing: now machines can do most of from before.. so need wider writing.. ie: communication.. diff kinds of media.. subsume reading into comprehension and writing into communication and numeracy into computing.. then i think you’ve got the new schooling…
11 min – we don’t need to abandon subjects in school… that’s too heavy handed.. ie: don’t abandon physics.. but.. how much physics…need to be able to access/use/understand newton’s law in a few seconds..
12 min – school may not look very diff..but what happens inside will have to change considerably.. not a very intellectually difficult change.. drive system w questions… de emphasize word teaching and emphasize word learning..
perhaps let’s go way diff.. in the city.. as the day..

a nother way

ie: hosting life bits via self talk as data
look at curriculum.. weed out bits we don’t need.. take rest… convert not into learning materials… but into interesting questions.. leave for children to figure out…
ability to know things when they need to know things.. and do that quickly.. to prepare for that future.. i think this is the best we can do..
perhaps. but i’m thinking we’d do better to use tech to facilitate the chaos/connections of 7 billion people following their whimsy..
16 min – system driven by big questions.. and format is a sole.. if science teacher is absent.. just give her a call and ask what big question was.. give children question and wait for answer…
why can’t question come from within.. everyday.. ie: 7 bill curiosities as driver.. new everyday..
18 min – 5-6 yrs working with self organizing and finishing curriculum… that’s a genuine pressure.. no getting away from it.. true that sole can be slower.. however. there are sole sessions where half a semesters work gets done in one hour
whoa.. this is great advice/thinking.. for say 10-20 years ago.. not for today. not for what we can do today. science of people in schools.. keeping us from us..
20 min – old system not going away any time soon.
that’s totally up to us.. and .. we’re dying in the process of.. not any time soon ness
21 min – teacher saying.. can’t believe it.. just happening on self..
imagine.. if we didn’t insist on common daily question.. rather.. brought together people by their individual daily curiosity.. to answer same question.. they each are dying to know
23 min – zero tolerance behavior – i’ve grown up in a school like that.. jesuit in new delhi.. i did it very meticulously.. better than to get beaten.. as i look back.. they could have done it differently.. ie: asked children.. how should you behave…
or again.. not put them in unnatural environment in first place.. and let them play their way to the answers… to ways of being..
25 min – academize/charter… peculiar in u.s. … line .. children have to walk between two yellow lines.. rest of area for visitors.. charter instructed.. believing children should walk single file.. *should we leave school ed to whatever we think it should be.. when it comes to medicine.. we ask a dr.. but when children’s ed.. we as parents.. think .. i know how it should be done.. intention is good.. but execution not working out well..
oy – we should disengage from school…
29 min – bubble in the mouth.. how far it can go when people are left unconstrained..
not unconstrained.. if we’re not us in the first place.. ie: who said we have to come together in a space for the entire day.. to do supposed to’s and get along
30 min – do whatever testing you want.. just allow children to use internet during those tests
oy.. wasting time.. have you seen how that works.. test questions are ridiculous.. grading is toward one answer.. that you have to find.. but once on web.. find out … there’s never just one answer..
31 min – content.. don’t need prescribed content to be written down.. needs to reside on web.. (conference of 6000 teachers).. then got phone call.. org that produces text books.. ‘we found your lecture fascinating.. that one man is trying to take on a trillion dollar industry..’   from past… if change print size.. someone makes million dollars.. so i think textbooks aren’t leaving
34 min – interviewer: on dan meyer on text books.. i suppose as long as you insist there should be a paper textbook that everyone must buy.. only way out is to supply sufficient web references.. so working on internet.. then everyone will be rich..
35 min – reduction of teacher work load.. if teachers allowed to let the children learn on their own.. going next month to yorkshire.. to see if kids can create test as good as teacher.. i think in a years time teachers workloads will be halved
36 min – i want to mention one place.. school in the cloud in bangoli india.. remote.. here i found a child working alone.. others said… we don’t understand what he’s doing and he gets disturbed… he was writing a chat bot.. i learned by myself.. then i called a programmer in australia… was an old friend of mine.. i looked up your skype account and found him and called him and said i knew you.. in an hour.. he (my friend) brought him up to speed…
39 min – not that every child changes from granny cloud.. but some childrens lives really change..
we need and can now practice.. a system for the day..
42 min – is directed instruction ever needed.. yes.. depends on what you want the learner to do..
ie: if it’s something they have no interest in.. or if they are so toxicated to no longer have free curiosities… and think they need direction
44 min – best think i learned from a child: bad people fight… was asking them in war time.. which people are bad.. they said both are bad…
june 2016
In India, I found two illiterate people texting each other. They had invented a language for themselves which you and I would not understand. I wonder: are there such things as illiterates at all? Yes, if we give them an examination on grammar, but maybe we’ve got the definition wrong and there’s a new literacy that we’re unaware of.
The status of reading, writing and arithmetic as fundamental skills – that, too, must be questioned, Mitra argues. Though “not usually a particularly aggressive fellow”, he has become aggressive about this, he says. “I can find on my phone a piece of Japanese and the phone will read it to me in English. So can I read Japanese? No. But if you imagine me and my phone as a single entity, yes. Very soon, asking somebody to read without their phone will be like telling them to read without their glasses.”
But Mitra seems to argue – it can be hard to tell whether he’s exaggerating for dramatic effect – that we should transform the whole basis of schooling. And to convince us of that, I fear, he needs far better evidence than he has or seems likely to get.
right.. because evidence ness is boding us so well now..

Sugata Mitra (@Sugatam) tweeted at 4:31 AM – 15 Sep 2016 :

In case you havent seen this: (

i think you’d like what i’m working on S
This started today. More later….
Prof Sugata Mitra is opening the smallest School in the Cloud research lab in India this week.

Dasghara has a special place in Prof Mitra’s own family history, as it is located near his mother’s ancestral home and the lab is in a school that was originally funded by his grand uncle aunt.

“This was a chance to use all that we learned building the other labs,” explains Prof Mitra, who is director of SOLE Central at Newcastle University, the global hub for SOLE research and practice. “The fact that people knew who I was and my family was a huge advantage – I didn’t need to build up that trust with local people as I already had it, so they were happy to just leave me to it.”

could say am doing similar – hometown.. combining all previous findings..
Sugata Mitra (@Sugatam) tweeted at 6:40 AM on Wed, Mar 29, 2017:
Huffington Post interview:
I wish there were a synopsis below the talk, which I could read if I can’t watch it.
you know most have transcript button
If you were to ask me today, “Do you know what the new system has to be like?” to be very honest, I would say “no.” I would say, “I know some things about what’s wrong with the existing system. I know some things about how we might correct those things. But do I have a unified future scenario in my mind? I don’t, and I don’t know if others do either.”
i think i might..
a nother way
But what will shape our destiny, as a species, more than anything is the fact that we represent a network of billions together.
hosting-life-bits that io dance..
The TED Talk that’s missing is “Do we need an education anymore?”
oct 2017 – write up of bhutan and self org

Standardized testing continues to haunt the educational system!

Original Tweet:

@suneeta Someone needs to invent an alternative assessment system. Can’t do away with assessment….

Original Tweet:

why not..? what’s its purpose..?

@monk51295 @suneeta To find out what children are good at.

To find out the effectiveness of schools and homes.

Original Tweet:

so i’m wondering..

what’s the purpose of finding out what children are good at..?

and who’s deciding/defining what effectiveness is..?

i think we will forever compromise the energy from alive people if we don’t let go of control (ie: defining effectiveness for other people)

today we have the means to facil daily self-talk (2 convos as infra – alt assessment system if you like) for 7 bn plus people.. all about listening rather than directing.. as it could be

ScooNews Special issue dedicated to Prof. Sugata Mitra – 2018

article on olpc 2018

Kwan Tuck Soon (@tucksoon) tweeted at 5:00 AM – 20 Apr 2018 :

OLPC’s $100 laptop was going to change the world — then it all went wrong via @verge

Mitra’s vision was more minimalist than OLPC’s, but both projects were almost totally focused on distributing computers. Kids’ natural curiosity was supposed to do the rest.

curiosity can do the rest.. if.. we consider all of us kids.. (has to be all of us to work) and.. if we use the device to listen to and then facil that curiosity.. ie:  2 convos

as it could be..

ie: hlb via 2 convos that io dance.. as the day..[aka: not part\ial.. for (blank)’s sake…]..  a nother way

nicholas.. sugata

And even today, co-founder Mary Lou Jepsen believes that laptops are vital for education. “Better teacher training only can get you so far when many of the teachers paid to show up don’t and many more are illiterate. Giving children access to information enables them to keep learning, to keep asking ‘why’ and ‘why not.’”

access to info is great.. connecting them to tribe and self.. deeper solution

mary lou


Lydia Lymperis (@LydiaLymperis) tweeted at 1:19 PM on Fri, Apr 12, 2019:
Is knowing obsolete?
Are schools outdated?
Are our education systems mass-producing cogs for Victorian-era bureaucratic systems that no longer exist?
Big Questions from a man who elevated the #education discourse.
Happy retirement @Sugatam! Here’s to another dent in the universe!


the open window


fb post apr 20 2023:

A suggestion for the future of AI, particularly, GPT design:
With the current global interest in Generative Pre-trained Transformers (GPTs) and GPT-4 in particular, I thought I would look at how GPTs work and why they tell lies and hallucinate, as pointed out by so many people.
I think the answer lies in psychology and not in the maths of software design. A GPT, in the language of Freud, is an Id. What it lacks are a subconscious, an Ego and a Superego.
The technology of Transformers is fairly simple to understand. It is brilliant and elegant. What it says, effectively, is that spelling, grammar and large parts of linguistics are obsolete. Given a large amount of existing text, it is possible to build ‘token vectors’ that contain all the linguistic rules implicitly, for any language. As we know, GPTs produce clear, grammatically correct and, original text.
Humans lie and hallucinate, but we can control our ‘outputs’ using a Id-Ego-Superego mechanism that Frued described so brilliantly, almost 100 years ago.
Chat GPTs use ‘Multi-head self-attention’ to create contextual and creative text. *This means they look at what was said before and what it is saying, without judgement.They have no filters to ‘tune’ the output text to be correct and real for the reader.
I am writing an article about how three additional filters can be created that can take care of most of the problems with the current GPTs. Hope it will get published somewhere

*this is what we need.. ie: tech w/o judgment