michel on telling people what to do ness
michel bauwens on people telling other people what to do ness
via reply tweet [https://x.com/mbauwens/status/1954785970655736188]:
measuring/accounting does not mean ‘telling people what to do’, but in a open source context, means: giving the people the freedom to self-coordinate. You can’t maintain any complex society without any comparative value measure, but of course, you can do it in small trusted communities where the inequality of exchange doesn’t matter.
to me..
if there is measuring/accounting.. someone is determining and carrying out the metrics..so essentially telling someone else what to do.. maybe ‘freer’ seeming.. but not legit free.. not as it could be today
via tweet reply to the above [https://x.com/evaninsky/status/1954847602253398195]:
Can each bioregion determine their own metrics ?? Can similar units of account trade across bioregions ?
my reply: to me.. it’s the metric ness that is a cancerous distraction.. so you’d just be recreating what we already have (the cancer) on a smaller scale
another reply [https://x.com/evaninsky/status/1954852424310542518]:
Are you assuming the metric is a form of money? All money is currency, But not all currency is money. Can the metric be a CurrentSee… a CURRENT you can SEE ?
my reply: i don’t think so .. from what i’ve seen.. even a raised eyebrow compromises the potential for the dance we’re seeking (aka: all people free)
another reply [https://x.com/evaninsky/status/1954853318041231579]:
ie: can the metric be acts of kindness? or earned reputation ?
my reply: yeah.. i don’t think so.. reputation ness et al.. forms of people telling other people what to do
another reply [https://x.com/evaninsky/status/1954855691270713734]:
That’s where we differ. We informally trade against those currentsees all the time. We simply lack the accounting.
my reply: yeah.. to me.. the ‘informal trade’ we do all the time.. is a symptom of all the measuring/accounting we’ve done.. since forever.. so to me.. need a means for global detox leap
another reply [https://x.com/evaninsky/status/1954857245214126182]:
Indeed. I keep a record of the ‘givers’ and the ‘takers’ in my life.
my reply: like.. yeah that.. tit for tat ness et al.. even in the most seemingly loving/kind/caring ness.. graeber violence in care law.. steiner care to oppression law.. et al.. need a means beyond perpetuating survival triage.. life over survival ness et al
another reply [https://x.com/evaninsky/status/1954859048001495429]:
It’s an accounting of the currents I see using metrics I’ve chosen.
my reply: yeah.. to me.. we need global detox from that.. otherwise we’ll keep perpetuating the whac-a-mole-ing ness of not-us ness.. of myth of tragedy and lord ness.. which all keep keeping us from stopping at enough ness (graeber stop at enough law; garden-enough;..)
last reply [https://x.com/evaninsky/status/1954867677966573936]:
We treasure what we measure, So measure what you treasure.
no reply from me.. to me that whalespeak.. again.. need global detox from that
back to michel’s reply:
‘comparative value measure’ is what makes ‘complex society’ ness unsustainable..
*what we need is means for that ‘trust’ in ‘small community’ ness (local ness) to be allowed/facil’d/whatever in ‘complex society’ ness (cosmo ness)
ie: tech as nonjudgmental exponential labeling to facil the seeming chaos of *that global detox leap/dance.. for (blank)’s sake..
the thing we’ve not yet tried/seen: the unconditional part of left to own devices ness
[‘in an undisturbed ecosystem ..the individual left to its own devices.. serves the whole’ –dana meadows]
ie: whatever for a year.. a legit sabbatical ish transition
otherwise.. not getting to the root of problem
legit freedom will only happen if it’s all of us.. and in order to be all of us.. has to be sans any form of measuring, accounting, people telling other people what to do
people can’t grok/see/hear/org around legit needs w/o that unconditionality and we won’t get to stop at enough ness (graeber stop at enough law.. garden-enough.. et al) until we org around legit needs
ie: org around a problem deep enough (aka: org around legit needs) to resonate w/8b today.. via a mechanism simple enough (aka: tech as it could be) to be accessible/usable to 8b today.. and an ecosystem open enough (aka: sans any form of m\a\p) to set/keep 8b legit free
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findings from on the ground ness:
1\ undisturbed ecosystem (common\ing) can happen
2\ if we create a way to facil the seeming chaos of 8b legit free people
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be you. 