adding page this day
arthur: we need to build some healthier patterns
eric: the primary thing we’re trying to create w holochain is a uncloseable carrier for doing communication interaction
jean: why do we want a decentralized internet..? because we want agency, autonomy, security.. those 3 things are really important and we’re losing that today
arthur: blockchain.. is also burning the planet.. and repeating all these things they were claiming to fix.. but the claims.. the goals were good
maybe.. i’m thinking not deep enough.. if we want healthy planet.. healthy people.. we need to disengage from measuring transactions..
arthur: holochain.. for solving similar problems.. but w/o bottlenecks.. et al
what if the bottlenecks aren’t the problem.. what if the problem is.. we’re trying to solve the wrong problem..
ie: not about security.. about antifragility..
jean: holo is a bridge to mainstream audience.. so everybody can participate in the new internet
arthur: you get paid for providing the hosting services
eric: you get these applications that are human centric as opposed to money centric.. which is what i think they are right now
what you’re proposing sounds like a nicer (than blockchain) nicer (than bitcoin) nicer .. version of the same thing.. ie: people wanting change.. but not going deep enough.. not letting go enough to say.. good bye cycle..
arthur: hold things together.. make sure everyone is following the rules.. to have an immune system ..to *kick out bad actors.. natural systems the way our body does this w **cells.. i think it’s going to be a ***bigger game changer than we can imagine
dang.. you guys are so lovely.. i wish we could talk
via Jon fb share from april 2018 [https://medium.com/holochain/beyond-democracy-increasing-the-capacity-context-and-combinatorial-possibilities-7eebdd4ad079]
Beyond Democracy: Increasing the Capacity, Context, and Combinatorial Possibilities
We are doing a5 part series on how Holochain can save democracy. This is the finale! ..This final piece moves beyond democracy as it has been and makes the case for a vision of democracy that is only now becoming possible.
just like the gift economy, consensus has only historically worked in small groups. Blockchain made “consensus” scalable for a very specific outcome: a shared ledger tracking coins. (And what they really mean by consensus is a single version of reality, perspectivism. What holochain offers is *aperspectivism.)
*the community becomes able to manipulate a complex object that none of the member can individually grasp..
Democracy is deeply related to a pyramidal form of intelligence. ..as society scales, it becomes more challenging to coordinate activity, so we used pyramidal design —
In democracy, it is about most of the people having a say by having a representative work on their behalf, and up the pyramid by location (city, county, state, nation).
Back in the original collective intelligence of tribal communities, we had holopticism where everyone participates as part of a feedback loop of the whole. Holomidal instead of pyramidal, where, together, we sensed the whole. This isn’t just voting or even decision-making, this is about an embodied integral experience of sensing together. In the original collective intelligence there is co-creation and connectedness, even in a changing environment. We need less democratic debate in this form because holoptical clarity shapes individual actions.
Pyramidal intelligence did help us scale, we were able to interact with many more people in coordinated fashion, but we did so by centralizing authority. And with that, we lost much of the co-sensing and the dimensionality of our experiences (decision making became about information and intellect primarily). We took information rich environments and turned them into yes/no options.
When we shift from platforms with data-centric architecture to an agent-centric architecture, then you can express what you want and it can populate any of the spaces you want to share in. More than that it shifts us closer to an pull-centric architecture, where I draw in the communications I want rather than having them pushed at me by others who control the silo I speak within.
begs we are detoxed as well.. from all the previous pushing/coercing/manufacturing ness
and then begs we start everyday with that internal itch/curiosity.. ie: cure ios city