bollier on commons econ

(86 min video) dec 2201 – New Economy X Kees Klomp #5: THRIVE: Commons Economics

david bollier on commons (common\ing) econ (oikos)

kees klomp: [@kees_klomp_] CoFounder @InstituteThrive. Reinventing economics & business. Professor of applied science @hsrotterdam. Eco-Anarchist. I own my opinions netherlands

shinta oosterwaal: [] author, uneconomist, therapist


Our @DavidBollier and @NatashaHulst joined a discussion of commoning as a means of economic change via @De_Zwijger

Original Tweet:


kees: i really think commoning and commons are crutially/fundamentally to heal the divide between capital and labor.. and i think there’s a lot of sense to recreate.. and i think commons is showing way to do it .. martha beck intros dissolution (*dissolve power structures) rather than revolution (attempt to overthrow power structures).. and i think commons is all about that .. so viva la dissolution

yeah.. a means to make all the things we keep spending our energies on become irrelevant s.. rather than fighting, refusing, defending, us & them ing, et al

2 min – (shinta oosterwaal): kees you and me wrote a book.. fundamentals for a new econ and we asked david bollier to co create a chapter about commoning with us

david bollier.. common\ing

kees: david’s books are great ie’s of practice based theory.. fan of his work

4 min – david (10 min vision of commoning): what we need to be thinking about as we try to reconceptualize the econ.. how the commons can help us reconceptualize the social relationships otherwise know as the econ and build a diff regime of value

why regime?

graeber values law et al

david: we need to approach commons as commoning (verb).. key to how commons actually working.. social processes and not a resource alone.. econs and politicians generally regard commons as unowned and potential sharable resources.. ie: space, oceans, internet.. and they assume it would be destroyed in a tragedy of the commons unless there is govt stepping in to manage the resource

5 min – david: presumption is that market/state are the only significant sources of production and govt.. but the state/market regularly misconstrue and ignore the commons.. which is why so many people see it as archaic or irrelevant today.. but during pandemic.. starting to see deficiencies/limits in start/market limits itself

starting to see? i get it but.. silly us

6 min – david: starting to see limits of an econ that by defn regards externalities as something that can be ignored.. but on finite planet there are no externalities.. so deep rooted system of thought we need to change

david: if history of commons shows anything it’s that commoning itself can be a highly stable and generative form of govt.. it’s value creating in its own right.. it just embodies a diff world view and mind set .. to be clear.. commoning is a set of activities (slide: a commons is not just a resource.. it’s a social system of commoning) and governance and rule making and self monitoring and traditions and rituals and so on thru which one makes a commons .. a commons *has to be created and maintained

oi.. man.. wish we could have a legit convo.. i see this as a deep issue for why we have not yet gotten to legit common\ing

all the red are huge red flags we’re doing it wrong.. summed up in *last 6 lines.. we need to let go of that control issue.. and all the takes a lot of work ness tied into it.. or we’ll never (like we have not yet) see the dance


1\ undisturbed ecosystem (common\ing) can happen

2\ if we create a way to ground the chaos of 8b legit free people

7 min – david: on book w silke.. realizing vocab not adequate.. we realized.. commons are actually living social systems.. how people come/stay together to act as stewards of shared wealth..

steward ness is messing with us..

ssilke helfrich.. free fair & alive

8 min – david: to see how humans see/think in a commons.. need an onto – logical (can’t find spelling.. his word) shift away from standard econ.. relationships over objects.. stand econ separates everything.. everything in commons is connected

9 min – david: the point is .. these are an alt system of value.. the story standard econ doesn’t tell..

10 min – commons are not just small scale projects on peripheries of market/state capitalism.. really a germinal vision for reinventing fundametal social premises of econ, govt, politics, org life, infra, and state power itself

yeah.. that’s same song.. just like steward ness above.. those are all terms of control.. of people telling other people what to do.. that’s why we’ve always been just perpetuating tragedy of the non common.. we haven’t yet let go enough.. to see what legit free people are like

11 min – david: it’s not a tragedy or a system of transactions among people for money .. it’s a generativity of living systems.. to talk about the commons is to enter into a post capitalist narrative.. that invites us to enact a diff ethics in politics

invited vs invented

15 min – david: new book commoner’s catalog for change making.. to show that breadth of livliness of commons projects around the world (earlier said.. meeting needs outside market/state)

not legit needs.. part\ial ness yeah.. but in order for legit common\ing.. in order for the dance to dance.. it needs to be all of us.. goes back to your ‘separate’ ness issue.. and how none of us are free if one of us is chained.. et al

18 min – david: on legal hacks to make your commons work now.. ie: license for free/open source software.. .. allowed sharing to proceed; creative commons; .. you need that legal guarantee for things to be shareable..

20 min – david: on steward ownership.. not treating it as a commodity.. don’t even regard it as a resource.. but rather as care wealth.. to apply a price to it is a category mistake.. it’s about protecting the long term viability in health.. important concept in the commons

22 min – david: a challenge we have .. emancipating ourselves from these hidden premises in our vocabs.. if we’re going see the world in a diff way..t

totally agree.. and i think we’re missing it.. (ie: this talk)

language as control/enclosure.. and the need to stop naming the colour.. and try a means for idiosyncratic jargon ness et al

kees: systems change really demands story change.. starts w the narrative .. words are crucially important

yeah.. i think we have that wrong.. i think we’ve been losing all our energy in debating words/stories/narratives/ history ness et al.. (graeber model law).. i think conditions for 8b people to be free is what is demanded.. in order for us to be legit free first. and then trust those 8b legit free people in whatever they do with that freedom

24 min – (others speaking about ie’s of ‘commoning’.. w david in background.. all still w/in money system)

40 min – david: i’m astonished how far these problems have gone.. points to real need for state for infra for finance and law so you don’t have to be a hero to make it happen.. make it more normal.. not have to invent everything

krishnamurti partial law.. but won’t be all of us with any form of m\a\p

42 min – kees: you need ie’s it’s all about ie’s

yeah.. again.. graeber model law.. but if our ie’s are perpetuating the idea that part\ial ness can work.. and keeps us from a legit global re\set.. leap.. we need a legit diff ie

60 min – woman’s ie saying no money involved.. then shares long list of needs

any form of m\a\p

1:18 – david: this opens up a huge new vista.. ie: animism.. taking eco relationships more seriously .. humans amidst that.. entangled life by merlin sheldrake.. how ecosystems have their own aliveness that has to be honored and we need to listen to that the way indigenous people did..t

need: a means to undo our hierarchical listening

holmgren indigenous law et al