michel on crypto

michel bauwens and @devlewis18 on cryptocurrency ness

@devlewis18: Fellow @digitalasiahub /host @lightforest0 podcast /co-founder @digicnx / Pagodian @pagoda Chiang Mai linktr.ee/devlewis

via michel bauwens tweet [https://x.com/mbauwens/status/1837006097221026240]:

* Podcast: Crypto as Cosmo-Localism

cryptocurrency ness and cosmo local ness.. michel on cosmo localism

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1VJInPngbfr6uiXLPwG59E

“Themes Covered:

* Historical perspective on how belief systems and worldviews interplay with civilisation-level system transitions.

* Crypto as a social elite in the creation of new open infrastructure and institutions.

* a Cosmolocal view on how crypto can play a role in the pulsation of the commons.”

(the second part, after 43:00 contains personal biographical details about the formative influences behind these ideas)

notes/quotes from 60 min podcast:

2 min – dev: michel believes crypto has an important role to play in structuring.. he is a fin researcher w chinese global commons.. chinese crypto professionals looking to promote/produce public goods.. also.. pop up cities.. building community for about 30 days and co lives/works together.. his role of teaching civ history

4 min – d: crypto world itself pretty large.. diff tribes.. michel and i .. largely the minority spaces interest in public goods, regen.. still niche small spaces.. crypto world itself distractive behavior.. 90% of crypto space/market..

5 min – d: role crypto can play w macro view.. need for new kind of consciousness if want to build this new cosmo local world.. nearly 1/2 of this convo goes into michel’s background..

7 min – convo starts

d: have this degradation of commons.. w/digi commons have opp.. maybe w crypto.. techno feudalism and infinite info resource.. seems challenging.. we have diff layers of seeing.. systems/institutions.. but perhaps most fundamental is belief systems.. values.. but still form w/o space where extractive behavior seen as part of our nature.. so how to shift.. have tech change.. but layer of being..

9 min – michel: complicated issue..

13 min – m: need to invent new consciousness so can interact/trust you that i don’t know.. (kinship lactates and protects) shows this happened before.. massive change in consciousness.. took time and was chaotic.. will need to happen again.. if we reach an experience where we can’t survive on our own.. will push us to change

15 min – m: what you can see when transition and chaos.. exodus.. if want to leave city.. where do you go.. so connection between exodus experimenting w new seed forms..

17 min – m: i look at crypto in similar way.. fleeing.. invent money we can use everywhere.. (as we flee from collapsing places).. so kind of like an exodus.. but selfish.. unsustainable.. if seen as parasite and degrade.. they’ll come after you

18 min – m: 2nd level.. connecting w locals.. w all skills i have as developer.. insert self in regen projects at local level and see how can help.. so have the somewheres and the anywheres and the everywheres (the cosmo locals).. so i’d like to see the elite.. those who know how to build these structures.. at service of the local.. a minority of people w/in crypto sphere which are doing this.. do’t know if they’re very efficient at doing it.. but significant that they are trying to do it.. completely diff

20 min m – m: from writing to accounting to alphabet to printing et al.. as way to create corps, double accounting..

21 min – m: i think crypto world.. similar phenom.. trans local capacity trying to create value circuit that works for them.. makes them independent.. healthy.. not to become a new exploitive elite.. but as part of transition.. the selfless (or did he say selfish?) capacity structure beyond market/space.. they created a world where we do open source.. 90% outside commodity form.. and now creating public goods in crypto.. co creating commons outside market/state.. i look at seed forms.. don’t complain that not perfect.. but see how we can make it better

is it really legit common\ing though.. if carrying over the cancerous distractions.. 10-day-care-center\ness

24 min – m: traditional societies had more insight into communal logic

25 min – m: and they kept the predatory aspect in check.. this is where michael hudson comes in..

no one has to date.. because haven’t yet tried the unconditional part of left to own devices ness.. so keep perpetuating khan filling the gaps law et al

27 mim – m: 1/3 of land is a commons.. for 2.5 yrs japan lived in stable state/environ

part\ial ness keeping us from the dance

29 min – d: perhaps tech as mirror of our own .. need to connect

perhaps we can have tech w/o judgment ie: tech as it could be

we need to let go of judge\ment (other-ing).. and realize our interconnectedness.. i know you ness

there’s a legit use of tech (nonjudgmental exponential labeling) to facil the seeming chaos of a global detox leap/dance.. the unconditional part of left-to-own-devices ness.. for (blank)’s sake.. and we’re missing it ie: a sabbatical ish transition

m: one element has to be present for me: solidarity

30 min – m: commons is counter.. as work together local.. expand to beyond.. but i don’t see how can interconnect w each other.. but maybe crypto is how this can work.. that people do have shared beliefs..t

ie: imagine if we listen to the itch-in-8b-souls 1st thing everyday & use that data to connect us (tech as it could be.. ai as augmenting interconnectedness via nonjudgmental expo labeling)

if want to get to ‘solidarity’ ness.. need to try the unconditional part of left to own devices ness.. ie: a sabbatical ish transition

32 min – m: need commons that creates transcendent impulse.. can work together.. even though diff views.. a social contract.. horizontal and vertical.. we need to find a new way.. people like john vervaeke.. fully sci/spiritual at same time.. re establishing how connected to people/nature..

john vervaeke

ie: need means (nonjudgmental expo labeling) to undo hierarchical listening as global detox so we can org around legit needs

35 min – m: can’t just go back to local ism and then start fighting w other (tribes).. localism alone is dangerous if don’t have a reason to corporate.. where are the people saying – all human beings.. very few.. (solidarity)

no us & them.. nationality: human ness

need global detox leap for that.. and so again.. need conditions to allow for the unconditional part of left to own devices ness

38 min – m: w commons trying to create a meta physical of abundance.. ie: apple trees w/o fences.. if don’t have apple can take from neighbors.. so can relax.. always be an apple.. market destroys abundance to create scarcity.. w commons can keep huge bunch of society free of that

has to be all.. no?

40 min – m: 70s first wave of this paradigm shifting.. didn’t have digital.. so have to rethink.. mark whiticare.. 130+ commodities.. so work on flows.. bioregions mapped out.. combine and send to smart phones.. context based sustainability.. so cities could manage the flows.. need more than prices to protect from destruction

still won’t flow until we org around legit needs.. until we get to graeber stop at enough law et al

all the other things are cancerous distractions until we focus on missing pieces first