yanis on addiction
Irvine Welsh and Yanis Varoufakis | ARE WE ALL ADDICTS NOW? | Podcast 9 – jun 2024 – 1 hr video – [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjmw363saHA]
via yanis varoufakis tweet [https://x.com/yanisvaroufakis/status/1800824571190468980]:
Irvine Welsh and Yanis Varoufakis: ARE WE ALL ADDICTS NOW?
addiction et al.. maté addiction law et al
notes/quotes:
15 min – [on how to connect decent and global] y: if demo want decent.. only way have control if can look in eyes of reps.. so has to be local.. then fuel that powers nationalism.. id have decent/demo-of-decision making.. you have demo of money..
oi.. both democratic admin and money\ness cancerous distractions.. any form of m\a\p.. finite set of choices of decision making is unmooring us.. oi
23 min – [on what resistance to state ness, free internet?] y: internet used to be c free zone.. was a commons for anyone who used it.. http is a language.. someone wrote it and didn’t get anything out of it.. it was a gift exchange.. it was a commons and was privatized..
to me.. not a commons unless it’s all of us.. berners-lee everyone law et al.. which we haven’t yet seen/tried
24 min – y: that privatization of internet spawned cloud capital.. machinery.. 1st kind of capital whose purpose wasn’t to produce something else but to modify our behavior.. modified on behalf of the owners of that cloud capital.. not a matter of simple taxing and redistributing..
yet.. that has always been the way.. socrates supposed to law et al
26 min – idea is to reclaim the means of production.. also the means of communication.. the algos that operate on internet in order to mod our behavior and turn c into form of technofeudalism.. turbo charges all that .. makes c crisis look like a walk in the park.. makes the mind control
technofeudalism.. yanis on technofeudalism
29 min – raoul martinez: the more systems fail.. the more they profit from our disconnection.. and addiction becomes almost a perfect business model.. t
30 min – irvine welsh: yes.. everything is about addiction.. they’ve instituted something whereby our imaginations are filled and we can’t see an end to it.. easier to imagine end of humanity than end of c.. that’s the power these things now have over our consciousness.. internet used to be something that did stuff for us.. now do things to us.. you’re constantly given a set of instructions.. usually originated by corp/state.. internet has become this tool of oppression
31 min – i: on ins fraud.. no case studies on it.. at library easier than online.. and more pleasant.. i think internet has become massively aggressive.. wish i could throw away my phone.. healthier mentally the more off line
33 min – [relationship between addiction, c, ] y: no doubt the more tech tools those who have power have at their disposal to lure us into behavior of power in their interest.. the more we are addicted to those tools..
34 min – y: controlling people.. making people do things on your behalf was what politics was all about .. so that’s not new.. i think the system is a conspiracy.. but there are no conspirators.. the logic of capital.. capital is stupid like ai is.. doesn’t know what it’s doing.. no conspiracy there.. power of capital comes from w/o realizing it it enslaves both workers (putting food on table) and capitalists.. (thing that keeps capitalists up at night is going bankrupt).. so in end.. our relationship w tech makes all of us.. work daily in order to reproduce the machine/capitalism.. nobody is responsible.. everybody working for the machine.. this is why it’s essential to overthrow c to reclaim humanity
people telling other people what to do
38 min – y: even if own vw.. vw is facing extinction.. but bezos.. never.. everybody working for you.. that’s why i insist on not talking about c anymore.. the term technofeudalism is something new.. a concentration of power.. ie: bezos et al have a kind of power over us no one has had before
41 min – i: w so many in hunger et al.. why would you spend all that money going to moon.. concern for me w/tech it uses a kind of addiction loop to divorce people from the reality of their own existence
43 min – y: zuckerman.. starts fb as a patriarchal cynical drive to rate women.. now.. he gets high on idea that he has a *machine that harvests from each one of us our character.. sifts thru and gives this info to other conglomerates and govt.. t where assange does opp.. and someone like assange is dying in prison and zuck is living high
*need tech to ‘harvest’ itch-in-the-soul 1st thing everyday and simply use that data to connect us
45 min – i: the idea that spending your life in dark chamber to moon or underground et al.. this instinct for survival.. what kind of survival are we talking about.. we need a world that gives people opportunity/freedom.. this tech we’ve created has led to this mad fear of our own imaginations.. because it’s completely skewed toward profit and concentrated power of individuals..t we made these decisions in 80s that we don’t really know anything about.. uni of chicago.. friedman: ‘monopoly is a reward for efficiency’.. et al.. set up corps that have come to dominate
again.. already had that.. but yes.. tech sped it up exponentially.. need tech as nonjudgmental expo labeling aka: ai as augmenting interconnectedness
48 min – i have diff view.. i never bought the story that neolib created anything.. milton friedman considered a charlatan for most of his life.. neolib is neither new/liberal.. irrelevant.. a math cover to do whatever they wanted to do
(then he goes on to describe a diff timeline of – to me – a bunch more irrelevants)
51 min – r: friedman ‘there’s opp in crisis’.. from our perspective.. reason i was interested in telling your story yanis w the doc.. how to get beyond that
52 min – i: easy to mold people into low frequency fear.. *not engaging w anything significant.. to motivate people into change is much more difficult.. it **asks a lot of them.. when they’re trying to just get thru the day.. when you see things that are very energizing.. ***this is humanity at its best.. ie: gaza et al.. people getting out and .. kids.. ****having no alt but addiction..
**takes a lot of work as red flag we’re doing it/life wrong.. so let’s try something that doesn’t take a lot of work.. ie: a nother way
***re ness as cancerous distraction
****hari present in society law.. khan filling the gaps law
55 min – i: so everything is set up for addiction.. a kind of imprisonment.. a kind of incarceration.. we have to get to the point where we find a way to socialize this tech otherwise it’s going to keep doing its darker manifestation to humanity..t
there’s a legit use of tech (nonjudgmental expo labeling).. to facil a legit global detox leap.. for (blank)’s sake.. and we’re missing it
legit freedom will only happen if it’s all of us.. and in order to be all of us.. has to be sans any form of m\a\p
ie: imagine if we listened to the itch-in-8b-souls 1st thing everyday & used that data to connect us (tech as it could be.. ai as augmenting interconnectedness)
how we gather in a space is huge.. need to try spaces of permission where people have nothing to prove to facil curiosity over decision making.. because the finite set of choices of decision making is unmooring us.. keeping us from us.. ie: whatever for a year.. a legit sabbatical ish transition
y: you’re quite right.. esp these algos .. primed to addict us to poison.. that’s the new thing.. never been a substance before that addicted us to hate one another .. friedman and others.. not lost in some attention deficit disorder world like we are.. they were focused.. had millions to use.. and we don’t.. and we don’t
1:02 – r: irvine.. you speak of poverty of imagination.. opp of that is cultivation of imagination.. if there is hopie.. it’s going to be linked to expansion of imagination
again.. imagine if we listened to the itch-in-8b-souls 1st thing everyday & used that data to connect us
ie: whatever for a year.. a legit sabbatical ish transition
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