whatever clock

[image via david graeber‘s twitter pic.. story is below.. tweet linked to image above]


nuremberg clock

One of the most notable features of the church is the Männleinlaufen, a mechanical clock that commemorates the *Golden Bull of 1356.

*The Golden Bull of 1356 (German: Goldene Bulle, Latin: Bulla Aurea) was a decree issued by the Imperial Diet at Nuremberg and Metz (Diet of Metz (1356/57)) headed by the Emperor Charles IV which fixed, for a period of more than four hundred years, important aspects of the constitutional structure of the Holy Roman Empire. It was named the Golden Bull for the golden seal it carried [..] Besides regulating the election process, the chapters of the Golden Bull contained many minor decrees. For instance, it also defined the order of marching when the emperor was present, both with and without his insignia

The clock was installed in the church in 1506. The Holy Roman Emperor is shown seated with the prince-electors surrounding him.

The clock mechanism is activated at midday, when a bell is rung to start the sequence and is followed by the trumpeters and drummer. Then there is a procession of the electors around the figure of the Holy Roman Emperor.

running of men/boys – männleinlaufen


adding page while reading Erich Fromm‘s escape from freedom:


significant changes in the psychological atmosphere accompanied the economic development of capitalism. a spirit of restlessness began to pervade life toward the end of the middle ages. the concept of time in the modern sense began to develop. minutes became valuable; a symptom of this new sense of time is the fact that in nurnberg the clocks have been striking the quarter hours since the 16th cent..


too many holidays began to appear as a misfortune. time was so valuable that one felt one should never spend it for any purpose which was not useful.. work became increasingly a supreme value.. 

ie: we now celebrate (holidays for) fathers, black lives, children, the earth, whatever.. one day a year.. because we’re so busy w ie: work/school(seat time)/efficiency/supposed-to‘s.. the rest of the time/day

tweet while reading just now

Love humanity’s optimism (or sex drive). Couple making out on the floor of the airport at 6:00am. Love knows no time.

Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/gsiemens/status/988881259559452672

the idea of efficiency assumed the role of one of the highest moral virtues.. at the same time, the desire for wealth and material success became the all absorbing passion..

efficiency et al.. because.. now every minute must matter to commerce/power/hubris


from David Graeber‘s bs jobs:


from.. .better to keep slaves busy .. no time on hands to plot to flee or revolt.. to.. you’re on my time.. idleness not so much dangerous.. but theft.. ..this is important because the idea that one person’ time can belong to someone else is actually quite peculiar..

as moses finley observes, any such notion would have to involve two conceptual leaps.. first.. to think of potter’s capacity to work, his ‘labor power’ as a thing that was distinct from the potter himself (buy him as slave understandable.. buy his time not).. and second, to devise some way tot o]our that capacity out.. into uniform temporal containers – hours, days, work shifts.. that could then be purchased using cash..  how could you buy time..?


so how did we get to the situation we see today, when it’s considered perfectly natural for free citizens of democratic counties to rent themselves out in this way..  or for a boss to become indignant if employees are not working every moment of ‘his’ time

first had to involve a change in the common conception of what time actually was

time ness


in places w/o clocks time is measured by actions rather than action being measured by time.. (ie: distance to village.. two cookings of pot of rice)

edward evan evans pritchard speaking of the neur, a pastoral people of east africa: the neur have no expression equivalent to ‘time’ in our language, and they cannot, therefore as we can speak of time as though it were something actual, which passes, can be wasted, can be saved, and so forth.. i do not think that they ever experience the same feeling of fighting against time or having to coordinate activities w an abstract passage of time, because their points of reference are mainly the activities themselves, which are generally of a leisurely character. events follow a logical order, but they are not controlled by an abstract system, there being no autonomous points of reference to which activities have to conform w precision. neur are fortunate..

time is not a grid against which work can be measured, because the work its the measure itself

seat time.. but also.. stop measuring things..

let’s go for ongoing fittingness.. ie: eudaimonia


AJ Juliani (@ajjuliani) tweeted at 4:39 AM – 15 Jul 2018 :
Seneca on The Shortness of Time https://t.co/lnz4vQkZlM via @farnamstreet (http://twitter.com/ajjuliani/status/1018445061804167168?s=17)

Unlike the predictable reaction we have to someone throwing away money (they’re crazy), we fail to think of the person who wastes time as crazy. And yet time is a truly finite, expendable resource: The amount we get is uncertain but surely limited. It’s even more insane to waste than money — we can’t make any more when it runs out!

The Roman philosopher Seneca said it well in a letter to Paulinus:

It is not that we have a short space of time, but that we waste much of it. Life is long enough, and it has been given in sufficiently generous measure to allow the accomplishment of the very greatest things if the whole of it is well invested. But when it is squandered in luxury and carelessness, when it is devoted to no good end, forced at last by the ultimate necessity we perceive that it has passed away before we were aware that it was passing. So it is—the life we receive is not short, but we make it so, nor do we have any lack of it, but are wasteful of it.


Maria Popova (@brainpicker) tweeted at 6:01 AM – 17 Jul 2018 :
“The sense of deep time brings a deep peace with it, a detachment from the timescale, the urgencies, of daily life… a profound sense of being at home, a sort of companionship with the earth.” Gorgeous @OliverSacks read: https://t.co/vpV99VLoHZ (http://twitter.com/brainpicker/status/1019190232258891779?s=17)


whole thread:

Sleepymachine (@dreamysleeper) tweeted at 5:54 AM – 6 Sep 2018 :
Then I went to uni library—surprised: I read & understood decent portions of a few books (totally diff) in 1 sitting! Many hours passed: no ticking clock says I must absolutely be elsewhere. Maybe @davidgraeber’s clock logo’s clear now: in a good day, most hours fall away https://t.co/LgTbBidH5b (http://twitter.com/dreamysleeper/status/1037670363273019393?s=17)

on the need for 7bn people to have the luxury to do whatever they want.. so that we gain (tap into) the energy of 7bn alive people


from David Wengrow‘s what makes civilization:


sacred commodities: the meso origins of product branding

a primary application of the writing system lay in distinguishing between subclasses of products on the basis of their constituent materials, ingredients and labour. labour was itself quantified in standard, commoditized units of timekeeping, from which our own sixty minute hour is ultimately derived



Russell Brand (@rustyrockets) tweeted at 3:32 PM on Sun, Mar 31, 2019:
The clocks changing is such a blatant example of our willingness to be subjugated. I’ve literally just put myself to bed like an obedient little citizen.


Seneca on time via Maria:


What man can you show me who places any value on his time, who reckons the worth of each day, who understands that he is dying daily? For we are mistaken when we look forward to death; the major portion of death has already passed. Whatever years lie behind us are in death’s hands.

While we are postponing, life speeds by.

on hold ness


Michel Bauwens (@mbauwens) tweeted at 7:14 AM on Mon, Sep 30, 2019:
something very radical has happened to the financial system, please listen at least to the first five minutes

25 min video – Keiser Report: Time No Longer Has a Price (E1442)

1 min – stacy: negative interest rates are poison – kohler

2 min – max: interest rate model is dead.. can’t make any diff between diff time values of money.. so this is the end game of monetization and neolib.. we get to watch in our lifetime.. social fall out will be spectacular.. we already see uprisings all over the world getting ready for the global insurrection against banker occupation..

3 min – reading from keiser report: historically banks made money out of time.. if time no longer has a price, because there is no more interest.. t.. nothing can be earned – moneymaven.io.. stacy: so time no longer has value 

earn a living ness

4 min – max: so we’re entering a new post time.. not even post capitalism.. it’s post time.. we’re living in the twilight zone of banking.. time doesn’t exist..t

perfect opp/time – to get back to ie: circadian rhythm of an undisturbed ecosystem

‘in undisturbed ecosystems ..the average individual, species, or population, left to its own devices, behaves in ways that serve and stabilize the whole..’ –Dana Meadows

6 min – max: everything has been securitized and sold forward 20 yrs.. and everything has been consumed.. so now we’re in a dead planet – everything on planet earth is dead because it’s been securitized and we’ve consumed it all ..t

perfect opp/time to try something different.. new/old thinking on the global situation ie: a nother way for 8b people to live

stacy: time did have value.. but we cashed it all in for the next 40 years

not the value humanity needed..  we need to let go of money (any form of measuring/accounting) .. make that our planned obsolescence.. ie: ubi as temp placebo..

the rest goes into neg rates and current money market and bitcoin et al specifics – not deep enough


via maria.. alan lightman’s einstein’s dreams: https://www.brainpickings.org/2021/08/28/alan-lightman-einsteins-dreams/

Long ago, before the Great Clock, time was measured by changes in heavenly bodies: the slow sweep of stars across the night sky, the arc of the sun and variation in light, the waxing and waning of the moon, tides, seasons. Time was measured also by heartbeats, the rhythms of drowsiness and sleep, the recurrence of hunger, the menstrual cycles of women, the duration of loneliness. Then, in a small town in Italy, the first mechanical clock was built. People were spellbound. Later they were horrified. Here was a human invention that quantified the passage of time, that laid ruler and compass to the span of desire, that measured out exactly the moments of a life. It was magical, it was unbearable, it was outside natural law. Yet the clock could not be ignored. It would have to be worshipped. The inventor was persuaded to build the Great Clock. Afterwards, he was killed and all other clocks were destroyed. Then the pilgrimages began.

rhythm of love.. circadian rhythm.. et al


time and space – needed


on hold ness


time/talent/share – sing for gas


time well spent