raimon on all of us ness
raimon panikkar on all of us ness
berners-lee everyone law.. et al
via michel bauwens tweet [https://x.com/mbauwens/status/2117890840471449824?s=20]:
I cannot recommend this book enough, it’s dense, rather short, about 150 pages, but brilliantly deals with the spiritual and material challenge of our time. It’s a spiritual masterpiece and a meditation on time.
Don’t let the title scare you, it simply means ‘holding at the same time’, the trinity of the world (cosmos and life), the divine (the sacred), and the human.
* The Cosmotheandric Experience. Raimon Panikkar.
short summary of the book via google:
Raimon Panikkar’s The Cosmotheandric Experience: Emerging Religious Consciousness proposes that reality is an indivisible, non-dual unity of three interdependent dimensions:
non dual ness – yeah.. any form of us & them.. which to me (warning ness) means any form of m\a\p
- The Cosmic (nature / the material world)
- The Divine (the sacred / ultimate depth)
- The Human (consciousness / anthropos)
Core Thesis
- No separation: God, the world, and humanity are not isolated entities or dualisms, but mutually interpenetrating aspects of the same whole.
aka: thurman interconnectedness law et al .. meadows undisturbed law et al..
- New consciousness: Humanity is leaving behind outdated, fragmented Western dualisms in favor of an integrated, cross-cultural, and ecological awareness.
to me.. this is a cancerous distraction to the dance.. ie: even naming ‘cross cultural’ and ‘awareness’ is too much naming the colour ness for the dance to dance.. the ‘integration’ ness happens on its own when we leave it alone (baan leave law; palmer interference law; et al)
- Relationality: Existence is a dynamic, participatory relationship (similar to the Christian Trinity or Eastern non-dual/advaitic traditions) where the universe becomes self-aware through us.
to me.. this is a huge red flag.. because we can’t seem to let go. of what/how ‘participation’ ness plays out.. and that’s the very crux of why we have not yet gotten to legit freedom (‘salvation’ as raimon wrote).. evidenced by the words ‘similar to’.. when nothing to date has gone that deep.. also.. i think that thinking anything has to be ‘self aware’ is ‘similar to’ a raised eyebrow.. that will eventually (and/or from the get go).. have us looking for and trying to name that ‘self aware’ ness..
notes/quotes from p2p link (under description) in michel’s tweet:
“For Panikkar, the human adventure on Earth *cannot be separated from the adventure of the whole of reality. For centuries we have seen ourselves as superior to the rest of reality, but now we find ourselves in a universe that, **as described by modern science, seems to ignore us completely. Today, though, we are ***starting to realize that “our relation with the Earth is part of our self-understanding”. “Heaven and Earth share the same destiny”.
*yeah that.. again.. any form of us & them.. which to me (warning ness) means any form of m\a\p
**to me this is a red flag this focus will be a cancerous distraction.. gotta let go of all the science scientifically ness.. no matter how ‘modern’ or diff/free sounding
***to me.. if ‘realizing’ and ‘self understanding’ ness.. missing the legit dance.. yes to listening.. and to the labeling part of nonjudgmental exponential labeling.. because imagine a turtle et al.. but i think realize/understand ness are irrelevant s to the dance
Modern culture has been through an “experience of excruciating isolation and solitariness”, but now it is starting to rediscover the interdependence of all that is. “All the forces of the universe… are intertwined”, to the extent that “individualistic souls do not exist: we are all interconnected, and *I can reach salvation only by somehow incorporating the entire universe in the enterprise”. **We must concentrate on “bringing to completion the microcosm that is Man, both individually and collectively: mirroring and transforming the microcosm altogether”, with “full participation in the realization of the universe”. We are called to overcome the dualisms of our habitual, desacralized experience of reality: “the chasm between the material and the spiritual and, with this, between the secular and the sacred, the inner and the outer, the temporal and the eternal”. Every person is “a knot in the net of relationships… reaching out to the very antipodes of the real. ***An isolated individual is incomprehensible… Man is only Man with the sky above, the Earth below, and his fellow beings all around”.
*(this is actually the one quote that made me add this page).. because to me.. this is huge and we keep missing it
findings (aka: the things i can’t unsee) from on the ground ness deep dive and why we need tech w/o judgment
ie: the dance won’t dance unless/until it’s 1\ all of us 2\ legit free
nothing to date (ever since that day) has gotten to that root of problem
legit freedom will only happen if it’s all of us.. and in order to be all of us.. has to be sans any form of measuring, accounting, people telling other people what to do
to me ness.. the rest (like **this) is a cancerous distraction
***beyond the monastic self ness et al
https://www.raimon-panikkar.org/english/XXXIII-2-cosmotheandric.html
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