mes on anarchy and democracy

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C4SS (@c4ssdotorg) tweeted at 0:39 PM on Wed, Sep 16, 2020:
The relationship between anarchy and democracy is storied yet contentious. 

This new C4SS Collection brings together 10 anarchist writers to discuss whether anarchists should support or oppose democracy: (

met several yrs back.. 1st time published in book form..

resonating because just had just read david graeber‘s fragments of an anarchist anthropology and just added david on consensus and f & b & dm same law et al

found a link to a post of the symposium essays: – june C4SS Mutual Exchange Symposium: Anarchy and Democracy – by Cory Massimino | @CoryMassimino jun 2017

which had link to kevin’s.. taking notes here: kevin on democracy – titled – On Democracy as a Necessary Anarchist Value – []


did find one a post from suggested pre readings.. by a group of anarchists: against democracy.. and 2 by david for it

and then a post by moxie marlinspike and windy hart (moxie on democracy): An Anarchist Critique of Democracy (2005) -[]

am seeing both as defining democracy diff (perhaps why one is for one against).. but moxie’s does seem to see the poison/cancer w/in many of the pieces of .. the essence of .. ‘democracy‘..

f & b & dm same law et al

decision making is unmooring us law

direct action


C4SS (@c4ssdotorg) tweeted at 8:15 PM on Sun, Oct 18, 2020:
“Approaching democracy (or markets) instrumentally may be justified to the extent that these institutions make society less violent and more free. Mistaking democracy itself for a free and just society is not.” – @missjessica

Another fundamental difference between anarchism and statism is that anarchists generally think that it is very difficult to justify the violation of a non-liable person’s natural rights, such as rights against force and coercion. For this reason, anarchists think that all people are equally required to refrain from using violence or coercing their compatriots. It is on this point that democrats and anarchists part ways. Democrats think that all people are equally entitled to determine how political acts of violence will be used and whether and when they and their compatriots will be coerced.

people telling other people what to do ness

In ideal theory, collective decisions should be made in ways that minimize the domination of all people and promote openness and human freedom. 

decision making is unmooring us law et al

The question is whether any available institutional mechanisms for collective decision-making could ever approach that ideal.

yes.. a mech that facils curiosity over decision making.. one that undoes our hierarchical listening..

ie: tech as it could be.. to facil 2 conversations.. as infra/org

For these reasons, I don’t know how anarchist ideals, like moral equality and respect for rights, could translate into institutions that approximate these ideals while also enabling people to engage in collective decision-making when collective decision-making is necessary for the protection of those ideals. This strikes me as an essential challenge for anarchist thinkers. 

ie: cure ios city – a people experiment..

we have no idea what legit free people are like.. and so we keep calling it tragedy of the (non) common..

(our) findings:

1\ undisturbed ecosystem (common\ing) can happen

2\ if we create a way to ground the chaos of 8b free people


mutual exchange symposium: mes on anarchy and democracy; mes on decentralization and econ coord; ..

center for stateless society