peter on self ed
education: sum of everything a person learns that enables a person to live a satisfied/meaningful life
fittingness et al
sometimes we get a little snobby and think ‘what i’m interested in .. everyone else should be interested in’.. in self directed ed we realize all have diff interests
self direct – ed: that derives from self chosen activities and life around that.. comes from pursuing life/interest/play.. leads diff people along diff paths
ie: cure ios city
no matter how much schooling you’ve had.. most of what you’ve learned .. for everyone.. has come from self directed ed.. the things you were really engaged in.. not for a reward/punishment (shallow learning)
10 min – self-directed ed (in all caps – as brand): people who have made deliberate choice to pursue sde rather than schooling.. i think it sounds more positive than unschooling.. tells what you are embracing rather than what you are rejecting..
one of big barriers for people doing this.. sounds strange to others.. so constantly having to justify self.. we want it to be more normal to hear this
12 min – drives in our young children towards learning.. ie: curiosity.. naturally curious about things.. can’t stop them from exploring.. doesn’t stop when get older.. esp interested in what they can do with it
15 min – curiosity is drive that leads to knowledge/understanding.. playfulness is drive that leads to skills.. most places we deprive our children of play.. when children free to play (not stuff directed by adults.. often not even around adults) .. how children keep bodies healthy (not by org’d exercise et al)
19 min – on the benes of risky play.. learn to deal with fear et al.. won’t have ie: panic attacks .. when older
21 min – learn language in play.. more complex than in school or with adults.. because really want to communicate
23 min – learn social ness in play.. learn to get along with others.. which is huge.. can’t live w/o others.. more important/vital than reading/writing/math
26 min – all play involves rules.. but most play rules are implicit.. if explicit.. tend to be competitive games – hunter gatherer had explicit rules but were non competitive
30 min – children naturally drawn to tools of culture .. so learn to use them out of that drive.. so of course today.. children drawn to computers
32 min – we come into world wanting to know what others know.. but by ie: overhearing/eaves-dropping.. rather than being told/direct-instruction
primary way people learn by watching/listening
34 min – drive of willfulness.. want to be in charge of own lives.. went thru phase that will full ness was connected to sinfulness.. can’t be slaves to somebody else.. even to our parents.. we naturally resist those things.. terrible 2’s saying no.. that’s a positive thing.. get away from power
36 min – drive of planfulness – can’t play w/o a plan.. watch.. children are always .. setting it up.. ie: plan a way to solve problems et al.. if someone else planning your day.. won’t have that ability later
evidence i’ve gathered for this (bio designed for ed) from survey of anthropologists who have lived in h/g bands.. most egalitarian culture ever found.. ie: don’t have leaders.. don’t make decisions by consensus.. any kind of bossing of somebody else.. just don’t tell others what to do.. and people coop and listen without this bossing around and/or praising.. this applies to children too
43 min – reading ‘h/g don’t give orders/punishment/praise
jean liedloff: ‘idea that this is my/your child doesn’t exist.. no impulse to influence/coerce.. the child’s will is his mode of force’
this means willfulness was valued rather than fought against
45 min – asked in survey – how much time did children/teens/married have for free play – answer was all day.. *became adult when had own kids.. important to play across ages (of children)..
we weren’t doing things because we thought they would be valuable.. but because they were fun
48 min – h/g culture no privacy.. can track each other.. learned by learning hunting.. that they saw adults doing
51 min – kids are studying adults.. to see which ones they want to be like
so that was my study of h/g.. so what happened.. not all h/g were this peaceful.. some farmers had ie: ownership issues; almost obligation to be violent; ..
what really happened was agri.. because then property came in.. have to defend what you’ve planted et al.. as soon as got property.. so entered a world where most people were going to be servants to others.. so can’t have free will .. dangerous.. might be killed.. have to just do what told to do..
property et al
56 min – so goal of child rearing became to suppress free will .. (bible ie’s prov 22:15).. beating was almost a synonym for educating.. to beat free will out of child.. but remember.. if didn’t teach child to be subservient.. children would be at great risk of surviving.. fortunately we’re coming out of this.. beginning to value will ful ness.. but point i want to make.. school’s arose in that culture.. of suppressing will full ness
system crashers (film)
58 min – purpose of protestant schools: 1\ teaching reading.. believing everyone needed to read bible themselves.. even though evidence don’t need to be taught to read 2\ obedience 3\ indoctrination.. so given things to memorize (1642 – massachusetts magistrates schooling.. all about obedience.. kids had to memorize et al)
1:01 – august franke – head of prussian schooling – timed lessons on biblical doctrine.. ‘above all.. break the natural willfulness of child.. youth do not know how to regulate their lives.. supervisors will stifle sinful behavior and weaken willfulness’.. then school taken by states and no longer religious but patriotic lessons.. now we use psych control.. ie: comparison.. we believe it’s more humane than hitting children.. i’m not sure it is..
1:05 – most people who go into teaching aren’t thinking.. i want to teach children to obey .. but that’s the real lesson of school – obedience.. ie: only way you can fail in school is not doing what you’re told to do..
we keep saying.. want to have creative/critical thinkers.. but still in old system.. so can’t create critical thinkers.. no way everybody’s natural curiosity going to be same.. so have to use force.. to learn same things.. can’t use that system.. progressive ed’s try to push that system..
begs we try cure ios city
1:08 – so what would happen if you overthrow the system.. *if you just start with an entirely diff kind of school..t.. ie: sudburry.. where it’s not a fiddling with the system that franke created.. it’s an entirely diff kind of setting.. what i think is a setting designed to be for our time and place.. what a h/g band is for h/g group
*this is our problem.. why we keep perpetuating this broken feedback loop.. isn’t that just as much holding onto the system… ie: h/g didn’t have school.. a formal/adult-org’d grouping of any kind.. i realize we think we need that today because most/all parents at work.. need a place for kids.. but isn’t that a big reason h/g ness worked..? for the dance to dance.. we all need to be together.. in the city.. as the day..
1:11 – once you realize it’s not necessary.. that kids can self direct.. how can you justify depriving children.. micro managed all day long..
1:16 – the idea is not new.. summerhill et al.. but hasn’t taken off.. hasn’t caught on .. but i think now is the time: 1\ increased toxicity of imposed schooling
yeah.. i think it hasn’t taken off.. because we can’t seem to let go enough to make it for all of us.. ie: summerhill et al.. just a gathering of kids.. not a gathering of all ages.. in a big enough space.. ie: entire city et al
children today much more depressed.. suicide rate much higher.. research is clear.. school is driving kids crazy.. but instead where labeling kids when don’t fit/obey.. people finally becoming aware of this.. it can’t be that so many are born with an abnormality
2\ increased evidence that sde works.. and bigger risk to leave them in school
3\ ease of sde because of ie: internet; not violating a norm; et al
can go deeper.. can listen to every curiosity and help facil chaos of 8b free.. ie: as it could be..
4\ fit of sde w modern econ.. we need people who can ask questions that no one else thought of asking.. (machines can do all other industrial ish things).. many sudbury grads are entrepreneurs et al
wow.. no.. have to let go of econ as well.. dang.. ie: maté parenting law et al
1:27 – when we see freedom works.. we choose it.. t
ie: sudbury ness is still managing people in unnatural ways.. still setting certain people in certain spaces.. rather than all of us free.. everyday.. to listen-to/act/be our daily curiosity
haven’t found/listened-to other 2 parts