lord of flies

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Lord of the Flies is a 1954 novel by Nobel Prize–winning British author William Golding. The book focuses on a group of British boys stranded on an uninhabited island and their disastrous attempt to govern themselves.


The book takes place in the midst of an unspecified war. Some of the marooned characters are ordinary *students, while others arrive as a musical choir under an established leader. With the exception of Sam and Eric and the choirboys, they appear never to have encountered each other before. The book portrays their descent into savagery; left to themselves on a paradisiacal island, far from modern civilization, the well-educated children regress to a primitive state.

note: boys had already been *schooled.. so from this story (and much of life today).. we really have no idea how we’d be in a truly free space.. on speculation from observing/judging ie: whales in sea world


By the early 1960s, it was required reading in many schools and colleges

compulsorily perpetuating a broken feedback loop.. false stories of human nature, et al

stories like this make is easier for us to not trust us.. to unquestioningly bow to all forms of control and conditionality, et al


adding page while frustratingly re reading hold on to kids:


lord of flies.. left to own devices.. spontaneously divide into bullies and bullied to point of murder.. the interpretation many have put on the golding novel is that children harbor an untamed savagery underneath a thin veneer of civilization and that only the force of authority can keep their innate brutalizing impulse in check. this impression is reinforced by the proliferation of media reports of kids victimizing other kids.. although it is true that the non presence of adults in children’s lives is a major cause of bullying, the real dynamic involves not missing adult authority but the dearth of adult attachments..

we could fill holes/missing-pieces .. if we let go of control..


in both of these cases we see that bullying among animals followed the destruction of the natural generational hierarchy.. among human children as well, the bullying phenom is a direct product o ff the subversion of natural hierarchy, following on the loss of adults relationships

so .. is it relationships or hierarchy? because i think hierarchy compromises relationships..

in lord of the flies the children are left to their own devices in the wake of a plane crash that none of their caregiving adults survive.

pretty sure the kids.. and the ‘caregiving adults’  – were already pretty entrenched in voluntary compliance (or whatever we want to call it).. ie: not themselves.. not natural..   w lord of flies.. and most of society today.. you’re really looking at whales in sea world – at best

much like run amok ness – and tragedy of the commons ness – i think this is a false story as far as human nature is concerned.. i think we manufactured ourselves to do things like what these boys did.. how they interacted.. and then we ongoingly perpetuate that.. by sharing stories like this to say.. see what happens when we trust people w/o any authority figure.. w/o any structure from above.. et al..


Sisyphus (@Sisyphus38) tweeted at 6:30 AM – 16 Feb 2019 :
“We did everything adults would do. What went wrong?”
Lord of the Flies https://t.co/cz1Zvlw1Tr (http://twitter.com/Sisyphus38/status/1096763651049050113?s=17)


Fabiana Cecin  (@fabianacecin) tweeted at 5:14 AM – 26 Nov 2019 :
You can have 100,000 empty homes in a city experiencing a chronic lack of housing and skyrocketing housing prices, or you can have Lord of the flies — capitalism (http://twitter.com/fabianacecin/status/1199300425394077696?s=17)

or we could let go and trust.. that there’s a nother way

pearson unconditional law


2018 – 1/3 – Peter Gray on self directed ed – on bio design to self ed [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNBxpeyoulU]

1:27 – when we see freedom works.. we choose it.. t

this is the problem.. we’ve never tried true freedom.. so we keep having legit reasons to cry: tragedy of commons; lord of flies; .. et al