m of care – jun 24 24
st vincent.. university of dgi.
[https://museum.care/events/discussion-circles-living-the-carnivalesque-way/]:
DISCUSSION CIRCLES: LIVING THE CARNIVALESQUE WAY
The Museum of Care right after Carnival4David in the wake of his untimely death. The Memorial Carnival4David, which is the founding project of the Museum of Care (and, in turn, the David Graeber Institute), was set up to celebrate David’s life. Since then, carnival has been a recurring topic of the DGI and the Museum of Care’s open educational platform. In this session, we will discuss Carnival as an integrated project, fundamental to almost every human culture with its own unique economic, political, and artistic elements. We hope that the research, co-creation and participation in the actual Carnival will become the basis for collaboration between the Institute and the people of St. Vincent and the Grenadines.
Speakers will include Savitry D https://revbilly.com/about/, John Jordan https://www.artsadmin.co.uk/profiles/john-jordan/, John Phillips https://www.pdt.org.uk/paddington-print-shop/, Clive Russell https://www.whatdesigncando.com/speakers/clive-russell/, Nika Dubrovsky https://www.thersa.org/events/speakers/nika-dubrovsky.
notes/quotes from meeting:
nika: peter sahlins (son of michael) – book about carnival and rights.. best person to frame our discussion
peter: my own interest in carnival go back 1/2 cent.. 70s on collective protest.. started reading about carnival.. ‘the safety valve theory’.. carnival a way of releasing tensions in hierarch society.. then 1\ carnival more interesting than that.. much more subversive.. and alt to hierarch.. about liberation .. baktine 2\ could be safety valve but could also underpin rebellion.. defpending on circumstances.. so i took those lessons to of france to peasants rebelling.. disguised selves as women.. banging pots/pans.. normally used in rituals about mismatched marriage.. so not just about a good time.. entertainment.. but about sovereignty.. and that was david’s great insight in dawn.. carnival as model of sovereignty.. not institutionalized.. but periodic/experimental.. look forward to returning to my youthful vision of carnival as protest and environ et al
nika: exhibition about carnival and war.. carnival (everybody is a mask.. changing social order) opposed to war (dividing selves if kill one killing all)
john phillips: i’m an artist.. occasional student because from diff culture.. worked around carnival for last 40 yrs.. not necessarily about the day.. but about the mask camps.. worked willingly thru out night building masks then went to their alienated work during day.. how we might bring experiences from london to st vincent
nika: what we want here.. fundamental event that unites community.. public space.. rearrange life.. many take loans during carnival and then default on loans after.. if not for everyone.. not carnival anymore.. it’s entertainment
jaan li in chat – [Im tuning in from nyc where I work on nonprofit sauna collectives (floating in the river). My email is jaan@onefact.org and CV is at jaan.io/cv if needed. Both David and Marshall have influenced my work a lot both as a guide to the future and to the past respectively :)]
nika: we want to keep this spirit of open doors.. everyone welcome.. why st vincent is so amazing place for us.. peter wanted to intro project of library w open doors
nika: carnival here is 2 things: music and (?).. so one idea could be preservation and distribution of this knowledge
peter: [on library w/o borders]: been involved s non profit in paris.. l w/o borders.. 27 countries, 35 languages.. deliver cultural resources.. underserved and emergency media kits to refugee camps.. 1 tool has been significant success.. the ideas box.. heavy big box.. if funding could cross fertilize these ideas as mobile resource center w carnival materials.. tools with which they can create themselves.. ie: lot of people start out careers in refugee camps.. Ideas Box by Bibliotheques sans frontiers (Libraries Without Borders) – https://www.librarieswithoutborders.org/about-us/our-organisation/
jaan in chat [We do something similar! We refer people to libgen.rs and use some AI text to speech to help folks with lower literacy (we focus on health literacy)]
comment from st vincent on things happening during carnival but not between them
nika: to me diff between carnival and theatre is there’s no division between audience and participants.. ed each other about diff legacies in freedom and care w each other
nika: in all discussions talk about relationship between govt and people involved
nika: how would it look.. like a museum? (then someone comments on getting it into schools)
jaan via twitter – got notification that he followed me – https://jaan.io/about/: How can we use technology such as machine learning and AI to effect the most societal good? This is what motivates me
to jaan: how we gather in a space is huge.. need to try spaces of permission where people have nothing to prove to facil curiosity over decision making.. because the finite set of choices of decision making is unmooring us.. keeping us from us.. ie: whatever for a year.. a legit sabbatical ish transition
there’s a legit use of tech (nonjudgmental expo labeling).. to facil a legit global detox leap.. for (blank)’s sake.. and we’re missing it
ie: imagine if we listened to the itch-in-8b-souls 1st thing everyday & used that data to connect us (tech as it could be.. ai as augmenting interconnectedness)
earl bennett: got to get young people involved.. so got to get into the schools
nika: looks like we’re off to make a creative text book
another comment from sv on how to make this inviting to young people..
another comenter: general consensus to get young people involved.. but are we engaging them to learn their interests and how they want to learn it.. so how to be more engaging
to me.. engaging ness as cancerous distraction.. like invited vs invented..
but to ie’s for hari rat park law ness..
playground we need: city sketchup ness in the city.. as the day
and cristian buendia fun making obstacle courses/activities in the city w/Mellie:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/M3BgfIxifTo
https://www.youtube.com/embed/5YUUf-PaSq0
https://www.youtube.com/embed/ogBDD0MCTDw
jaan in chat [Thank you for saying that – engaging youth is difficult. We work with this guide for working with youth and adults: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Hk7cpUOKvn3L6KxIKE7Jrs9Qn7YgLvuho49KBP8SK8/edit..We worked with psychologists and therapists and social workers to develop this..I’m happy to help develop something for kids – we have done some research on ethnography in US schools.] (on skimming – doc seems focused on motivation for behavior change)
andris brinkmanis (?) – on carnival for kids
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