graeber anarchism law
if you can’t force people to do things they don’t want to do or they think is absolutely wrong or idiotic.. then you’re going to have to develop a structure of hearing people out.. that’s the only thing i wouldn’t compromise on – David Graeber
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from interview here:
Real Media (@RealMediaGB) tweeted at 5:29 AM – 17 Feb 2018 :
WATCH @davidgraeber on Rojava, Syria, Anarchism https://t.co/9wuRFTXcR9 #DefendAfrin #Rojava (http://twitter.com/RealMediaGB/status/964839185592078336?s=17)2 min – rojava: n syria along turkish border.. 2 mn people there engaged in what i consider to be one of the greatest historical experimentsgrowing up w my background (father in barcelona at time anarchy ruled) .. understood anarchism was possible .. (ie: wouldn’t end up just killing each other) .. but hadn’t been an experiment at that scale.. like what happened in spain since.. because everybody is so terrified as people running things.. being told not necessary..5 min – dual power situation where same guy set up both sides6 min – saying.. can’t get rid of capitalism w/o getting rid of state.. and can’t get rid of state w/o getting rid of patriarchy.. how do you get rid of patriarchy..? make sure all have weapons.. then anyone w gun has power of top down.. overall mech – all women police force9 min – leader (who’s in jail for rest of life.. and only one they show a pic of that’s not dead.. because if show one person who’d alive pic.. not democratic).. says.. think for yourself10 min – army – people’s defense units.. basis is defense.. they always win..
12 min – anarchism isn’t against organization.. it means people aren’t compelled to organize themselves.. they believe in organization more than anyone else
if you have a system where anybody can say whatever they want.. and nobody can be compelled to do something that’s obviously stupid .. you’re going to have to make it common sensical..
ie: consensus system.. no one should have to do something they violently object to
public consensus always oppresses someone(s)
13 min – all i believe in.. is taking that basic principle.. that if you can’t force people to do things they don’t want to do or they think is absolutely wrong or idiotic.. then you’re going to have to develop a structure of hearing people out.. that’s the only thing i wouldn’t compromise on.. everything else is like.. what’s the most effective way to do that..
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14 min – what they did.. if technical – majority vote.. if moral.. then consensus..
16 min – bureaucracy always creeps in.. ie: language.. language always changes.. no language that is same as it was 1600 yrs ago.. why is that..? people like to play around.. but on other hand.. if you tell people they’re doing it wrong they’ll believe you.. this is the fundamental dilemma that makes bureaucracy possible..
18 min – i feel very strongly that compulsory participation in direct democracy is just as wrong as not allowing people to participate
from david is funny:
2:04 – most people don’t think anarchism is a bad idea.. they just think it’s insane..’that would never happen’.. but i didn’t grow up in a family where people though it was insane because they’d seen it work.. so.. if it’s not crazy why not be one.. (host: funny thing is everybody has experience of it working at small scale).. and that’s what i mean by everyday communism.. from each according to their abilities to each according to their needs.. what i discovered at occupy movement is that americans are much better at communism than they are at democracy.. that’s what you do if you’re trying to fix something.. get a task together.. but when it means coming together in large groups and making a collective decision.. no one had ever done that
moxie on democracy – yay