generative value

adding page this day:

via michel fb share

what is missing I think , is the concept of generative value, but I may be wrong , I didn’t read the book.

Who did ? Comments welcome :

“In The Value of Everything: making and taking in the global economy I argue that the only way to fix this dysfunctional economic system is to reinvigorate the debate about value, asking difficult questions that would allow us to differentiate value creation from value extraction, and profits from rent. ”


what do you mean by generative value?

googling generative: relating to or capable of production or reproduction

and from wikipedia: generative music: Generative music is a term popularized by Brian Eno to describe music that is ever-different and changing, and that is created by a system.

which sounds like constant hospitality law: The real generosity of a host is not to invite someone or something to occupy a space, but to invite a transformation of the space.

basically thinking.. can’t be measured/predicted/compared/exchanged.. et al

from p2p site []: “A generative value is a quality or attribute that must be generated, grown, cultivated, nurtured. A generative thing can not be copied, cloned, faked, replicated, counterfeited, or reproduced. It is generated uniquely, in place, over time. In the digital arena, generative qualities add value to free copies, and therefore are something that can be sold.

so.. if can’t be a copy/reproduction.. then can’t be compared.. no? so why are we still trying to measure/define?

from mariana‘s book:

value was gold, then land, then production

so generative as in production not missing

but generative value not remembering/finding..  but again.. i don’t see how we can ever define/capture that..

ie: graeber values law: just as commodities have econ ‘value’ because they can be compared precisely w other commodities, ‘values’ are valuable because they cannot be compared w anything


*if we cannot define what we mean by value, we cannot be sure to produce it, nor to share it fairly , nor to sustain economic growth

*yeah.. i don’t think we can (again graeber values law).. it’s deeper than generative as production as sharing fairly (aka: exchange\ing) as econ growth.. if we think we can define/compare value we’re just spinning our wheels (redoing what we’ve been doing)

the only way i see generative value as two words that can go together.. is if we measure (in order to exchange, produce, et al) neither.. we have to let go if we want the natural ie: emergence of an undisturbed ecosystem to generate value


no answer on fb.. next day this tweet:

Michel Bauwens (@mbauwens) tweeted at 3:02 AM on Wed, Mar 13, 2019:
From Global to Glocal: How to shift from extractive to generative entrepreneurship

i see all 4 as things as laden with assumptions/predictions of things free humans would do..  treating us as whales in sea world .. and so wasting energy on.. which wouldn’t happen if we would let go and trust us .. as an undisturbed ecosystem ie: trust undconditionally the antifragililty/uncertainty/whimsy of 7bn alive people



theory of value

re imagine value report

value in commons econ

generative value