michel on pulsation, tech and cosmo
michel bauwens on pulsation of the commons and michel on cosmo localism
via michel tweet [https://x.com/mbauwens/status/1816005420391227740]:
* Michel Bauwens on the Pulsation of the Commons and Cosmolocalism Podcast via https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/225-michel-bauwens-whats-next-commons-the-pulsation/id1409429787?i=1000658489219…
Episode 225 of the World of Wisdom, hosted by Amit Paul. Full title: Michel Bauwens – What’s next? Commons, the pulsation of the commons, technology and cosmolocalism
“Michel Bauwens is a thought leader and researcher in the space of commons. Also the founder of the P2P foundation. We speak of the state of the commons, dive into the pulsation of the commons, the rise and fall of civilizations, and much more. Michel makes a beautiful argument for why we are currently moving towards a time when communities will again steward commons in ways that has not been deemed efficient for some time and why the state+market structure we are currently in is crumbling under it’s own weight.” 1\
Amit Paul then describes the potential learnings from this conversation:
“We spoke of the commons and oriented ourselves in where we currently are in terms of the rise and fall of civilisations. We’ve progressed through tribal – market – state as fundamental types of civilisation and we are now at the cusp of being able to realise one of mutual collaboration. Michels deep interest in the rising interest of the commons, this time technology facilitated gives space for hope!
yet.. there’s a legit use of tech (nonjudgmental expo labeling).. to facil a legit global detox leap.. for (blank)’s sake.. and we’re missing it
legit freedom will only happen if it’s all of us.. and in order to be all of us.. has to be sans any form of m\a\p
Cosmolocalism as an orientation. Everything that is light is shared. What is heavy should be used locally. This is not what we are doing today in the dominant system. The commons is a way of mutualising and when we mutualise we need less stuff, less complexity and less resources. As Michel puts it: “I’m not sure we’re getting more energy but we are getting a lot more information.”
“If you’re attached to the current system then it’s very hard to be optimistic but if you’re looking at the seed forms[…]” Therefore capacity for vertical transcendence – ways of coping as well as horizontal transcendence – ways of looking to the emerging future is important.
This conversation is absolutely fascinating. It provides a very different perspective of what is also going on right now. I deeply recommend Michels substack and the archives of the P2P foundation where there is a wealth of research and resources to be found. ” https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Michel_Bauwens_on_the_Pulsation_of_the_Commons_and_Cosmolocalism 2\
notes/quotes from 60 min podcast [https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/worldofwisdom/episodes/225–Michel-Bauwens—Whats-next–Commons–the-pulsation-of-the-commons–technology-and-cosmolocalism-e2knitu]:
225. Michel Bauwens – What’s next? Commons, the pulsation of the commons, technology and cosmolocalism – june 2024
3 min – 2003-5 felt like i was more a problem where i was than solution .. took 2 yr sabbatical.. how to change the world.. started p2p.. seed form theory – societies change when not functioning, experimental arena where new is being tested..
4min – what is new today – ability to scale p2p in large groups..t
need: nonjudgmental expo labeling.. because not just about large.. also about deep.. (depth inside each soul – aka: authenticity) and for that need tech w/o judgment to facil seeming chaos of left to own devices ness
5 min – translocal self org – diff allows you to work diff.. and commons as shared resources.. not competitive/extractive.. don’t overuse resource base.. regen..
yet – nothing legit diff to date.. all same song as long as keep using iterations of same data (ie: data from whales in sea world speaking whalespeak)
7 min – pulsation of commons.. over extract/use from state/market.. loses ground .. people go back to commons
8 min – if people wanted to stay in same place had to master nature.. now have to move from immature technosphere (not able to work w nature) to a mature one (able to work w nature).. not civ anymore.. so i look at seed forms for this change
9 min – i’m driven by ideas.. they are alive.. read 7 books so full of insight .. ecstasy.. concepts are really alive.. they matter
11 min – 1\ via ostrom – shared resource maintained by own according to own rules of governance.. so be careful when people say common w/o s.. 2\ for community.. it’s a choice to live that way.. almost everything can be a commons if you want to.. 3\ distinguished from market/states
ostrom 8.. et al
13 min – a real institution w own rules otherwise use another word.. ie: air is a commons.. no.. can be.. but it’s not.. to me.. 3 greatest state of mankind to market and state
14 min – short history on pulsations: commons to enclosure to mutualization for protection..
17 min – important point invention of internet.. people start using it for sharing knowledge.. commons come back thru back door.. then 2008 – lot re org lives by internet.. urban commoning.. huge return of bioregion commons.. to cosmolocalism for production.. light global heavy local
19 min – these are sign posts that we are shifting from market/state to commons/p2p.. the new deal is network with commons.. allows to integrate market and public authorities.. permissionless production/participation that don’t require market/state
so not new
20 min – dao’s etc give form for legal existence et al.. ie: crypto created ability to finance that collective infra
again.. if so.. not new..dao ness.. cryptocurrency ness et al
22 min – i see these all as figurative experimentations
need a legit different experiment
25 min – can infuse ledger (see what’s happening) w market and manage our relationship w nature.. my vision of world/future
26 min – (on tragedy of commons and bad jobs and greed)
27 min – tragedy of commons is misnamed.. actually tragedy of uncommons.. t
as long as any form of m\a\p.. still whac-a-mole-ing ness of tragedy of the non common
stopped there for now
30 min – balance between corp and individual profit has gone out of whack.. that’s what we need to survive.. ways that freely adapt to each other
no legit freedom until we let go of any form of m\a\p
33 min – (on value creation.. thru econ lens.. a lot of things in econ are not creation but just make it look like we created something)
35 min – before c value standard was land.. shifting from commodity to contributory.. need to integrate this in larger value set.. ie: value sovereignty w/in peer community
michel on network sovereignties et al
50 min – we need to lower the energy and use info to make energy a lot more efficient.. t
ie: self-talk as data as global detox.. so that 8b people grok enough ness.. graeber stop at enough law.. until we detox.. all will keep being/perpetuating tragedy of the non common
55 min – (machine reduces variation, life maxes it).. on seed forms
57 min – where the small pockets are that survive/thrive in the chaos..t
how we gather in a space is huge (to that antifragility)
need: spaces of permission where people have nothing to prove.. and nonjudgmental expo labeling.. to facil the seeming chaos of 8b legit free people (that left to own devices ness)
ie: whatever for a year.. a legit sabbatical ish transition
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next tweet about book of same ish title [https://x.com/mbauwens/status/1816034555859759199]:
Giving you a foretaste of my upcoming book, via the ToC: Introduction
The first part of this book compiles a series of foundational essays that explore the intricate dynamics of peer production, the pulsation of the commons, and the shift from commodity-based value regimes to contributory value regimes. These essays lay the groundwork for understanding the emergent cosmo-local order and the transformation of societal coordination from an exclusive reliance on markets and states, towards more substantial peer to peer coordination in open commons-based ecosystems.. Chapter 1: The Political Economy of Peer Production Peer production, characterized by collaborative efforts and shared resources, represents a fundamental shift in the way value is created and distributed in society. This chapter delves into the mechanisms of peer production, examining how it contrasts with traditional capitalist production and the potential it holds for creating a more equitable and sustainable economic system. Full text of the article “The Political Economy of Peer Production” Chapter 2: The Pulsation of the Commons and the Emergence of a Cosmo-Local Order Section 2.1: Historical Cycles and the Commons The concept of the commons is not new; it has historical roots that span various civilizations. This section explores the cyclical nature of history and the recurring emergence of commons-based systems in response to crises. Full text of the article “The Pulsation of the Commons and the Emergence of a Cosmo-Local Order”
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