m of care – dec 4
Our December 4th Reading group will start with 1st part of Dubrovsky and Graeber’s essays, “Another Art World: Art Communism and Artificial Scarcity.”
This text is not about an Art or an Art World, at the end: who cares about it, except for the privileged few?
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1331549859283947525
nika dubrovsky and david graeber‘s art world – p1
from link – (to tweet on adrian)
@adrianbowyer Wealth without money manifesto https://reprap.org/wiki/Wealth_Without_Money… 4-11-2020 at the Museum of Care zoom meeting at 20:00 London time:
from wealth w/o money link:
I have no need to buy a spare part for my broken vacuum cleaner when I can download one from the Web; indeed, I can download the entire vacuum cleaner. Nor do I need a shop or an Internet mail-order warehouse to supply me with these things. I just need to be able to buy standard parts and materials at the supermarket alongside my weekly groceries.
The self-copying rapid-prototyping machine will allow people to manufacture for themselves many of the things they want, including the machine that does the manufacturing. It is the first technology that we can have that will simultaneously make people more wealthy whilst reducing the need for industrial production
gershenfeld something else law
but we can go deeper.. we can go sans money (any form of measuring/accounting)
Our tonight agenda, reading group and @adrianbowyer
20-00 London time ..our usual zoom address..Everyone is welcome
Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/nikadubrovsky/status/1334834096263065601
from link – (agenda):
We will open our reading group with an introduction by Adrian Bowyer, who invented and created the machine RepRap 3D printer and the international community that develops and supports it. RepRap aims to control the means of production, not only to the proletariat but to everybody. There is no need to appropriate or collectivize the means of production. Let’s give it away: everyone has to have a personal self-replicating factory.
again – gershenfeld something else law
but sans money (any form of measuring/accounting).. and with augmenting interconnectedness – so that we waste less (even if the machines are eating it back or whatever).. and come together more.. ie: 2 conversations as infra
notes/quotes from meeting:
yash – hosting – 43 people at start – then to 48 for most of call
clare updates on press work.. on getting to key points et al for the spokes people
clive updates on anthropology for all sites et al – 1\ temp site will be an aggregation of all of david & nika’s work 2\ m of care site – working on user experience for that.. will host all m of care rooms.. w discord (?) .. and allow for others to create own.. et al 3\ use anthropology for kids for ie of site – w what is a museum – one of books
clive on task based working system – replace roles w tasks.. all valued the same cost.. 160lbs/person for 8 hrs work per day.. then on total monies and how dispersed.. beginning of each task.. must agree to fulfilling what it entails.. otherwise hand over to someone else.. then on mentors getting 1/4 cut.. obviously based on trust
(dennis) on residencies – possible renovation work on fire island.. et al
30 min in (housekeeping to this point)
gabi – on getting a task based meeting
focus.. zap energy
nika: 15 yrs ago i interviewed him.. part of his ideas definitely influenced me and the article david and i wrote.. a way to integrate m of care and rip rap
adrian: retired engineer used to be academic at uni of bath.. given 1/2 m lbs to spend on equipment and i was told to spend it.. i bought a couple 3 d printers.. uni had none at time.. i’d known about this tech for 25 yrs but never used it.. suddenly apparent to me they were quite extraordinary..
adrian: back further in time.. i’ve always been interested in self reproducing machines.. w 3d printers.. for first time humanity had that opp.. so set up to make a 3d printer to print more copies of self..
adrian: decided to open source.. so nobody had exclusive rights.. then found.. if have self reproducing.. have to make it open source.. otherwise.. spend rest of life in court of law because was made to copy self.. crazy to try to protect that
adrian: 3 yrs (2008) had first machine capable of making all plastic parts that went into that machine.. about 60% of whole machine.. then need to make rest of bits of machine widely available.. so anyone could copy and make for self
adrian: original 60 000 lbs.. copies under 600 lbs.. once info out there various co’s started doing that.. pretty much every 3d printer in world is a descendent of that original one.. but better..czech has biggest company
adrian: don’t need machine.. can have friend print parts for you.. so my work here is done.. nowadays spent on applications of machines ie: used to solve the housing shortage for crabs.. 3d shells
adrian: on printing face masks.. many 1000s doing 4-5 a day.. faster than conventional industry.. when conventional industry kicked in .. they could do more.. but couldn’t start as fast as 1000s
nika: political question –
adrian: marx was of coursed w more than anything else the means of production.. was mostly by govt/corps.. exception to that.. agri.. only industry based on things that copy selves.. co’s are big – exxon et al.. but biggest production is of food.. surprising that biggest industry doesn’t also give rise to biggest co.. my hypothesis.. because entirely run by people concerned w things that reproduce selves.. ie: wheat, cows, et al
adrian: ease of getting involved in beginning prevents monopolistic ness
mechanism simple enough for 8b people to access/use today
adrian: something that’s un interruptible and don’t have to have a bloody revolution to achieve it.. so.. means of production given to people w/o people having to use force to acquire them
matt schultz: one thing monsanto does is trying to make their product reproducible..
adrian: w/rip rap.. people can circumvent all this unnatural restriction
adrian at 1:49 – on plastic used for machines.. being less from oil than you’d think.. ie: from starch.. so self reproducing raw materials used to manufacture
yash: one question from chat.. how this fits w m of care
adrian: we’ve done things w conventional museums in past.. w reproducing exhibits/artifacts
adrian: in general tech that is versatile at making virtually anything.. give me ie’s of things you currently want to do that involve material objects that would be difficult to do
gabi: can it make clothes
adrian: can put cloth into machine and print plastic on it
gabi: bean harvesting machine..
adrian: problem there is software not hardware.. can it tell diff between leaves et al..
adrian: making child’s sandals.. out of milk bottles .. then recycle when the child outgrows them
adrian: people start doing work for selves.. industries die.. so more robust.. less reliant on central source
adrian: on printing meds – not directly.. but can make chemical synthesis machines.. so making mini labs making smaller amts of meds for the individual.. and in europe.. not in us.. can manufacture patented things if for personal use and not resale..
adrian: on printing money and credit funs.. difficult.. because encrypted chips for credit.. money.. made difficult to copy.. so conventional money no.. but tokens.. yeah
nika: i think we’re trying to achieve much the same of you.. the situation when everybody is an artist.. so don’t need market anymore.. because market needs scarcity and if no scarcity .. eliminates market
adrian: 3d printing turns everybody into a sculpture.. takes tech element out of it.. then talked on music and painting via machine.. so as far as production of works/arts.. don’t need talent just concept.. good thing.. plenty of people have good ideas.. yet only subset have tech ability to produce used conventional instruments.. computer will mediate that as long as you have the patience
? is that the point.. i think that might be a focus you’re declaring because we have no idea what legit free people would do
i think what’s unsettling is spinning wheels/*mtgs/time/energy on ie: self reproducing machines rather than on self reproducing people .. and trusting that (8b legit free/alive people) to then take care of everything else.. like elizabeth was talking at end of m of care – dec 5 – about learning from students – who quickly org’d mutual aid.. we’d do that ongoingly (and even better because less issues in first place).. if we could first focus on getting back/to and undisturbed ecosystem (8b legit free/alive people)
*non consensus consensus.. aka: voluntary compliance et al.. is killing us.. keeps putting us on hold et al
1\ undisturbed ecosystem (common\ing) can happen
2\ if we create a way to ground the chaos of 8b free people
gabi: don’t want to be art residencies.. but collective things.. that can be replicated and create community.. so we were thinking to have your project involved in this..
adrian: you can do that .. it’s open source.. i’m running it .. except ever since it started i haven’t been running it.. so nothing to stop you adopting it.. it runs itself.. because enough people have been intereste/involved to take it in a bunch of directions
adrian: then on 3d printer being bad for making weapons..
gershenfeld something else law et al.. weapons irrelevant
yash: we’ll keep discussing 10 more min.. so many good questions
popular consensus? meetings.. ugh
2: 21 now.. no reading group..? just all on stuff that’s been known/available..
adrian: on interoperability w all other things esp humans.. ie: machine needs human to work it.. what incentivizes human to reproduce on machine.. so a stable relationship..
oi – incentives et al.. as red flags
yash: so many questions.. so reaffirm that this is going so well
public consensus always oppresses someone(s)
maybe do reading groups as separate.. or maybe i just don’t fit here