daniel (w) on tech

A Cyborg’s Choice: Singularity or Sustainment? – may 2017 – by daniel wahl – [https://designforsustainability.medium.com/a-cyborgs-choice-singularity-or-sustainment-2312f4020f37]

after daniel (w) on regen & self org and 3 responses (daniel (w) on eyes of world, daniel (w) on complexity, and daniel (w) on whales).. i started to dm:

i did listen.. and am reading links you sent before i respond.. thank you

quoting him: ‘are you saying we are *not emergent properties of the dynamic nested complexity of life as a planetary process? … and I don’t get your **reference to whales … fyi I studied marine mammals in the wild ***not in captivity and that’s 30 yrs ago’

*just saying not in an undisturbed ecosystem.. so not ‘emerging‘ naturally **originated from carol black quote that i’ve called black science of people/whales law.. her direct quote ‘collecting data on human learning based on children’s behavior in school is like collecting data on killer whales based on their behavior at Sea World.‘ ***yeah.. so i guess i’m being that ridiculous.. to say .. (to me) nothing to date has legit been in the wild.. (to me) all the ecosystem is to some degree disturbed.. from people who truly believe they are free/natural.. to scientists with very clean/appropriate labs.. to whales in the wild.. we’ve already disturbed the natural emergence in all the spaces..

his 2nd response (1st response here: daniel (w) on (non) natural):

and this one looks at tech through that lease (from 2006)

notes/quotes from 28 min read link:

As biological organisms, who depend on healthy communities, ecosystems and a healthy biosphere for our continued existence, human beings are inextricable participants in ecological and social process and therefore part of nature. So does it really make sense to regard any human creation – high technology included – categorically as ‘un-natural’? Should we not regard nature as the bigger envelope that contains and is partially expressed through humanity, culture, and technology?

whichever.. (language as control/enclosure).. (to me) at least ‘nature headed for dead end’

the dichotomies of ‘humanity and nature’, ‘technology and nature’, ‘mind and matter’, ‘self and world’ are not real per se . They are the result of metadesign. These dichotomies result from the use of a dualistic, rationalistic, materialistic epistemology – modernity’s most common mode of perception and conception – the analytical and classificatory consciousness6 that separates subject and object, the observer and the observed, into dualistic categories. 

interesting.. i definitely don’t see them as separate (which is what most of this piece is about).. dualistic.. binary ness et al.. and so.. (to me) that means all are disturbed.. headed toward dead end (in your language)

embodiment (process of) et al..

Bateson wrote: “The individual nexus of pathways which I call ‘me’ is no longer so precious because that nexus is only part of a larger mind.”

gregory bateson..

Albert Einstein tried to express the same realisation when he wrote:

“A human being is part of the whole, called by us the universe. A part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separate from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. The delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affections for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.”

beyond the monastic self.. i’m never just me et al

The most fundamental changes that will facilitate the emergence of a sustainable human civilisation will be changes in awareness, value systems, and worldviews. Such metadesign changes take place in consciousness. They transform human identity and intentionality and thus cause downstream transformation of how we design and use technology. Changes in product and process design will occur in response to, and simultaneously cause further, changes in metadesign. A sustainable human civilisation will be characterised by an *expansion of our ethical horizons to a worldcentric or kosmocentric ethics.

and (to me) .. that expansion is about going inside ourselves.. and so (so me) .. need 1st/most: means to undo our hierarchical listening to self/others/nature

ie: tech as it could be

Addressing poverty, inequity, and education are issues central to creating more sustainable societies, but not the focus of this paper. While facing these challenges, all of humanity has to assume co-creative responsibility for how human design and technology are shaping our world and affecting how and who we are. 

i’d say they are acting as cancerous distractions.. if everything is everything.. the core is deeper than those.. not to mention them being symptoms..

Our awareness depends on how the metadesign we employ interprets and influences the experience of the coming-into-being of being. Joined-up, holistic thinking, and the wisdom of many minds, based on multiple epistemological and ontological perspectives integrated through dialogue, can facilitate more inclusive and integral decision making in order to guide appropriate participation and ethically informed action.

sounds to me like what i’m imagining would happen if we listened to the itch-in-8b-souls 1st thing everyday & used that data to connect us (tech as it could be.. ai as augmenting interconnectedness).. sans that last red part.. need: curiosity over decision making.. over appropriate participation et al

The Latin root of the word *design, designare, means to name, to categorise, to order — or simply to designate meaning. The materialistic, mechanistic, and rationalistic ordering of experience that reveals reality within the ‘framework’ of our scientific/ technological worldview and culture is a **valid and powerful map of reality. Technology and reductionistic sciences are empowered by a particular epistemological perspective and basic ontological assumptions. They result from, and simultaneously create, a particular way of being in the world.

(to me) *this and **this leads to dead ends.. validation et al

We need a culture-wide dialogue about the ethical implications of design and technology!

nah.. we just need a means to listen deep..

Appropriate actions are best informed by multiple perspectives.

don’t like the word appropriate.. but to me.. itch-in-the-soul is better driver/informant/sustainability et al

‘in undisturbed ecosystems ..the average individual, species, or population, left to its own devices, behaves in ways that serve and stabilize the whole..’ –Dana Meadows

The scientific, technological perspective offers just one of many epistemologies and ontological foundations that could contribute insights to a more inclusive and appropriate decision making process.

again.. who decides what’s appropriate? ..

and as i said in previous responses.. decision making is unmooring us.. or in your language.. dead ending us

Most people are unaware of the fundamental organising ideas that structure their daily experiences, worldview, and value system, thereby shaping their aspirations and intentionality, which in turn affect our actions and designs. Nor do we see how the artefacts, processes, and categories we create based on those foundations have, in and of themselves, creative agency. This is the result of confusing the map with the territory, what Peter Russell calls the consciousness of an unsustainable civilisation.

ok.. so maybe another term you use that sounds like what i mean for non legit.. non natural.. unsustainable civilization.. although (to me) .. civilization ness is already unsustainable.. a dead end.. et al

In the face of rapid technological change, we have to act immediately, despite uncertainty and unpredictability, and begin to chart an ethically sound path across a constantly shifting terrain of environmental and social change.

need to try tech as it could be.. ai as augmenting interconnectedness.. for (blank)’s sake

A widespread and open dialogue about what visions of the future we regard as appropriate ethical, aesthetic and ecological choices will almost certainly lead to an entirely different application and awareness of technology. Such a dialogue is a prerequisite for the creation of sustainable lifestyles and a culture of sustainment. 

(to me).. dead end.. (to me) we’ll keep dialogue ing same song.. whalespeak.. (appropriate participation et al) until we get out of sea world.. aka: global re\set/detox


and now ..seeing tweets show up.. seems so like language as control/enclosure.. (intimidation via pomposity of sorts).. 1st two questions.. so loaded