first intro’d.. probably via amanda palmer.. now lots of people i know use it


ceo/cofounder Jack Conte talking about it (in 2017):

TED Talks (@TEDTalks) tweeted at 5:00 AM – 5 Feb 2019 :
Payment platforms like @Patreon could change what it means to be an artist in the digital age.


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Patreon (/ˈptriɒn/) is a membership platform that provides business tools for creators to run a subscription content service, with ways for artists to build relationships and provide exclusive experiences to their subscribers, or “patrons”.

Patreon is popular among YouTube videographers, webcomic artists, writers, podcasters, musicians, and other categories of creators who post regularly online. It allows artists to receive funding directly from their fans, or patrons, on a recurring basis or per work of art.  The company, started by musician Jack Conte and developer Sam Yam in 2013, is based in San Francisco.

In return for the service, Patreon charges a commission of 5% for each donation and 5% in transaction fees, thus allowing the creator to get 90% of the donations


super for now.. ie from Jack in his ted: it’s like having a salary for being a creative person

but still believe there’s a better way.. ie: sans money..  otherwise spending too much of time ie: crowdfunding .. panhandling.. elevator pitching..

kickstarter ish.. but ongoing


been adding things to amanda‘s page on patreon ness.. ie:

Amanda Palmer (@amandapalmer) tweeted at 4:53 PM on Sun, Oct 15, 2017:
about to write/record another new song using the patreon. for this next batch of songs, i’m releasing the results to patrons only. JOIN

selling self.. shouldn’t have to happen


exactly. and this is what you get when art meets capitalism. INSANITY.


When I worked at a gallery people would get SO upset with me over the prices like? Don’t buy it if it upsets you so much?

insanity.. that we keep playing this made up money game..

we now have the means to not.. we have the means to facil curiosity.. rather than measuretransactions/art/us..

ie: hlb via 2 convos that io dance.. as the day..[aka: not part\ial.. for (blank)’s sake…]..  a nother way

on mother:

Amanda Palmer (@amandapalmer) tweeted at 4:23 AM – 16 Nov 2017 :

{thread}. this is about a lot of things, so bear with me. first of all, i’ve never seen a more overwhelmingly emotional & respectful high-five reaction & from my community for *anything* i’ve made. so thank you. but something is really freaking me out: (

in my entire career, i’ve never heard such silence from the press. a few of my personal allies covered this video (thanks @xeni and @hollycara) but despite doing my usual press-release to the US and UK the day this video came out, the non-response has been deafening…

…and i’m like: is it me? is it the video scaring people? are there really no journalists anymore, like some of my writer friends have been telling me? is it really possible to make a project so massive and not even get a mention from a single music blog? it’s so WEIRD…

and i find myself thinking: what if i didn’t have the patreon? i would be FUCKED. i have never believed more than NOW that my community is becoming the Media Itself and that i have to turn my fragile-ego-self away from the idea that the press is going to validate my hard work…

…and how ironic, given my vide & all of trump’s hatred of the Fake News Media. but maybe it’s like the death of anything dear. maybe we have to collectively grieve the death of Old Media and celebrate whatever is taking its place, and make that thing work.

in closing: facebook is strangling my reach, the media won’t alert you, i’m not on a record label. so if you want to support me, there is only one channel left to assure i can still work and connect and survive, and it’s the patreon. please, join.

so if over 11k isn’t enough.. then this won’t be for everyone.. there’s got to be a nother way.. where anyone/everyone can do their thing.. and not spend energy asking for support.. thinking it’s time to take that leap .. now.. for (blank)’s sake

Amanda Palmer (@amandapalmer) tweeted at 5:55 AM – 16 Nov 2017 :

to the 100+ people who have joined my patreon since the video came out: thank you from the bottom of my heart. it means everything to me.

Amanda Palmer (@amandapalmer) tweeted at 5:58 AM – 16 Nov 2017 :

there’s one solution: revolt & find new channels of communication. they planned this. artists/musicians/writers have worked for years to amass these communication networks & FB has simply waited to cash in & capitalize. not their fault. profits first. but we don’t have to play.

perhaps we don’t have to play the money game at all.. a nother way

Amanda Palmer (@amandapalmer) tweeted at 5:58 AM – 16 Nov 2017 :

thank you. it’s going to be more and more important as the internet becomes less free.

Amanda Palmer (@amandapalmer) tweeted at 5:45 AM – 17 Nov 2017 :

yeah…it’s not a tip if there isn’t a minimum wage underneath. it’s more like the minimum wage, actually. do you ask people to patreon you w/o patreon ing them back..
and then.. same song second verse english accent little but worse

Replying to @amandapalmer

It’s kinda funny, because if the average Joe has to make a choice between giving AFP a donation or one to me, he will pick me. Because it’s assumed that I need it more. So their big earners will leave. Then the smaller ones, because we follow the big boys.


i do have quite a few people say “i am leaving you because it seems like you have enough dough and i’m gonna go support the smaller artists” in my exit surveys. which is GREAT. crowdfunding should be transparent and democratic. i applaud those people. they’re getting it.


perhaps let’s try/code money (any form of measuring/accounting) as the planned obsolescence

ie: ubi as temp placebo..