m of care – oct 23
via zoom (only last part) oct 23 –
18 there – (nika; nhu le; mark fuller; matt schultz; robin taylor; john w fail; soumik pal; ora tapovok; ben aaron ; christophe; clive russell; gabi zinha; tj; kevin;.. )
nika: how much a free space where not obligated to do anything
spaces of permission .. with nothing to prove ness
christopher on money – fund unconditional income w money creation.. like a permanent jubilee
need to go deeper.. ie: sans money (any form of measuring/accounting)
graeber mechs to hear law – as our means to org – rather than money
otherwise.. graeber grant law et al
nika – can we do the fundraising in the same way (paraphrase).. plug into existing system w/o compromising ourself
try/code money (any form of measuring/accounting) as the planned obsolescence w/ubi as temp placebo.. needs met w/o money.. till people forget about measuring (the measuring ness is poison from the get go)
nika: we also need to think why do we need money and for what.. where is the (need for) money coming .. actually small donation once/year.. don’t need it as much.. money is not money at all.. people are not using this money.. rich people aren’t using their money.. they’re using it to get more rich
matt: on time bank ness.. trading bank could be an interesting aspect
yeah.. if you want to circle right back around.. any form of measuring/accounting killing us
nika: yeah time banks.. we can use that for sure
clive: blockchain allows a ledger to tally tasks.. allowing people to do bits of work whenever needed..
oi.. please don’t tally tasks
john: beautiful to do an analog blockchain
christophe: maybe invite people to write articles.. to collect a lot of ideas.. i don’t have a lot of ideas..
nika: yeah.. you are working full time on ubi..
nika: group about fundraising is about creating the rules.. how much can we avoid the existing structures.. maybe we can create a diff way for relationship
nika: ok that was the money part..
clive: if trying to reimagine.. need to reimagine backwards
nika: on group working with kids.. and group working w older people.. museum of care should be working on this breach
has to be all of us.. dancing
nika: on the need to break into smaller groups to address each issue.. how to keep that and this bigger group.. how should it be
meetings ness is keeping us in tragedy of the non common
clive: create models by working together.. blueprints.. and then give it away.. none of us can
what we need is to just jump in (not have meetings about it)..
ie: 2 convers as infra
graeber model law.. hari rat park law.. et al
clive: none of us can say what others need.. need foundation right.. then plays diff in diff places (paraphrase)
yes.. need infra deep enough so that no people are telling other people what to do .. so infra needs to be based on something deep enough to resonate w 8b people today.. ie: maté basic needs
nika: i don’t understand how to navigate between local/global meetings.. so maybe doing some writing these ideas.. (tj seems to be in charge of this organizing ness)
tj: yeah.. if we had some sort of mailing list where we could discuss these things
this is the key issue.. that will keep this from legit freeing people up.. and you’ve briefly hit on it above.. that we need to model this other world as we’re starting this other world
revolution in reverse.. graeber model law.. et al.. otherwise.. spinning our wheels
this is all what i’ve been experimenting with the last 10 plus yrs..
1\ undisturbed ecosystem (common\ing) can happen
2\ if we create a way to ground the chaos of 8b free people
ie: a nother way