gabor and yanis on healing
gabor maté and yanis varoufakis on healing..
Gabor Maté and Yanis Varoufakis | HOW TO HEAL FROM THIS TOXIC CULTURE | Podcast 4 – may 2024 – 47 min video from eye of storm series
notes/quotes:
first time to meet up in person.. followed each other’s work for many years
2 min – g: something colonialist about branding holocaust as unique.. it was horrendous.. but ie: belgians killed 10 m congolese 50 yrs before but nobody talks about that..et al.. those things are sanitized in history.. it’s a .. who suffers and who doesn’t .. specializing the holocaust while ignoring the mass killings all over the world.. outsourcing guilt to palestinians..
5 min – y: no point in creating a hierarchy of traumas.. the reason i call it unique.. what astonishes me.. naziis had to get everyone.. that’s never happened before.. beligians wanted minerals wealth.. they weren’t killing them instrumentally
7 min – g: i agree w you in that sense.. my main point is in justification.. using holocaust as justification for what’s happening
g: in myth of normal i talk about social factors on health.. study in greece.. stress of young greece lower than normal.. had been exhausted.. major risk for later on.. politics and social factors have such a huge impact on health.. so in greece.. what happened there psychologically when people gave up hopes/dreams. how does system maintain such control of people’s thoughts et al
9 min – y: before 2015.. we had a *quadrupling of suicides as result of loss of hope.. it’s not poverty.. t.. that’s part and parcel of greek condition.. **it’s the substantial and very fast loss of means to reproduce one’s life that drives people to mental destruction..t
*great phrase/ie that we keep organizing around surface needs (food, housing, et al) rather than deep/essential needs (authenticity, attachment, aka: maté basic needs)
**ie of us focusing on symptoms (all those other things you just described as substantial and very fast losses.. ) rather than roots of healing (a&a)
need bachelard oikos law via sabbatical ish transition
11 min – y: in command of most bankrupt state in the world.. i was a problem.. in his way..
12 min – y: to be in parliament.. pieces of legislation that were 1000 pgs long.. impossible to read.. so nobody did.. only way they could vote in favor was not knowing what they were voting for
utopia of rules backwards et al.. fuller too much law et al
13 min – g: ‘govt is disappointed in people maybe they should elect diff people’.. the ideological control.. people could see thru it.. here in west people think they’re free.. but living in matrix.. think free but totally controlled..
and the more we keep trying to name the colour.. the blinder to that we get
15 min – y: father used to say when in prison camp.. he knew if our side had won civil war .. he’d probably be in same concentration camp w diff guards
16 min – y: in my book technofeudalism.. my hypothesis is that reinforcement learning ai driven algos which live inside our laptops.. cloud capital (huge server farms connected w fiber).. as distinguished from railways et al.. algo capital to produce means of behavior modification.. does all sorts of things that machines (that produce things) could never do
technofeudalism.. yanis on technofeudalism
maté trump law et al
18 min – y: what cloud capital does.. arrest attention.. like tv used to.. inputs things into minds.. like ads used to.. but does it in two ways.. 1\ like old.. gets you to go buy mcdonalds 2\ you train it to train you.. then sells it to you with huge rent (amazon).. and with your likes you replenish their capitalist power..
21 min – g: it’s also so confident of its control .. to allow you and i to talk like this.. but not worried that it’s going to make any diff
deeper.. to me.. talking is cancerous distraction.. need a nother way
22 min – g: *the toxicity of the culture is that it’s not designed to meet human needs..t it’s designed to meet needs of those in control.. that imposes certain conditions 1\ inculcates a certain psychology of passivity ness.. so motivated to act not according to our needs but according to desires inculcated to us by system.. for that happen from early in life have to be disconnected from gut feelings and from self.. from in uteral onwards.. ie: pregnant women who are stressed.. et al.. and way we raise kids.. less less security.. more more isolation.. competition.. those ideologies and ways of being actually make people physically sick.. suppression of self has physiological implications
*that’s it.. right there.. need 1st/most: means (nonjudgmental expo labeling) to undo hierarchical listening as global detox so we can org around legit needs (a&a)
maté basic needs.. missing pieces.. maté parenting law.. et al
24 min – g: look at major factors that promote stress.. loss of: control, security, agency.. more prone for illness.. very nature of system functions to disempower people to have them pursue needs that are not real needs.. but desires ingrained in them.. that makes us sick.. t
that’s the eye of the storm.. the root of healing.. and we keep missing it..
ie: there’s a legit use of tech (nonjudgmental expo labeling).. to org around legit needs
25 min – last year.. in n america.. more americans died of overdoses.. twice as many.. than died in vietnam, afgan and iraq wars put together.. these are not individual problems.. they’re the outcomes of a system.. that’s why i call it toxic.. it poisons people
27 min – y: (explaining 4 phases).. that’s why so much demand for your profession
but they (all his phases) are all based on non legit needs.. just on symptoms.. oi.. and talking like this all just happened recently..
intellectness as cancerous distraction we can’t seem to let go of.. there’s a legit use of tech (nonjudgmental expo labeling).. to facil a legit global detox leap.. for (blank)’s sake.. and we’re missing it
31 min – y: now people volunteer their serfdom
again.. rather.. always have.. voluntary compliance et eal
32 min – r: in your book.. on emphasizing authenticity.. what do you think role of anger is in this
g: we’re wired for anger.. a boundary defense.. suppressions of healthy anger is a risk factor for mental/physical illness.. messing w immune system.. so healthy anger is important.. maintains the boundary.. that’s essential on the political level.. because on that level.. things done to people all the time.. unhealthy anger takes over brain.. not healthy at al.. need to distinguish: 1\ healthy anger 2\ repression of anger 3\ rage where suppressed anger comes out
35 min – g: resistance really is a form of healthy anger.. it says no you will not do this to me.. and resistance is breaking out of individualistic mindset.. my suffering is part of larger suffering.. and to break out have to join others.. restores that communalism.. ie: occupy wall street.. temp feeling of joy.. emotional liberation 1\ having a just cause 2\ belonging.. in that sense.. resistance.. just as body needs to resist invasive materials.. on a social scale
but re ness is cancerous distraction when have means for global detox leap.. for (blank)’s sake.. a different way out.. together.. ie: a nother way
37 min – y: it’s why i’m involved in politics.. it gives me joy.. being involved in activism politics is a path to genuine eudaimonia.. but let’s face it naziis also had this
not genuine eudaimonia\tive surplus if any form of m\a\p
38 min – y: the trick for being joyous thru collective action is to see the whole of humanity.. of which you belong.. and to be able to enjoy successes of anyone.. that is the key to genuine happiness.. not making a moral pt.. making a pt of what works.. to leading life of filling potential
39 min – g: eudaimonia.. joy that comes from sense of meaning/contribution
yeah.. i think we have that wrong.. i think meaning and contribution would be irrelevant s to legit free people.. so when we focus on them they become cancerous distractions to legit eu\daimon\ia
40 min – g: as for being a failure.. if going to have a conscious in political sphere.. going to lose all the time..
41 min – r: role of spirituality in all this.. have to find a way to close gap between spaces of politics and spiritual..
g: gaps you mention are more illusory than real.. it’s all one.. gaps are created by own ego/separation.. realizing they are illusory and self created is crucial.. ie: so many great psychologists/teachers et al not speaking out about gaza.. spiritual to me is the one ness.. in my bones i know it
44 min – y: was not into spiritualism.. but deep lover of music.. i forget who i am.. when music is finished.. i feel serene.. if that’s spirituality.. that’s everything.. having capacity to appreciate humanity not just your tribe.. how stupid racism/nationalism is.. for me.. music is the connection
46 min – r: if don’t manage to close gaps.. don’t see way forward
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