Under U.S. law, conservatorship is the appointment of a guardian or a protector by a judge to manage the financial affairs and/or daily life of another person due to old age or physical or mental limitations. A person under conservatorship is a “conservatee”, a term that can refer to an adult. A person under guardianship is a “ward”, a term that can also refer to a minor child. Conservatorship may also apply to corporations and organizations.

The conservator may be only of the “estate” (financial affairs), but may be also of the “person”, wherein the conservator takes charge of overseeing the daily activities, such as health care or living arrangements of the conservatee. A conservator of the person is more typically called a legal guardian.


adding page while watching netflix britney vs spears (via erin lee carr – director/filmmaker and jenny eliscu).. at 24 min they define conservatorship .. and i’m thinking.. this is just structural violence; supposed to’s of school/work; voluntary compliance.. so adding the page.. (also of note.. i read some bad reviews of doc.. have no idea about any of that.. am just adding because of the resonation to our universal conservatorship):

24 min:

w the f is conservatorship – (typed in google search)

tony chicotel (conservatorship attorney): a conservatorship is a legal process for taking somebody’s ability to make their own decisions away from them and giving them to some 3rd party.. aka the conservator.. or in a lot of states it’s the guardian

the whole structural violence thing.. but also via making people think they are making decisions for themselves.. aka: decision making is unmooring us..

tony: obviously any process to deprive someone of those liberties/freedoms would be something we’d want to impose very *rarely.. only as a last resort.. having tried/exhausted all other alts

*ha.. obviously this is widespread.. includes all of us.. ie: people telling other people what to do.. it’s everywhere..

and so .. we are all ill.. we need to get back/to curiosity over decision making in order to heal

25 min – tony: some people have called conservatorship the tantamount to a civil death

yeah that.. just death.. no need for the word civil.. that’s actually part of the poison

killing us from the get go

tony: there’s conservatorship of the person which is allowing someone else to make your decisions related to your personal affairs.. they lose the ability to decide.. **anything related to their healthcare

*socrates supposed to law et al

**that happens from the get go.. we don’t let people’s bodies talk to them.. we feed them with poison.. then decide.. we need healthcare.. (which thrives on profit.. et al)

tony: so their ability to provide or withhold informed consent for treatments.. including drugs.. is taken away from them

again.. after they’ve been drugged from the get go..

tony: and in many cases they lose their right to decide who they’re going to visit with.. receive visits from.. they lose their right to communicate w people of their choosing.. over the phone/computer

again.. this is the premise of sea world.. britney’s case just magnifies it.. maybe..

tony: for the conservatorship of the state.. which often goes hand in hand w conservatorship of the person.. they are no longer in charge of any of their money.. theoretically even the $10 they might have in their pocket

any form of m\a\p.. killing us from the get go

26 min – erin lee carr: (on jamie having on money problems so guy appointed to help him.. in docs it said): this conservatorship should be viewed more as a hybrid business model.. if declarant performed the same services w the sam results in a business setting his fees would have been in the millions of dollars

according to docs.. conservators can enter.. take possession of house.. kick people out.. use restraining orders.. place security guards.. can use money to pay attorneys for legal matters.. they can open/operate businesses.. hire people for just about any imaginable position necessary and pay them using funds from the estate

37 min – tony: conservatees have no right to a lawyer to rep them

38 min – tony: we have very particular standards for conservatorship.. you have to be unable to meet your needs for food, clothing, health and shelter..

we need to org around legit needs

so let me put it this way.. i’ve rep’d dozens of conservatees in court.. not one of them has ever had a job (then someone else on britney being functional and working)

49 min – andrew gallery (cinematographer for doc – for the record): took 30 people to org for her to drive her car for 30 min to feel free.. that’s how she gets to feel free.. the whole thing is f’d up

50 min – andrew (reading letter): on her spinning out of control after kids taken away.. and how any mother would do that.. she would love for new eyes to see her situation, but if she brings it up, she’s constantly threatened that the conservators will take her kids away.. so how long does this go on for.. as long as the people are getting paid (3million at that point) and she has no rights.. it could go on for a while.. but it doesn’t make it right at all (letter was response to article coming out).. then letter turned into a big thing.. and that was the end of the letter.. he kept a copy.. just to not take the original.. i just felt bad for her.. all she wanted to do was respond to an article.. i didn’t work for her much longer.. we were maybe too close.. too much trust.. shortly after that.. i got removed.. i don’t think i’ve spoken to her since (2008).. she had met my friends.. come into my life.. it was sad to think she was going to be alone again..

1:22 – e&j talking on the B ness of the process.. all the paperwork and nothing changes.. j: how do you get out e: you don’t get out.. until you scream

fuller too much law et al

same day i watched doc.. jamie suspended. after 13 yrs


maté parenting law

graeber parent/care law

supposed to’s of school/work

voluntary compliance

structural violence

et al