rhizo14 w2

find intro, multiple accesses, and all 6 weeks here:

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rhizo w2 edit

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[link to p2pu image below for link for w2 unhangout.. thurs, jan 23, 530pm mst]

p2pu w 2

and link to doodle for alternate (because of time zones) un un hangout.. so simply a hangout?

doodle for unhangout



4 min in.. sounds like compromise to partial freedom is no freedom (that i’m not sure we can afford)

can we make people dependent/free if you have an agenda.. ? ie: can we force independence within the system? (maybe defiance.. but not the kind of independence that breeds community/interdependence… ?)

i think anytime you make people (d0/be) things.. those things don’t last.

and.. if you are in the position where you feel you need to make people (do/be) things.. perhaps we need to ask if it’s really needed/necessary/humane…?


as posted in fb:

Lou Northern
My head is spinning already with the Enforced Independence theme of Week 2. Enjoyed Dave‘s intro VT, particularly the subtleties around ‘course’ and ‘community’ (and being honest about where power lies). Love that the ‘scheme of work’ is changing and developing, out of the discussions.Is this ‘course’ also ‘action research’?I can recommend @sensor63’s blog as a shot in the arm to start the #‎rhizo14 week http://tachesdesens.blogspot.fr/2014/01/they-get-it-eventually.html
touches of sense…: They get it eventually.
Dave Cormier INteresting connection to action research. They are certainly related in the sense that they both distrust central expert driven authority and have critical theory background.


learning chaos (source included in link)



the it is me

i’m never just me

interdependence, interconnectedness, rewiring for interconnectedness


love this share..

The Power of Networks – Manuel Lima

via http://francesbell.wordpress.com/2014/01/22/the-perils-of-rhizomatic-learning/

also will share a shortened version of her rhizome overview ish:

  • any point of a rhizome can be connected to any other, and must be
  • only when the multiple is effectively treated as a substantive, “multiplicity” that it ceases to have any relation to the One
  • a rhizome may be broken, but it will start up again on one of its old lines, or on new lines
  • a rhizome is not amenable to any structural or generative model; it is a “map and not a tracing”

also love her take heed ness:

Falling into the tendency to think about rhizomatic learning within formal educational contexts.


Deleuze & Guattari

links to pdf


in fb thread on rhizome vs connectivism.. via dave:

I will say that George tends to see the objective as tending toward objectivity and I tend to see that as a false path. This is where the theory becomes really helpful. D&G talk about lines of flight. Imagine a network model in your head. It has dots and lines and the dots and lines all connect to each other. It’s tidy. This is how I see connectivism. When I think about rhizomatic learning, I see lines unconnected to dots, and dots without lines. I see things that people believe that contradict themselves. It’s very messy.

As for ‘where rhizomatic learning fits in educational theory’ questions generally… I don’t think a purveyor of a given story (or theory, if you like) should be the person to decide where it fits. I had an argument in wikipedia 3 years ago with a guy about rhizomatic learning (for an entry i hadn’t entered) and realized that if there wasn’t a sufficient number of other people to argue with him (and his arguments were REALLY annoying to me) than I should leave it alone. If it becomes important to other people, they will place it, with less bias than I would.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rhizome_(philosophy)#what.3F

  • Dave Cormierhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rhizome_(philosophy)… I shouldn’t have looked at it. Made me grumpy again
  • Sarah Honeychurch That sounds like a challenge for us to do
  • Dave Cormier  I didn’t mean for it to come out that way… but I guess maybe I did… It’s hard to know. That’s been bugging me for a long time
  • Sarah Honeychurch Whether you meant it or not it is a good challenge. I also realise that I looked at that page and hated it, and my supervisor also said it was shite. Hadn’t looked at the comments page before though
  •  Keith has the nicest touch on that subject of anyone I’ve read. Super nice guy too. Might be a nice project to try and fix the description and make it human readable.
    Dave Cormier It explains a great deal, if you already understand it. I’ve often thought that Keith Hamon should rewrite it. He does such a great job explaining things rhizome.

i’m all for clearing up and ongoing editing.. because i think that models how learning is rhizomatic.. that ongoing re-ness. we’ll never be done – ness…no? (bernard shaw) but i’m also for being ok with others not understanding… until they really want to. or have experienced it enough to put in their own words. or question it rather than debunk it – just because they don’t understand. all the dance. no? it’s like the stream that made Dave grumpy again.. is just modeling the disconnected dot.. and line.. ness.

information vs knowledge ness


on the 3 characteristics of social labs (social, experimental, systemic):

..perhaps more than anything else, together they represent integrity and honesty—they are not what we want solutions to look like, but what we have found they actually look like when effective.   – Zaid Hassan

more from Zaid:

This banishment of messy and potentially embarrassing emotions is one hallmark of the expert-planning paradigm.

koan ness


Madhura Pradhan on fb:
I find it ironic that people talk about their qualifications and researches and their ability to read and understand critical theory when that is not the aim of this uncourse at all. As long as everyone “gets” the generic meaning of it, all is well and we progress as a community. How everyone reaches to the end is immaterial. If you get the theory without reading it, you have cheated brilliantly.


posted on fb

Penny Bentley ‎Rhizo14
Just to change the flow of conversation a little, I came across this video in the G+ #‎rhixo14‬ community. Improvisation, an interesting word in the edu context. If we are too structured with lesson design & delivery is Rhizomatic Learning stifled? What if we relax a bit, go with the flow and foster independence in our classrooms? Is improvisation part of Rhizomatic learning?
a space to realize the ability you already have
great video – added to improv\e page


terry elliott on rhizo

none of us are free

invited to exist


post by Bonnie from 2011:

bonnie on rhizo

These rhizomatic learning lenses are not intended to make you see more clearly, per se, though you may or may not come to that conclusion about their effects. Rather they are intended to make you see differently.

It’s also profoundly self-replicating: we become subjects of the system in school, and then subject others to the operations of the system we’ve come to see as natural and right.

So long as our lenses on learning are actually focused on schooling, we replicate the same colonizing systems. Even where we try not to. Even online, where we don’t have to.

Which is where rhizomatic learning and the new pair of glasses come in.

The rhizome is not a way of tweaking the systems we have.


hidden curriculum

no agenda

i keep hearing Krishnamurti talking about the ego ness we bring – even as parents – in love with our children…


antoine sea quote

and to realize their here\ness


find intro, multiple accesses, and all 6 weeks here:

rhizo14 d