ashton on measuring ness

ashton keys on measuring ness

via michel bauwens tweet [https://x.com/V1rtuousCycle/status/2115149607508623722?a=MXT0G6IRGl8Wk8Q68y0&s=20]:

Replying to @mbauwens and @ProtocolSociety

We covered this topic here btw: (links to this video starting at 1:21 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewm8LVJksxs&t=5088s]

notes/quotes from 90 min video:

Addressing The Issues and Criticisms Posed By Content Creators + AMA [Part 3] (2026)

1:22 – we don’t promise to align econ system w eco health.. you can.. easy to do .. once you can measure something you can align it

but if measuring.. if any form of m\a\p.. no longer alive/common\ing/organism as fractal

1:22 – society protocol is definitely a commons

oi.. commons in sea world

1:23 – we don’t believe we can prevent corruption.. but by making people better people.. we can actually prevent a lot of the corruption.. we can’t change the human nature of corruption.. but what we can do is .. you have to realize that once you change the incentive structures behind society you change the actual people.. by changing those incentive structures we can change the people.. into more aligned/virtuous people.. ultimately comes down to keeping traits of their history.. when people’s history are traced together in a single ledger they become more accountable to each other..

oh my.. incentive ness et al.. still a form of people telling other people what to do

so.. same song

1:25 – on living forest ness.. unless we have a way to measure that.. we can’t include that in the system.. society protocol allows you to measure more things.. we just give people the tools to do this .. we don’t judge how they value their forests.. but we do facil the allowance of this which no other system can do.. giving capabilities to measure all these things so they come together..

these were responding to michel’s [https://x.com/mbauwens/status/2102020295271796955?a=S0jWaDI4JkZ2UgObVgw&s=20]:

Thanks to @ GamilyLife for this critique of the @ProtocolSociety Proc approach, but I’m not sure their system is exclusively designed for market approaches.

The way I understand SP is that their Value Functions can be designed by any community, i.e. they are neutral as to the different forms value distribution may take.

Am I right about this, dear Aston Keys, @V1rtuousCycle ?

“The essay you linked argues for a “society protocol” that attempts to align economic incentives with ecological health. The people building these frameworks argue they are creating a new kind of digital and physical commons. They believe that by codifying rules into code, they can prevent corruption and reward people for planting trees, cleaning oceans, or conserving land. However, your critique exposes the structural flaw in this logic: the moment you turn a planetary process into a token to be traded, it stops being a true commons.

and.. any time you measure.. any time any form of m\a\p.. ie: incentive ness.. telling people what to do ness.. measuring things ness..

* The Trap of Commensurability: To trade something, you must make it standardized. But how do you standardize a complex ecosystem? ReFi often reduces a living forest to “tons of carbon dioxide equivalent.” This abstraction ignores the biodiversity, the indigenous history, and the unique local reality of that land.

* The Logic of Infinite Growth: If these protocols rely on DeFi (Decentralized Finance) tools like yield farming or liquidity pools, they remain tethered to the requirement of financial returns. A system that demands compound interest or financial growth will eventually place that demand back onto the physical Earth.s logic: the moment you turn a planetary process into a token to be traded, it stops being a true commons.”

again.. any time you measure.. any time any form of m\a\p.. ie: incentive ness.. telling people what to do ness.. measuring things ness..

findings (aka: the things i can’t unsee) from on the ground ness deep dive and why we need tech w/o judgment

ie: the dance won’t dance unless/until it’s 1\ all of us 2\ legit free

nothing to date (ever since that day) has gotten to that root of problem

legit freedom will only happen if it’s all of us.. and in order to be all of us.. has to be sans any form of measuring, accounting, people telling other people what to do

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