intro’d to permaculture (the development of agricultural ecosystems intended to be sustainable and self-sufficient) via Hans way back when..

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Permaculture is a system of agricultural and social design principles centered on simulating or directly utilizing the patterns and features observed in natural ecosystems. Permaculture was developed, and the term coined by Bill Mollison and David Holmgren in 1978.

It has many branches that include but are not limited to ecological design, ecological engineering, environmental design, construction and integrated water resources management that develops sustainable architecture, and regenerative and self-maintained habitat and agricultural systems modeled from natural ecosystems.

Mollison has said: “Permaculture is a philosophy of working with, rather than against nature; of protracted and thoughtful observation rather than protracted and thoughtless labor; and of looking at plants and animals in all their functions, rather than treating any area as a single product system.”


adding page the day intro’d to David.. via convo he was having with Bruce Pascoe.. on becoming indigenous again..

aboriginal: indigenous

Jay (@thejaymo) tweeted at 7:28 AM – 31 Dec 2016 :

Land Cultures: Aboriginal economies and permaculture futures Land Cultures tells the story of the day…


ways to perform economy outside the banker’s realm..

bruce pascoe (

9 min – it was an incredible bit of science and agriculture.. and yet this country knows nothing about it.. 220 yrs of academic research.. and no one can say what that grass was that they were growing.. great’s a grass.. no one knows of..

..this is an absence of scholarship

12 min – sir thomas mitchel.. in his journals.. rode thru villages.. remarked on how 1000 diff houses and everyone diff.. grace of their design and the bounty of food growing on food/walls..  he had also though aboriginals.. were hunters gatherers.. yet kept finding villages..  growing grains.. et al..

iwan baan ness..

14 min – he (sir thomas) req’d for this land for what it was.. but no one else..did..

15 min – i read about .. bread.. 3 yrs ago.. and i wondered who else had made bread before that.. wikipedia acknowledged egyptians as first people on earth to make bread.. 17 000 ago.. 15 000 yrs after.. one of our women…  and it’s probably older than 32 000 yrs.. so the chances at finding oldest in australia in first try..

16 min – so.. the profs that told me i could mention agriculture and aborigenee in the same sentence.. had set me a challenge.. and as i turn the pages of these history books.. i had tears in my eyes.. because i was finding aborigenee tools to fight this argument.. there’s nothing wrong with being a hunterer/gatherer.. but the truth is.. we were not mere h & g’ i was thrilled to find these references.. thrilled to debunk idea as hapless wanderes..

17 min – that insistence on our country in perpetrating this lie is to justify possession of the land.. if you can argue back to your own people in england.. back to own govt in australia.. that aboringinee people aren’t doing anything with the land.. they’re not sophisticaged enough to use it.. .. then they don’t deserve it.. and nothing.. is further from the truth..

21 min – we flog all our streams.. we think it’s justified by farming… but surely.. there’s a % has to be left in the river.. this is not don’t have to be plato to work this one out.. you don’t have to be terribly smart to realize that rivers should have water in them.. we owe it to the land to be a bit more gentle.. and aboriginal people had the tools for that.. we’ve still got them.. and they can still be applied..

david holmgren (

25 min – dates to first discussions with Bill in 1974… but when i read Bruce’s book .. it still was a bit of shock.. the manipulation of bio materials.. landscape.. et al.. rediscovering what was known from the beginning..

27 min – of course it was the legal fact.. under our common law.. that those who worked the land.. did have some rights.. under our law.. so the denial that people were working the land.. was a very deliberate and necessary process for legal dispossession..

31 min – on selection disappearing..

32 min – on aboriginal ecosystem in top layer.. when that’s gone.. left with what’s called the bush

33 min – so .. the landscapes we have are nothing like they were.. the redevelopment of some of the indigenous food plants.. to sustain.. is a long term project.. we’ve got to rediscover the strains.. and do that selection… important tasks.. but won’t be done by the avg farmer.. this year..

35 min – ie: the vision of how we would select trees … a very slow project

37 min – is it cultural appropriation for me to be planting these plants.. everywhere in the world.. permaculture acknowledges indigenous and traditional people as the big source for what we need to do in the future.. *but not in the way that we need to exactly copy it in exactly the same place because the world has changed.. those soils are diff.. **all the cultures of the planet have been scrambled.. we are dealing w/1000 broken jigsaw puzzles.. of which we need to take pieces that we think might be useful.. and ***head over the horizon to a future we don’t know..

*chaos ness from Jim‘s doc..

**the need to listen deeply to every voice.. now.. to now..

***begs we leap.. (for (blank)’s sake…) a nother way.. where we can listen to all the voices…

38 min – where we have to again.. become indigenous

like the apple tree.. becoming indigenous

39 min – we all need to become indigenous.. and help with the process of rediscovering of what’s been lost…